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    Attn: Canberran CS members

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    Hi. I need your help. I need someone to show me exactly what a good espresso shot should taste like. I do not like espresso at all, I think its rancid, but I love a good cappucino/latte. After watching Paul Bassetts instructional DVD, Im pretty sure my techic is OK, but after trying an espresso after making one, it tated terrible, but that may be just me, as I said, I hate espresso. But in order to make a good cappucino, I need to make good espresso.
    Thats where someone here comes in. I need a reference point in espresso making, so at least I know what a decent espresso should taste like, regardless of weather I like it or not. But I need this to be done on my Machine or someone elses Sunbeam EM6900. So if you are willing to volunteer, I can come to your place with my machine, or you can bring good coffee beans to my place and go from there!!

    Cheers,

    Simon

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    Re: Attn: Canberran CS members

    Skamp,

    I dont like straight espresso either and am usually a cap drinker, mainly cause I like the challenge of getting good microfoam. However I have found that I quite like a Macchiato which is an espresso with a touch of milk. I find the milk takes the edge of the espresso but I also get a better indication of true bean quality than the milkier cap. As the only coffee drinker in the house I am always making double caps for myself due to the use of a double filter. This has over time increased my tolerance to stronger coffee and led to the Macchiato as a good alternative. You might find the Macchiato as a good starter.

    Matt

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    Ive heard this before & find it very interesting, because I actually find that the OPPOSITE is true for me....

    and that is, I find a well made espresso / ristretto is smooth & inviting, and a macchiato is quite off balance and not in the least inviting, due the tiny amount of milk injected (that is, a macchiato does not contain enough milk to smooth the coffee right out, but has just enough (milk) to upset the espresso...........!

    Just goes to show how we are all individuals with different likes & dislikes.

    Regardz,
    FC.

    PS, Skamp:

    If you are basing your dislike of espresso on that which is produced with the EM6900 - and if this is the new sunbeam that *apparently makes coffee & steam at the same time, then I have to say that the espresso produced with this machine is not necessarily representative of a regular espresso because the coffee filters are much (read MUCH) larger than standard.

    This makes for stronger brew than standard commercial and in fact the last time I checked, the SINGLE filter on that model held the same quantity of grinds as a regular large DOUBLE COMMERCIAL filter (and before anyone argues please, myself and a fellow CSer weighed this up with an accurate scale).......so if I was using this machine I would place its SINGLE filter in the group handle with the double outlets at the bottom, and pour into 2 espresso cups.

    Taste one of those, and I guess it will give you an espresso that is more representative of the standard.

    This is only a personal idea of mine, but if the machine were mine I would use its standard single filter as stated above as a "double" filter and make 2 coffees with it, and I would never use the "double filter" it is provided with as I do not like coffee stronger than it needs to be particularly when properly made "standard" espresso is already strong enough for me...and that said, I am not looking for strength but *smoothness*.

    Hope this helps.

    If you want to come in, I will make you a proper commercial espresso on my commercial training machine and I will also give you the same beans to use in your personal set up free oc charge, so you can compare.

    Regardz,
    FC.



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    Thanks for the reply. I just recently bought a 7g filter from coffee parts, so i guess im making shots as they should be made. But like I have said, unless I know what an espresso is supposed to taste like, and Im aware that there many different tastes and styles, its hard for me to truely know if im doing everything as good as I can possibly do with this machine.
    The one I tried 2 hours ago has still left me with a bad taste i my mouth.

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    ok conversely Im actually not fussed on the small (7 gram) single filters either....dont reckon they extract well....theyre actually too small for our market where a) we generally make "bigger" coffees, and b) where we use different varieties of coffee than those used in the "mother" country..(err that would be Italy in terms of it being the "mother" of espresso style).

    In any case look my preference is to use the standard commercial 18 gram double filters, and when I make a coffee for myself, some other lucky member of my staff or family benefits by getting the other half of the extraction. So my ideal is an espresso that was made with around 9 grams worth of grinds, after which the variables you need to watch out for are
    a) type of beans you want to use
    b) dosing the filter properly
    c) grinding the beans to suit a) & b) to get a perticular result you are happy with.

    d) I tend to tamp harder, and use a slightly coarser grind, to get the result Im looking for, which as stated in previous post is to get

    e) SMOOTH coffee, not palate wrenching coffee.

    Generally speaking, those that havent sorted their technique (in terms of the above) get strong BUT NOT smooth coffee, then in order to try and make the brew more mellow, they coarsen out the grind, and the coffee then proceeds to get worse instead of better........... so

    f) as a general rule of thumb, we say that if you are making strong horrible coffee, but you think that the quality of the beans is good, then in order to smooth it out you need to make the brew STRONGER, possibly by making the grind finer, where eventually you will get strong but SMOOTH coffee...and if you go too far you will overextract markedly and get strong burned taste instead.

    Really, you are asking for a level of espresso brewing understanding that takes a great deal of experience to obtain.....

    Hope this has been of some help, regardz,

    FC.

    Oh and one other thing. One of the greatest sources of confusion amongst home espresso fiends is the so called 25 ml in 25 seconds "rule" (or whatever derivative of this rule people have heard of). This kind of "rule" is only A GUIDE and should not be taken as definitive, or gospel or literal, so please if you are doing this, put away your stopwatch and let your tastebuds tell you whats going on. It might be that for a particular type of beans, with your machine, with your overall technique and your individual expectation etc, that you get nice tasting coffee and it was a 20 second pour...or a 30 second pour...or whatever. Again, this is governed by experieince, not by having an expensive stopwatch!

    Good luck,

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    Thanks for your advice today FC, and the beans I bought today are great, the beans with "bourbon" in the name.

    And at least i know that my taste for espresso is not from my bad coffee making, but a pure dislike for black coffee. But time will tell, I may aquire it!! :)

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    Re: Attn: Canberran CS members

    Good to meet you this arvo, apologies couldnt spend more time but.....

    glad you were able to find what you needed to know. and yes, the Daterra Sweet Collection is a beautiful coffee.

    Cheers,
    FC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1147069502/0#6 date=1147164848
    Good to meet you this arvo, apologies couldnt spend more time but.....

    glad you were able to find what you needed to know. and yes, the Daterra Sweet Collection is a beautiful coffee.

    Cheers,
    FC.
    I agree wholeheartedly FC- I had the opportunity to grab some last year and loved it....Hey Andy- what chance we could get some for the June polls?

    C

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    Re: Attn: Canberran CS members

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1147069502/0#6 date=1147164848
    Good to meet you this arvo, apologies couldnt spend more time but.....

    glad you were able to find what you needed to know. and yes, the Daterra Sweet Collection is a beautiful coffee.

    Cheers,
    FC.

    Is that the really marzipan Daterra? Drool ...

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    Re: Attn: Canberran CS members

    Hi guys

    I was at St Ali on Sunday and grabbed some Daterra Sweet Collection just out of the roaster and it is a wonderful coffee. All the coffee I had there was first rate.

    Andy, any chance for a poll?? Pretty please??

    Dan

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    Re: Attn: Canberran CS members

    Yeah! Its pretty spesh stuff....Ill have a box if we can get some ;)

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    Re: Attn: Canberran CS members

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    Skamp,
    While only a relative newbie, Id be happy to have a taste. PM me with details if youre up for it.

    Boris



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