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    Yesterday I managed to insult my father-in-law. I was not trying to, but I didnít drink the coffee he made for me. First of all it was too hot Ė he is a firm believer that coffee should be served at nothing less than a scalding temperature.

    Worst of all though was that it was instant coffee (but its moccona he says - somehow this makes it all ok).

    Now my in-laws are people who know quality stuff Ė after all they gave me my Faema Family. But making coffee just seems too much effort, even in a plunger so they have reverted to using moccona.

    I Just Canít Drink It!

    I Wonít.

    Not on a train, not on a plane not with sucrose, not up my nose, I do not like it, Kim the gruff, I do not like that awful stuff!

    Does anyone have any polite refusal strategies that they have successfully used to decline a coffee type beverage that you know you just cant drink?

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    Quote Originally Posted by grendel link=1159149456/0#0 date=1159149456
    Does anyone have any polite refusal strategies that they have successfully used to decline a coffee type beverage that you know you just cant drink?
    "Im sorry, but Ive had enough caffeine for the day."

    "Im sorry, but Im feeling a bit dehydrated. Do you have some water or juice?"

    Or go prepared. Bring some beans (and if needed the brewing equipment) and offer to make coffee for everyone. After doing that once or twice people will be demanding you bring your beans for the next visit. :)


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    I just make it clear to anyone who offers me a coffee I always so no thanks... unless I know how its brewed.

    Im blessed my in laws perculate (Stovetop) there coffee... and they are testing some beans I roast for them... :-) (It helps that they are Italian though)

    Having said that, Java makes some good suggestions...

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    Ive always found that
    "No thanks"
    does the trick.

    I always give people the option of tea/coffee/cold drink. I dont want people to feel they have to accept a coffee, and likewise, I dont ever feel compelled to accept one from others.

    Dont invent reasons why you are saying no or people will offer solutions.
    IE: "Ive had enough caffeinne for the day"
    "Its OK - weve got decaf instant crap too!"

    If you decline and people insist on pushing for a why, then it is they who are being impolite.

    It is interesting though, Ive had the reverse happen to me. Ive offerred drinks to a group of friends. Included in the group was one guy who had not been to our place. He politely declined tea or coffee and accepted a cold drink.

    When I brought the other coffees out (the other 4 people said yes), he exclaimed "Oh.. its real coffee... can I change my order please?"

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    My wife still has some Moccona in the pantry (Ive had the Expobar for about 8 weeks now).

    I think Javas suggestions are sensible.

    When people are over they usually sit around the dining table which is direct line of sight to the Expobar so even a newcomer to my place shouldnt miss all the chrome when Im offering to make coffee.

    I do however ask what people would like; coffee, tea, water, soft drink?

    If father-in-law didnt give you the choice before making the coffee for you it was insensitive of him.
    Good intentions obviously but youll have to gently train him.

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    I try to be as polite as possible when refusing a coffee and will start off with a simple No thank you. Some people unfortunately are not satisfied with that and require a reason. They then get a I just dont feel like it. Then there are those who push it beyond that.

    If pushed to that point by these impolite souls Ill then give them the full reason and let them deal with the consequences of their pushiness/impoliteness by being told the truth.

    To a large extent this is the same process I use in many of my dealings with people. Be polite and dont tell an inconvienent truth unless pushed to it. But if you push me for it you will be given it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1159149456/0#4 date=1159160213
    When people are over they usually sit around the dining table which is direct line of sight to the Expobar so even a newcomer to my place shouldnt miss all the chrome when Im offering to make coffee.
    Same here. You cant miss the Silvia sitting in the middle of the kitchen bench, all that shiny stainless steel kinda hits you in the face when you walk into the kitchen! Seeing as I have the local rep as being the one and only professional barista in town, no ones not going to knock back a nice cup of coffee or whatever hot drink I may offer them! Rarely do I get that!

    And same thing when visiting, most people dont even bother offering coffee to me, unless they know they can do better! Some have even admitted that theyre embarrassed to only have instant on offer. Ive admitted to being embarrassed because I wouldnt even consume the stuff! :o

    Generally, I just ask for a cold drink anyway as by the time Ive got round to visit someone, I have had my coffee for the day. ;)

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    My favourite "coffee" is the one my eighty-nine year old aunt makes for me when I lunch with her each week. She chose the brand of "instant" specifically with me in mind because she wanted it to be special. She serves it in the cup that she chose just for me. I find it hard to call it coffee, but sometimes its the thought that counts.

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    Speaking of "coffee".
    The first coffee my daughter made me (at a very young age) was a bit of a shock to the system.

    It was instant and I liked it strong but this was something else.

    When asked how many spoons of coffee she put in the cup, the answer came back "3 heaped, why? ".
    It seems that she figured shed put in the same numbers of spoons of coffee as the Milo that she put in her milk.
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    A former colleague of mine from Arizona was a coffee snob, but also a coffee adict and when he couldnt get anything else he would drink instant. I made it for him once at his request - six spoons, heaped.

    Thats gotta be above the recommended daily allowance of something!

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    Sad isnt it?
    Im the same- I generally will ask for tea rather than coffee, and that includes in many coffee bars and restaurants.
    And youd be right in saying I might be missing a pleasant surprise- well I take the risk now and again.
    Ive been thinking part of the fascination we have with coffee is the old style alchemy of it. Its like guiatr playing- you can buy all the gear a favourite player has only to realise its in his or her hands.
    Coffees the same- doesnt matter how great the gear is, or even if someone is following the rules (although this helps greatly) theres still that unknown factor.
    Having said that theres serendipity- playing at a snob party I was offered a coffee from the owner who said, Weve just got this new machine! Well it was a commercial, so warily I took a chance and said, A macchiato please, to be answered with, Whats that?
    Unexpectedly it was fantastic!
    You never know,
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    Quote Originally Posted by russellm link=1159149456/0#7 date=1159267728
    My favourite "coffee" is the one my eighty-nine year old aunt makes for me when I lunch with her each week. She chose the brand of "instant" specifically with me in mind because she wanted it to be special. She serves it in the cup that she chose just for me. I find it hard to call it coffee, but sometimes its the thought that counts.

    Best wishes, Russell
    It is hard when people think they are doing something special for you. You often end up with just the 2 choices, hurt their feelings or hurt your own taste buds.
    My in-laws are very welcoming and generous people. A few years ago, they offerred plunger coffee after meals. It was quite acceptable for me. I drink it with milk and sugar and found it to be quite OK.
    Then, they got into the habit of buying various flavoured beans. The first night they served the coffee beaming. I took a mouthfull and nearly threw up. Absolutely horrible. French Vanilla I think. That was the beginning of the end of coffee at their place.
    Next on their list, a coffee machine. Just went out and bought a plastic semi-auto.
    Proudly made me a coffee on that - once.
    Ive tried supplying beans, but they only seemed to get used when I was there.
    After they were 2 months old (and Im telling them to throw them out), I started to decline when offered coffee.
    I really think they were going through all of this just for my benefit, but I could not politely drink the stuff.
    Part of the problem I think was that the coffee purchases were being driven by an impulsive, non coffee drinker in the family.
    Anyway, I just say no now.

    Maybe that is what Nancy Reagan was on about
    JUST SAY NO - to substandard coffee!

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    When you go to my in-laws and a "hot" drink is offered I have a choice of either a Bilo teabag or Bilo instant coffee placed in a huge mug, cold water added and then heated in the microwave until hot. Bilo Longlife milk is added at the end! They dont have sugar in their drinks so usually theres none on offer either. Consequently, now when asked if Id like a hot drink I usually say that Ive not long since had one but would love a glass of water. Even they cant stuff that up!

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    Seeing as we are talking about in-laws...

    Ive got a great mother-in-law! She patiently allows me to make my coffee on my own machine which we take with us when we go up and stay with her.

    Of course theres a catch...

    I have to make her coffee too!! :D


    We recently let her inherit the old Sunbeam which is a step up from the DeLonghi something or other that she owned and I couldnt be bothered with! The Sunbeam was paired up with the "Starbucks" grinder which did a credible job and a whole lot easier for her compared to the other thing (which I never bothered to look apon. ;)).

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    people know with me ... theyll say, "tea? coffee? no wait ... my coffee wont be up to scratch ... tea?"

    I give a sheepish smile that Ive been working on (I call it latigra) and say, "Id love a tea thanks."

    Works a charm.

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    I just say "Nah Im fine thanks". I can take a cup of Lipton tea but I cannot stand instant coffee and I dont even like amateur espresso.

    Coffee is one thing...beer is even worse. Ill pass on a beer if I know its going to be West End Draught, which is utterly disgusting - but some people love it.

    Father-in-law looked in my beer fridges (yes, theres 2) which are stocked with various Coopers, Heineken, Lowenbrau, James Squire, Kilkenny, Guinness, Urqell a couple of weeks ago, and said half-jokingly that I should get some WE or Crown Lager because he doesnt like all that "imported sh*t".

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    Actually I sense a trend here - as well as a coffee snob I am also a beer snob - I dont tend to drink it in quantity so I go for quality

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    Quote Originally Posted by grendel link=1159149456/15#16 date=1159448292
    Actually I sense a trend here - as well as a coffee snob I am also a beer snob - I dont tend to drink it in quantity so I go for quality
    I would also fit into this category with you Grendel. Coffee and Beer both need to be quality in order for them to pass my lips. I would decline substandard offerings even as a guest, trying to do it as politely as possible though. So try to avoid such terms as "i dont like that crap" etc...
    Quality beverages are a good thing though, I like the social aspect of them both. Tend to go hand in hand with sitting around chatting for me.

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    I had an instant coffee tonight :(

    Im not proud of it. But I did. [smiley=undecided.gif]

    Had to drive from the Gold Coast back to Brisbane and I was sleepy. Needed some caffeine and that was all that was on offer.

    Im not sure what it tasted like. Not like coffee thats for sure. Too used to the good stuff now .............

    Oh well. [smiley=embarassed.gif]


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    Ha ha ha,

    Just saw that Moconna add where the girl offers the fella a coffee (obviously was leading onto something else [smiley=evil.gif] a little later) when she realises there is only enough for one cup left. She scares bloke off with a prank call from the clinic etc etc. Anyway as I watched I developed this huge grin knowing that if he was a snob, hed be out the door as soon as he heard the lid on the Moccona jar being opened! ;D

    Maybe this site needs a matchmaking service for snobs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt G link=1159149456/15#19 date=1159876510
    Maybe this site needs a matchmaking service for snobs?
    Perhaps it could be a confessional for snobs ??


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    We just saw that ad for Nescrapes Cuppacino in a packet where the girl is at all these different "cafes" supposedly enjoying a "cuppaccino". :o Similar story to the Moccona ad, but she just ignores the guy. Apparently, the coffee is just soo good! ::)

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    Re: But its Moccona!

    Time for John Safran to go get a Fatwa against Nescafe.

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    Re: But its Moccona!

    Have any of you ever been silly enough to order a coffee whilst flying with Virgin Blue! All I can say is dont!

    They give you a cup of hot water, a sachet of Nescafe and then charge you $3.00 for the "pleasure".

    Unbelievable!

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    Ive had the Nescafe Gold a few times. But never had to make it myself. They keep the please of mixing the instant themselves ......


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    Come on folks...

    I dont think we should think less of people because they offer instant coffee. As somebody mentioned, its the thought that counts.

    Dont get me wrong...I dont like instant coffee, but I would not want to make friends uncomfortable by an obvious refusal. Its not about personal compromise, its about manners!

    Cheers..... :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stratford link=1159149456/15#25 date=1160085215
    Come on folks...

    I dont think we should think less of people because they offer instant coffee. *As somebody mentioned, its the thought that counts.

    Dont get me wrong...I dont like instant coffee, but I would not want to make friends uncomfortable by an obvious refusal. *Its not about personal compromise, its about manners!

    Cheers..... :)
    I just politely request tea... ;) ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by stratford link=1159149456/15#25 date=1160085215
    Come on folks...

    I dont think we should think less of people because they offer instant coffee. As somebody mentioned, its the thought that counts.

    Dont get me wrong...I dont like instant coffee, but I would not want to make friends uncomfortable by an obvious refusal. Its not about personal compromise, its about manners!

    Cheers..... :)
    Great post... !! well done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stratford link=1159149456/15#25 date=1160085215
    Come on folks...

    I dont think we should think less of people because they offer instant coffee. *As somebody mentioned, its the thought that counts.

    Dont get me wrong...I dont like instant coffee, but I would not want to make friends uncomfortable by an obvious refusal. *Its not about personal compromise, its about manners!

    Cheers..... :)

    Very true - were snobs, but we can be polite about it. Its like going to someones house for dinner - if you dont like whats being served, you eat it anyway. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by stratford link=1159149456/15#25 date=1160085215
    Come on folks...

    I dont think we should think less of people because they offer instant coffee. *As somebody mentioned, its the thought that counts.

    Dont get me wrong...I dont like instant coffee, but I would not want to make friends uncomfortable by an obvious refusal. *Its not about personal compromise, its about manners!

    Cheers..... :)
    I dont think any less of people because they dont share my obsession with coffee. If they are happy drinking instant, then good for them. I just dont want to participate.
    If it truely is the thought that counts, then the thought process should be:
    I offered
    They declined
    The end.

    People should still be allowed to politely refuse. "No thank you" is still good manners.
    Whereas drinking swill and throwing up on your hosts carpet/shoes/pet MIGHT be considered bad manners.

    And manners go both ways - if you politely decline and people persist, theyre the ones with suspect manners.

    To paraphrase grendel and Dr. Seuss:
    "I will not drink it to be polite, I will not drink it on any night.
    I will not drink to ease their mind, I will not drink it anytime.
    I will not drink this brownish swill, for it will surely make me ill.
    So if I give a polite "no", then thats as far as it should go."

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    Im with you fatboy - I will always be exceedingly polite in my refusal - and Ive never had any problems with anyone when saying no. My father in law however knows that I dont drink instant - and that I never have. He could at least offer me tea!

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    I too find it rude to refuse coffee just purely on the grounds that its instant. Ill bite my pride and just drink it, unless there are other reasons ......... too late, im too full, etc etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Corretto link=1159149456/30#31 date=1160101400
    I too find it rude to refuse coffee just purely on the grounds that its instant. *Ill bite my pride and just drink it, unless there are other reasons ......... too late, im too full, etc etc.

    Belinda
    I recall a Moccona commercial where the dinner guests ran straight through the front window of the house because it wasnt Moccona.....I do that because it is Moccona ;) ;D

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    I dont consider myself a coffee snob, I just like good coffee. But Ill drink any old crap. At the risk of being evicted from this discussion group... what if we pretended instant isnt coffee but in a category of its own. Can we then not compare fine instant rubbish with rubbish instant rubbish?

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    Agreed Ox - Ill consider instant to be a beverage called instant. :)


    Ill add this to the list of beverages that I choose not to drink - such as bovril, camomile tea and hemlock.

    Youve got to commit worse sins than that to get chucked out I reckon!

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    Look upon your `snobbery as a personal attribute and not a social weapon...celebrate your enjoyment of good coffee....

    The rest of the world will catch up one day.. :)

    Bottoms up... ;)

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    I will drink instant if offered by someone who I dont wish to offend.

    A couple of sugars and it becomes a strange tasting brown cordial (which is served hot?) ;) ;D

    I figure if thats the worst I have to endure in life - lifes not too bad! :)

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    Before discovering espresso a year or so back, I was a heavy duty Blend 43 girl, I used to buy my instant by the 1/2 kilo tin. I preferred plunger coffee, but never got to finish a packet of preground before it went off, so I just didnt buy it that often. Everyone who knows me understands that I drink a lot of coffee, and its hard to explain that my traditional Nescafe doesnt even taste like coffee to me anymore. I solved the problem at my sisters a couple of weeks ago by giving her my old nespresso setup - Im not so snobbish yet that Ill refuse that. For everyone else I know, Ill drink their instant. Im already doing as Ox suggests and thinking of it as a completely different beverage, that I drink politely because there is nothing else. :)

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    Im a homebody so while Im not working I can now get good coffee any time I like.
    I might occasionally visit my mother or cousin and both have espresso machines.

    The one at mums is a little Sunbeam or something or other.
    I played with it once but decided its intracasies are best left to my sister.
    Now if I can only get them to buy a grinder and freshly roasted beans.

    Dont know what my cousins machine is.
    Ill have a closer look next time.
    But its big and shiny so looks the part and the coffee tastes good.
    He buys his though in 2 kg bags so unless hes seriously addicted I hope I dont get a coffee one day from the bottom of the bag.

    I havent had an instant since getting the Expobar and also stopped taking sugar in my coffee fromthe same time.

    (Theres still some Moccona in the pantry from August 2006 BE (Before Expobar))

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    Its not just snobbery with me! I used to drink instant coffee for years.. but once I got used to espresso and making my own... I just cant drink instant any more... to me instant coffee tastes really bitter and i can taste chemicals or something in it!

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    I must also say, that making instant coffee at work does make me feel ill, literally. I have managed to get over the shock and disgust at people actually wanting to pay for the stuff to come in a cup but it is the smell of instant that makes me feel bad. It really does have a bad odour to it, IMO. :-?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ox link=1159149456/30#33 date=1160198629
    I dont consider myself a coffee snob, I just like good coffee. But Ill drink any old crap. At the risk of being evicted from this discussion group... what if we pretended instant isnt coffee but in a category of its own. Can we then not compare fine instant rubbish with rubbish instant rubbish?

    Well put Ox! ;D [smiley=2vrolijk_08.gif] [smiley=grin.gif]

    I definitely consider instant in a class of its own. A hot brown muddy water class [smiley=bath.gif]


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    giggled like a schoolgirl

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    I agree with jazzy_boy- its something in the chemical makeup and it isnt just instant. Its also badly made espresso based drinks. My partner always got migraines when she drank coffee (hence her hesitation when I first offered her a cup) and I will get a really acid stomach with many coffees.

    We are wondering if its polystyrene cups of take aways or very overextracted coffees. The most recent one was from a coffee cart at a middle eastern dance festival. The guy looked the business but I noticed the coffee was watery and thin and slightly burnt and served in a polystyrene cup. My partner got a crippling migraine within 15 minutes.
    Interestingly no migraines associated with our coffees or our daughters ones.
    Any ideas
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    If theyre using a commercial roast it probably contains robusta and it may well be the higher caffeine content thats causing the problem.

    Java "Arabica: More taste, less caffeine!" phile

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    Re: But its Moccona!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ox link=1159149456/30#33 date=1160198629
    I dont consider myself a coffee snob, I just like good coffee. But Ill drink any old crap. At the risk of being evicted from this discussion group... what if we pretended instant isnt coffee but in a category of its own. Can we then not compare fine instant rubbish with rubbish instant rubbish?
    This thread is interesting and I appreciate what Ox has said and Im sure he wont be evicted for his comments... in fact he should be applauded. Snobs is such a nasty word >:( and really shouldnt be used by anyone agianst any of us and we should only use it tongue in cheek with one another.
    A snob is only a snob in the eyes of someone who feels put down by someone who fells they are superior in some way. If I drink no other coffee but my own special blend and I tend to look down my nose at others who have not been so enlightened in the ways of coffee - then they are likely to use the term "snob" in a negative way!
    If however I remember my own roots as a blend 43 drinker, and how I knew nothing else- my demeanor should demonstate that among family and friends.

    Most of these people around me know not to offer me a coffee and we get on fine. I have one special friend however, whos intellectually challenged and when I go to his place he ceremonially takes out the gold blend and makes us a cup to go with the scones hes made. I know he has that coffee specifically for our time together knowing the I really like GOOD coffee. ;D
    POINT??? ;)
    Well- while Im drinking I enjoy the time very much... And I really dont see the stuff as coffee but a highly sweetened caffeine drink. 8-)

    It may not be too popular, but I reckon it would be great to practice drinking this hot brew- all for the sake of relationship!
    Youll probably find - like me- that theres more to a cuppa than what you consume! ::)

    Here endeth the sermon
    RH

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    Well said RH

    Maybe we should consider ourselves Evolved Drinkers of Coffee aka Coffee Snobs.

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    Re: But its Moccona!

    Wise words, RH....wise words...

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    Well said RH - but wasnt that also Nescafes advertising angle?

    :P

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    Re: But its Moccona!

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    All good advertising will take something true and noble and use it to sell something... ;)
    The best advertising disguises that so people are sucked in.
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