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    Good drinking chocolate?

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    Im looking for some nice drinking chocolate to make either hot chocolates or mochas (more likely mochas). Does anyone have any recommendations? Also would this be sustitutable for the chocolate you put on caps, or do i need to buy special chocolate for that?

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    We use Belaromas drinking chocolate at work and also at home. Its good for drinking and sprinkling on the top of coffee.

    The other week at ICTF I tried a new product which is apparently a powder but it looked like melted chocolate with some milk thrown in! It was nice but I didnt like the way it formed a skin on the surface so quickly. Youd have to keep stirring it when drinking.

    But you probably want something more like the Belaroma product. They are the only ones I know of. I dont know if any of the site sponsers here also do drinking chocolate.

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Perugina Cacao makes a great hot chocolate and mocha IMHO.

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Quote Originally Posted by joe link=1154853773/0#2 date=1154863797
    Perugina Cacao makes a great hot chocolate and mocha IMHO.
    where would i buy that from joe?

    Might try belaroma too, thanks scoota gal!

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    You might find it at some delis. I get it from Mediterranean Wholesalers in Sydney rd. Brunswick (Vic) who, I think, import it.

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Im pretty sure CS member Mr Nang can get you some excellent drinking chocolate.

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Quote Originally Posted by Framey link=1154853773/0#5 date=1154867489
    Im pretty sure CS member Mr Nang can get you some excellent drinking chocolate.

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    and he might also be able to get you a pretty good chocolate garnish too ;)

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1154853773/0#1 date=1154861719
    The other week at ICTF I tried a new product which is apparently a powder but it looked like melted chocolate with some milk thrown in! It was nice but I didnt like the way it formed a skin on the surface so quickly. Youd have to keep stirring it when drinking.
    Yeah, that stuff was gross. The texture was nice, but the flavour of the corn starch was overpowering. There are a few versions around with potato starch instead, which is a slightly less prominent flavour, but they only start to thicken after the milk has been heated to 90C.

    The absolute best way of making hot choc has to be to just melt down good quality chocolate. That way, you control the amount of sugar going in and the quality of the chocolate. If you get fine choc nibs, or just grate the chocolate with a cheese grater, you might even be able to just put it in the bottom of a jug of milk and froth it up.

    All of the powders are too sweet for my tastes - but I guess that they have to be made that way or people complain ... my answer would be to let people add the amount of sugar that they want, but whatever. I guess you could make your own choc powder by mixing cocoa powder and icing sugar in a ratio that you like. You can then even take it a step further and mix the powder with boiling water to make your own syrup, then keep that in a squeeze bottle in the fridge.

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    Hi LG,

    Another one that might be worth trying is Nestle "Alpen Blend". Its not too sweet and seems to be powdered darkish chocolate rather than the usual "talc-like" products you sometimes get :P,

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    For good rich hot choc I find cocoa is the best, spoon for spoon with sugar otherwise its pretty bitter. Sometimes Ill do it half cocoa/sugar and half normal Cadbury drinking chocolate for a less intense flavour. But I guarantee once youve tasted hot chocolate with proper Bourneville (aka Cadbury) Cocoa, you wont go back to plain drinking chocolate (unless of course its similarly good quality). Only thing with the cocoa is that you need to stir it every now and again otherwise it settles out. Buy some from the supermarket and give it a try!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregpullman link=1154853773/0#9 date=1154901016
    For good rich hot choc I find cocoa is the best, spoon for spoon with sugar otherwise its pretty bitter. Sometimes Ill do it half cocoa/sugar and half normal Cadbury drinking chocolate for a less intense flavour. But I guarantee once youve tasted hot chocolate with proper Bourneville (aka Cadbury) Cocoa, you wont go back to plain drinking chocolate (unless of course its similarly good quality). Only thing with the cocoa is that you need to stir it every now and again otherwise it settles out. Buy some from the supermarket and give it a try!
    ================================================== =====================
    Cadbury Bournville Cocoa, has Cocoa and Flavours?/ Drinking Chocolates are full of milk powder and sugar..
    Try Van Houtens Dutch Cocoa or some of the German ones like Droste,
    The Dutch Cocoas were Processed differently and were/are generally regarded by Europeans as superior..
    And then you get into Single Origin Cocoas, which is a subject that is best left to the Chocolate Forums guys..
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    try this link
    http://www.icco.org/index.htm

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Vittoria "Choccochino" is a nice chocolate powered.... you can get it in white chocolate (Its been requested that I make a White Choc Mocha in my household for visitors, wife) as well... and dark chocolate... Ive been told its a winner :-)

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    FYI, the well known brand of chocolate in Australia, Haighs, sells a "premium" drinking chocolate which is simply cocoa and sugar (half/half).

    I believe they must sift/blend/press or something along those lines because the texture is like very small shards -- a bit like Milo/instant coffee but not quite as "freeze dried" looking.

    Personally I find the non-milk powdered drinking chocolates are a better fit for mochas and anything else that has a decent amount of milk content already, whereas if you just plan to add boiling water, some milk powder fits better, as its too watery otherwise.

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    try the woolies/safeway cocoa.
    Its 100% unsweetened cocoa, is from germany and will not cost you a packet.

    As above - Recipe: cocoa, warm milk and sugar to your taste. :)

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    IMHO cocoa plus sweetener to taste is best. The pre-mixed ones are just too
    sweet for my taste, but in that category Alpen (as mentioned above) and
    Ghiradelli are quite good. My wife uses them; I just mix about three big tsp
    cocoa with about one of sweetener and dissolve in minimal hot water, then
    lots of nicely microfoamed milk (at which my wife has become expert, I have
    some distance to go to catch up).

    Our current cocoa is Bensdorp but as mentioned most of the European ones
    are pretty good. Haighs used to sell the (very nice) cocoa that they import but
    dont anymore (but of course its in their drinking choc mix).


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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Use real chocolate. Best for great results!!!!

    Single origin chocolate is amazing. We sampled some chocolate on sunday which was like a peaberry. Couldnt put my finger on it. I wouldnt waste my time on supermarket crap. Chocolate is like coffee guys. Chocolate needs to be at the right percentage, right roast, not past used by date, and where did the origins come from!!! If you taste Madagascar chocolate its fruitly and light. Venezuelan chocolate is full and has halzenut characteristics. We talk freshly roasted single origin coffees, lets not talk about NESTLE "evil" Give chocolate same respect because there is some amazing stuff out there!!!

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    As andy says, melting down chocolate buds into a genache provides the best end result but practically speaking it is not ideal.
    Mixing cocoa is no easy challenge to get consistency and there are not that many 10/12% Alkalised dutch pressed cocoas available in less than 25kg bags on the market... *If you can find some more let me know about them!

    Warm chocolate regards,

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1154853773/0#1 date=1154861719
    We use Belaromas drinking chocolate at work and also at home. Its good for drinking and sprinkling on the top of coffee.
    I managed to get my hands on some Belaroma and want to know the best way to prepare it.

    What ratio of chocolate to milk do you use and how do you mix it?

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    ^Um. Well its not very technical and Im almost embarrased to answer such a question, Thundergod... :-[

    So heres how I do it...

    Get your mug or cup (Im talking about a 200ml glass equivalent I guess). Add a rather large heaped teaspoon of chocolate powder. More or less depending on your taste really. Add a small amount of hot water and stir until powder is dissolved and you have a rather thick chocolately paste. Add your frothed or hot milk and stir whilst adding it. Viola! Hot Chocolate.

    I have heard others say that to make up hot chocolate you should froth the milk with the chocolate powder in it. Havent tried this myself to date, Im kinda dreading the mess of it as it is sticky due to the sugar in the powder. The other way means that I can froth milk for a coffee as well as a hot chocolate whilst at work doing lots of drinks!

    Okay so thats how I do it for a single serve. Would you like to know what I do for when Im catering for a large group? :) Well, its your lucky day, cause Im going to share this with you and you can either take it or leave it. I dont mind, Im feeling a bit generous anyway today!

    Scootas Mega Hot Chocolate...

    Get yourself a big/largish saucepan. Mine is a 10 litre pan, with a double base. Thats really important if you are making it over the camp fire! :D

    Now this might sound a bit off, but believe me, you can not taste the difference and Ive fed this to adults and children alike. But, get some powdered milk! Yep, you read me right! I said, Powdered Milk!

    I use half powdered milk and half real milk in this Mega Hot Chocolate. Mix up the powdered milk as per its instructions on the pack, in your big saucepan.

    Meanwhile, put 300 to 500 grams of your drinking chocolate (this is where those 1 kg bags of Belaroma come in handy! ;)) with some nice hot water. Pour that smooth mix into the powdered milk mix and using a large whisk, whisk it nice and thoroughly. Add as much normal milk as you want and then put it over the stove top or camp fire, whatever you have to do this, and gently heat it up. Keep stirring it so that it doesnt stick to the bottom of your pan. If it is, youve got too much heat.

    Of course, this is all to taste. If you want it more chocolate add more using the hot water/chocolate powder mix or if you want it less, add more real milk. Too easy!

    Open a bag of mashmallows and serve your Mega Hot Chocolate with a soup ladle. Kids will love you for it!!

    :D


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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1154853773/15#18 date=1155714660
    ^Um. Well its not very technical and Im almost embarrased to answer such a question, Thundergod... :-[
    I dont know why youd be embarassed answering, Im the one that should be for asking.

    I do thank you very much, Ill do it that way from now on.

    I tried frothing the milk with the powder in it and it isnt a big deal to clean the steam wand but there were 3 or 4 spots of powder not quite blended when Id finished.

    Not a big deal, they were almost there; just needed a quick stir with the spoon and all was well.

    Still, your way sounds better.


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    ^I dont mean any offence, Thundergod but I guess, in light of how technical things seem here at times, my simple answer to making hot chocolate seemed a bit trivial and silly to me. ;) But its okay, I hope Ive helped a few others too with that one. ;)

    And its good to hear someone has tried the other technique. Would be interesting to try it with having the chocolate powder dissolved in the hot water and froth it together with the milk, TG. What about trying it that way and letting me know how it goes?

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    OK I will.

    As for the "simple" questions, sometimes the veterans forget what it was like starting out.
    So my asking the question was not only for me but anyone else too embarrased to ask.

    Its also good to see K.I.S.S.* can still apply.



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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Haighs in Adelaide do a brilliant drinking chocolate. They have outlets in Melbourne and Sydney now. Id like to try the Ernest Hillier and Max Brenner ones (David Jones stock the latter - about $20 for a relatively small tin).

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1154853773/15#20 date=1155727013
    Would be interesting to try it with having the chocolate powder dissolved in the hot water and froth it together with the milk, TG. What about trying it that way and letting me know how it goes?
    It went well.
    Definitely better than my first attempt where I spooned the powder into the jug of milk and then steamed.
    Probably better than powder and hot water mixed in the mug then hot milk added and stirred. I say better in that I know its mixed the other way and if I stir the milk into the mug I cant be sure how well Ive mixed it.

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    At work we use Mocopan chocolate. Unfortunately it is packed exclusively for Maccas....a shame though, it is the right blend of chocolate and sugar, and is fantastic in mochas and hot chocolate...which is awesome with marshmallows

    When I am lucky, and on the odd occasions I am, I get to take home a packet of this wonderful powder.


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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    hi guys,
    received a 1kg packet of kali drimking chocolate from coffee hit today ill let you know 2morrow how it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1154853773/15#23 date=1155968700
    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1154853773/15#20 date=1155727013
    Would be interesting to try it with having the chocolate powder dissolved in the hot water and froth it together with the milk, TG. What about trying it that way and letting me know how it goes?
    It went well.
    Definitely better than my first attempt where I spooned the powder into the jug of milk and then steamed.
    Probably better than powder and hot water mixed in the mug then hot milk added and stirred. I say better in that I know its mixed the other way and if I stir the milk into the mug I cant be sure how well Ive mixed it.
    I tried it that way at work today, TG. Didnt get any feedback from customers yet but found it easy enough to do. To make sure I didnt waste much milk, I still put the powder and the water in the glasses we use for hot chocolate, added the milk after making sure all the choc was dissolved which I then poured back into a jug to heat up with the steam wand. Seemed to give it a nice even consistency and there wasnt really any great hassle with clean up. Which is a plus really! :D

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    Ive got the milk amount worked out pretty well.

    I use a 200ml mug to serve in so I measure just over 150ml into my 300ml jug after Ive mixed the chocolate with the hot water.

    By the time Ive stretched the milk a little it fits nicely.


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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    My girlfriend has been making great hot chocolates lately using the steam wand on my espresso machine. Its pretty simple:

    * Take some good quality dark chocolate (we used Callebaut couverture) and chop it up quite finely. We had a big block of it, so my girlfriend just shaved some off with a knife.
    * Place the chocolate shavings in to your milk jug and pour in your milk
    * Steam up the milk!

    As long as the chocolate is fine enough, all (or at least most) of it should melt while youre steaming the milk, especially if you get the milk swirling around nicely.

    On a side note, steaming milk with chocolate in it isnt going to kill my machine is it? :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsd link=1154853773/15#28 date=1156509869
    On a side note, steaming milk with chocolate in it isnt going to kill my machine is it? :)
    It shouldnt be a problem there Lysergic. Just be sure to do a good cleaning rinse of your steam tip afterwards, the same as you would after steaming just milk. :)

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    Re: Good drinking chocolate?

    finally managed to get away from making coffee and tried a hot chocolate for the missus(she was complaining about the house smelling like a coffee shop!)

    no more complaints now reckons i make the best ever hot chocies

    1. using the scoop that came with silvia 1 level spoon khali drinbking chocolate(from coffee hit)
    2> form a paste by adding hot water from silvia to powder
    3. froth milk add and stir topped with two marshmallows and sprinkled with more chocolate powder

    she used to add 3-4 sugars when we went out for hot chockie
    drank this one staight

    she now doesnt seem to mind the coffee smell(which to me is heaven)
    only problem is now i have to make 1 coffee, 1hot choc and 2 baby chinos(for the kids) every time i make a coffee.

    makes me wish the silvia had a bigger water tank.

    mattm

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattm link=1154853773/30#30 date=1156583693
    only problem is now i have to make 1 coffee, 1hot choc and 2 baby chinos(for the kids) every time i make a coffee.
    Yeah,

    Strange how this happens when one starts out making great drinks on the spresso, doesnt matter what the origin, it comes out tasting great and people asking for more ;D,

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