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    Where to buy coffee beans in Melbourne?

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    Hi guys,

    Ive bought a La Pavoni professional, which is great fun, and I am enjoying. Im currently exploring my way through the different beans at Jaspers, on Brunswick St. I also know that Lygon St has a coffee shop (Grinders), and the Vic Market sells beans too. Obviously my criteria is first, quality, then if that is the same, price!

    I see you all participate in the market for green beans - I think I would like to go into this too but for the time being, I need pre-roasted beans.. How fresh are roasted coffee beans usually? And how long do they keep after being roasted? About a week I have read.. The beans that I currently get grinded at Jaspers seem amazingly fresh. Its like coffee is a food that goes stale in about 2 days. But in bean form, I take it buying from Jaspers once a week is not too tragic. The problem is, they only sell 250g bags minimum, and I dont have a grinder just yet.

    I have two questions for you all:

    1) Where do you buy good pre-roasted beans in Melbourne?

    2) Where can I buy a Rocky, at a decent price in Melbourne, so that I have a place to return it to when and if it ever breaks.

    I have a tamper coming from Greg Pullman, looking forward to getting it!

    Im just working all this out..!

    Thanks a lot!

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    Re: Where to buy coffee beans in Melbourne?

    Hi Andrew,

    Ive been in touch with the Jaspers guys and they seem geniunely passionate. Problem is that every single time that I have tried their coffee it has tasted decidedly stale. Not as tragically stale as supermarket coffee, but probably a week or two past it. But you probably cant actually notice this if you are getting your coffee preground.

    If you are going to Jaspers in Brunswick st, you might want to cross the road to Cafe Atomica. Their espresso blend is a darker roast, that may or may not strike a chord with you, but it is always fresh enough to be in the zone when you buy it.

    There are only two places that I keep going back to for coffee. One is St Ali (http://www.stali.com.au/), which is a micro-roastery/cafe run by a really passionate guy who decided that he was going to really push the boundaries. Just ask the staff for their recommendations. If you like a sweeter, north-italian style of espresso, the Daterra Reserve is really impressive, but they always have heaps of great single origins and a bunch of blends. The second place that I keep on ending up at is Veneziano Cafe (www.venezianocoffee.com.au), who are a much larger commercial roasting concern, but always maintain freshness. Theyre just around the corner from my house, which is very convenient for when I have forgotten to roast!

    Cheers,

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    Hey thanks so much for the reply - what great advice! Ive seen atomica, but never quite worked out that they sell coffee by the bag!

    Looking forward to trying St Ali for sure, and veneziano too! Interesting that Jaspers seem stale to you, cant wait to try something really fresh!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew link=1153372832/0#2 date=1153383857
    Looking forward to trying St Ali for sure, and veneziano too! Interesting that Jaspers seem stale to you, cant wait to try something really fresh!
    Yeah, but if youre getting it preground it is all going to stale up in about 5 minutes, so it might be difficult to notice that much difference. Perhaps it would be worthwhile bringing along your own airtight containter to seal the stuff into. The real "oh my god, this is so fresh, cant believe Ive been drinking that stale garbage" moment comes when your grinder arrives ;P

    Cheers,

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    Andrew

    First welcome to CoffeeSnobs.

    Second, listen to what Luca wrote he really knows his stuff.

    Before I started home roasting I got my beans from The Coffee Company on Balaclava Road. They have a massive range of beans available at any one time (like 20ish) but it can sometimes be there downfall (sits around too long). If you ask which beans have been roasted recently they will tell you. They also have a range of machines & grinders so I am sure you can pickup a Rocky there but I believe they are a little more expensive than other places. While you are there, walk down the street a few blocks to Batch and order a coffee they will give you a good idea of what fresh coffee is like.

    Welcome to the journey that is coffee..

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    Welcome.

    There are a number of "cliches" in the dcoffee game and they seem to describe things quite well. So with regard to your question about how long the freshness of coffee beans lasts, here is the "three" rule:

    a) raw/green coffee beans (under ideal conditions of storage / humidity *etc) can at optimum about THREE years or seasons after picking, after which they will slowly go down the hill..... In any case the best roasters (or roasters that buy the best quality raw beans) specify "current crop" which means they buy raw beans picked in the immediate/past season.

    b) roasted coffee beans (under ideal conditions of storage, properly roasted, etc etc) can last about THREE weeks at their best after which they start the journey down the hill....

    c) coffee grinds last any multiple of THREE be it say 3 minutes, or 30 minutes or three hours or whatever under ideal conditions of storage before becoming well and truly oxidised / stale and going very quickly down the drain.....

    There you have it...the THREE rule!

    With regard to your other questions....

    a) I dont think anyone in here is going to begrudge me (as a professional coffee roaster) saying that I prefer clients support the COFFEE ROASTING industry rather than some in the CAFE industry who are encroaching into the roasting industry, so if you are going to venture into South Melbourne I reckon you ought to check out Cottles....a professional roaster of many years standing.

    b) You can buy a rocky on just about any street corner in Australia..."common as dirt" so to speak. My own company imports them direct, is the original Site Sponsor of this excellent coffee Forum, and if you have a mind to buy mail order and wish to support someone that supports the site with a wealth of advice, you can contact me off line. Service is available everywhere...not that you are likely to need much of it as the model is extremely resilient. If instead you wish to buy one in your own local area thats just fine.......youll have to let your fingers do the walking then get in the car and go get it!

    c)....I dont know...oh yeah...regarding the comments re Jaspers. I dont want to buy into making comments about other coffee merchants, so I wont.....what you as an individual should do is buy what you like from whom you like. Given Jaspers & Atomica are right across the road from each other, you could try buying the "same" coffee from both and doing your own comparison. Suggest you dont do this until you have your own grinder and can adjust according to account for the natural differences between the "supplies". Its not strictly fair at all to do this (ie just because its called the same name does not mean its the same grade, or from the same plantation / season / container / batch lot etc, or roasted in the same kind of equipment in the same way ON THE SAME DAY by the same roaster or subject to the same conditions of storage after roasting etc etc etc...) however you might be interested to see if you can discern any appreciable difference. It wont mean a thing, because it could be the opposite way around on the following week due to all the variables I just outlined!

    Just go with what you like and the supplier you like............

    Buy the grinder pronto, or you are wasting time as well as the money invested in your brewing equipment that wont work properly until it is fed with properly ground fresh grinds from a good grinder.

    Oh and d) Unfortunately the tendency in special interest coffee forums like this can be to make things far too complicated. Just buy fresh roasted coffee around the traps and settle on a supplier you like (for whatever reason) , and stick to him (or her). Simple really. Ah sorry,,,, I think I just repeated myself!

    All the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1153372832/0#5 date=1153393919
    Oh and d) Unfortunately the tendency in special interest coffee forums like this can be to make things far too complicated. Just buy fresh roasted coffee around the traps and settle on a supplier you like (for whatever reason) , and stick to him (or her). Simple really. Ah sorry,,,, I think I just repeated myself!

    All the best.
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    No worries FC ;D,

    Its probably been a long and arduous day :P,

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    Re: Where to buy coffee beans in Melbourne?

    On the original topic, are there any roasters in Melbourne in the Eastern suburbs? (my daily route is Burwood to Mulgrave, so not too far out!)

    Getting to Fitzroy/Balaclava/South Melbourne etc is a bit of a battle for me some times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1153372832/0#5 date=1153393919
    There are a number of "cliches" in the dcoffee game and they seem to describe things quite well. So with regard to your question about how long the freshness of coffee beans lasts, here is the "three" rule:

    b) roasted coffee beans (under ideal conditions of storage, properly roasted, etc etc) can last about THREE weeks at their best after which they start the journey down the hill....

    c) coffee grinds last any multiple of THREE be it say 3 minutes, or 30 minutes or three hours or whatever under ideal conditions of storage before becoming well and truly oxidised / stale and going very quickly down the drain.....
    ......thanks FC for answering my coffee storage question to boot from a commercial roasters perspective, excellent! CS comes up with the goods yet again ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan link=1153372832/0#4 date=1153386693
    Andrew
    First welcome to CoffeeSnobs.

    Second, listen to what Luca wrote he really knows his stuff.
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    Im glad Ive found this forum - seems like the place to be.


    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1153372832/0#3 date=1153385142
    The real "oh my god, this is so fresh, cant believe Ive been drinking that stale garbage" moment comes when your grinder arrives ;P
    Well, I now own a Rocky, so Im well on the way to having fresh coffee constantly. Going to take a bit of experimenting to find the right setting - but Grinders (where I bought it) gave me a free bag to experiment with, which was nice. They say they roast their beans on site, so hopefully they are okay, as lygon st is very easy to get to for me too.

    Though after advice from luca et al I think atomica may be my first stop, since they are clearly the best choice in the area.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1153372832/0#5 date=1153393919
    I dont think anyone in here is going to begrudge me (as a professional coffee roaster) saying that I prefer clients support the COFFEE ROASTING industry rather than some in the CAFE industry who are encroaching into the roasting industry, so if you are going to venture into South Melbourne I reckon you ought to check out Cottles....a professional roaster of many years standing.
    Cottles sounds good - I will have to try! As I said earlier Ive given in and bought a rocky already so looking forward to experimenting. Still not ready to roast my own though..

    Thanks for the welcome!

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    Damn! Grinders gave me a doser Rocky by mistake, so have to wait to change it over for a non-doser !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew link=1153372832/0#9 date=1153459338
    Grinders (where I bought it) gave me a free bag to experiment with, which was nice. They say they roast their beans on site, so hopefully they are okay, as lygon st is very easy to get to for me too.
    Grinders are owned by Coca Cola Amatil! Ive got to give it to them; theyre very, very good at marketing, branding, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1153372832/0#5 date=1153393919
    aspers & Atomica are right across the road from each other, you could try buying the "same" coffee from both and doing your own comparison.
    Great idea! Like I always say, at the end of the day, its whats in the cup that counts!

    On the original topic, are there any roasters in Melbourne in the Eastern suburbs? (my daily route is Burwood to Mulgrave, so not too far out!)
    Veneziano are in abbotsford.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Where to buy coffee beans in Melbourne?

    romeos on doncaster road in the eastern subs
    also groundedpleasures.com.au try these guys
    Craig has an extremely good palate and one of the most honest guys i have met. They are based in Balwyn i think. I havent tried the coffee yet, but he is working extremely hard on the blends. He was my first coffee teacher.

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    Re: Where to buy coffee beans in Melbourne?

    Why limit yourself to Melbourne?? :P

    I dont live near a major city where coffee roasters are a dime a dozen! (no offence intended guys!) :D And I generally get my coffee mail order. Express post is wonderful and if the roaster has done his/her job and been good enough to send me their freshly roasted beans, I am no worse off than if I lived in the city.

    Sure theres nothing like being able to walk on in to your fave roaster and smell those wonderful smells, see those wonderful coffee beans being handled with loving care but that is a luxury I dont have living in the bush, so we make do. ;)


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    Matt,
    you could also try Chosen Bean in the Mountain Gate shops - corner of FTG rd and Burwood Hwy. Its co-owned by Justin Metcalfe.

    Frankie

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    Hi Luca and all,

    I bought some beans at atomica, and some more from Jaspers.. The atomica dark roast blend is absolutely fantastic, so full and intensely flavoured! I also bought more of the okapa png bean from Jaspers, which I really like.

    I have to say, that I think the Jaspers bean was this weekend fresher looking than atomicas dark roast bean. The atomica had a slightly oily quality to them, while Jaspers was very dry. Am I right to say that?

    Is there a trick to getting the freshest roast from atomica?

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    A "dark roast" is something youd usually expect to see more oil become evident on the beans quicker than a more "conservative" roast. So I dont think you could use that as a true indication of the freshness.

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    Re: Where to buy coffee beans in Melbourne?

    Try Atomicas lighter roast house blend. Thier aotearoa blend is pretty good too.


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    Poundy: so it is fresh - nice! The dark roast just blew me away - it comes through the milk so loud and clear!! Yes, I know, I should have it without milk.. Im weaning myself off it..

    Rich and Rae I will try the light roast and aotearoa blend next, in that order.

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    Dont think espresso is the nirvana that everyone aspires to - I drank many a espresso when I first got Giotto, and whileI enjoyed it, I found I continued to enjoy the milk based drinks, so just kept that up. So tehres at least two of us who prefer to help the dairy industry ! :)

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    Dont knock the milkies, mmm latte. Ill throw my hat in the ring and recommend The Coffee Co. in Carlisle St East St Kilda. They have new owners as of last week, but Ross the manager (I think) has been there for a few years and is very knowledgable and happy to spend a bit of time with you to give advice on any coffee related matter. They carry alot of stock, but have a big turnover, so freshness is not an issue.

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    Re: Where to buy coffee beans in Melbourne?

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1153372832/0#1 date=1153381474
    The second place that I keep on ending up at is Veneziano Cafe (www.venezianocoffee.com.au), who are a much larger commercial roasting concern, but always maintain freshness.

    Cheers,

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    Veneziano also happen to be one of our respected Site Sponsors and definitely worth a try ;),

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    Quote Originally Posted by poundy link=1153372832/15#19 date=1153735226
    Dont think espresso is the nirvana that everyone aspires to - I drank many a espresso when I first got Giotto, and whileI enjoyed it, I found I continued to enjoy the milk based drinks, so just kept that up. So tehres at least two of us who prefer to help the dairy industry ! :)
    Make that 3! ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by andrew link=1153372832/15#15 date=1153727730
    Hi Luca and all,

    I bought some beans at atomica, and some more from Jaspers.. The atomica dark roast blend is absolutely fantastic, so full and intensely flavoured! I also bought more of the okapa png bean from Jaspers, which I really like.

    <snip>

    Is there a trick to getting the freshest roast from atomica?
    Cool, glad you like it! The Dark Roast is great for milk-based drinks, but its challenging to make it taste really good as an espresso - it needs a relatively fast pour (not as in gushing, just better to avoid ristrettos), cut off early and the temperature needs to be relatively low; then its nice and chocolatey with a bit of sweetness. You can go higher in temperature and get heaps of sweetness out of it, but you also get a very acrid flavour; quite unbalanced. Best to use it as a base for milk drinks, IMHO. I, too, tend to save espresso for good cafes rather than home!

    Atomica are usually pretty good at getting fresh roast to people ... but admittedly I havent bought from them for a while. The bags that are on the shelves are usually about four days old, but its best to ask just to be sure. As poundy said, the dark roast will oil up relatively quickly. This also means that Atomica Dark hits its peak earlier than other blends ... its probably best at 3 to 7 or 8 days out of the roaster, which means that it has to be fresh!

    Hope that helps,

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    Re: Where to buy coffee beans in Melbourne?

    Im sure youve got enough info with all the previous replies, but heres my second crack. Ive only tried Alan Frew from Coffee for Connoisseurs www.coffeeco.com.au in Port Melbourne but have always been happy with the results, both freshness and variety. This may be a better option for those outside the Melbourne CBD as its predominantly mail-order (hence my custom from Adelaide).

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    Hey Andrew , I also use a pavoni pro and have been getting my beans from Gigante in Charman road Cheltenham .They roast a number of different blends but I tend to stick with the one they use in the shop -Mochachino-as you can be sure its always fresh . Often when I do my weekly [250 gr.] run the roaster is doing his thing behind the counter . While I dont think of myself as a true coffee snob or coffee geek I rekon I get a pretty good espresso out of these beans . I know its on the other side of town to you but if you are ever over this way you may want to try something else .
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