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    Portafilter

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    Hey,
    I was looking on coffeeparts today and saw the LM portafilters, im just wondering whats the difference between the Part no. 617938 and Part no. 700317 :-? The Part no. 617938 says m10 and the Part no. 700317 says for m12 filter holder.
    Oh and i would expect the 15 and straight difference as the angle of the handle sticking out?

    Thanks

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    Re: Portafilter

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1162116089/0#0 date=1162116089
    Hey,
    I was looking on coffeeparts today and saw the LM portafilters, im just wondering whats the difference between the Part no. 617938 and Part no. 700317 :-? The Part no. 617938 says m10 and the Part no. 700317 says for m12 filter holder.
    Oh and i would expect the 15 and straight difference as the angle of the handle sticking out?
    I think that m10 and m12 refers to the size of the bolt that screws into them ... but Im not sure.

    15 is certainly the 15 degree handle.

    There are a number of generic parts out there and it looks, from the webpage diagrams, that coffeeparts doesnt have the proprietary rubber handle. This handle is shaped ergonomically and is made of a nice, hard rubber with "La Marzocco" embossed into it. The rubber handle that they have is their generic rubber one (700616 and the m12 version), its still nice, but its not the genuine article and not moulded the same. The generic plastic handles that you referred to look much more like the synesso handles than the LM ones. If you want to see the actual LM portafilters, I borrowed someone elses photo in my latest blog post.

    The spouts showed on the coffeeparts webpage also dont look like the ones that LM were using. They were using 511672/R for a while, but they showed me the new spouts that they are using at the factory last year. The adjustable spout had two major problems; (a) with time, and heavy commercial use, the adjustment mechanism wore out and (b) it spread the pour our so far that not all demitasses could capture both streams. Accordingly, they moved to a single-piece, open spout that can deliver both streams right to the bottom of the LM ACF demitasse without getting espresso on the sides and still separates the streams wide enough to be able to put two cups under it. From memory, that spout also has a squared-off base bit so that you can rest it easily on the edge of the counter for level tamping. Its a very subtle and clever design. I have seen a lot of La Marzoccos that are using 511672, which is a standard covered spout that spreads the streams out a little wider and, has a rounded base that cant be used as a support for tamping. This standard part is on our Azkoyen and our Synesso. Corey Diamond, of Epic Espresso, prefers it to the new LM spout, but I dont. You can remove the cover on this part to have an open spout if you want.

    Surf around the coffeeparts webpage and Im sure youll see a lot of those parts come up on other manufacturers pages!

    The actual cup of the portafilter looks right in the diagram ... important, cause thats one of the main reasons why youd buy it!

    Anyhoo, if you want to buy one of these pfs, it would be worthwhile calling up Pedro to make sure that youre getting the real deal, which is nicer than the Synesso pf that you would otherwise be buying. Pedro might well direct you to the LM importer or their sub-distributor.

    These differences are minutii, but I presume that anyone who would spend $100+ on a portafilter is interested in minutii!

    If I remember, next time Im around our FB-80 with a camera Ill snap some photos.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Thanks luca:)
    Are the spout your talking about 511673 or 511672/A I like the look of the 511672/A ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1162116089/0#2 date=1162122919
    Thanks luca:)
    Are the spout your talking about 511673 or 511672/A I like the look of the 511672/A ::)
    511673 looks like what is used on the silvia, expobar and marte machines.

    511672/A looks the closest to the LM spout, but (a) the LM spout has much more angular sides, (b) from the measurements, it looks like it is wider (the LM spout didnt seem to be wider than my rancilio spout) and (c) I cant see what the base bit is shaped like. You can see the spouts in the photo on my blog.

    A picture is worth a thousand words. You might like to take a look at this one on flickr. You can clearly see the spout and part of the handle. Shot looks like a bit of a gusher, though ...

    Cheers,

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    Yeah the M10 and M12 bit refer to diameter of the handles threaded end bit. I made the error of ordering the wrong size a while back... :-[

    LM rubberised, angles portafilters are a (heavy 750g ish) thing of beauty. Ive got three of them *:)

    It feels wrong but I want to get one of them chopped. My current bottomless is a Rancilio PF, and it doesnt go in smoothly.

    I have the rounded spout and want to get my hands on the square type.

    Anybody got any tips for removing spouts? I havent got a vice (other than coffee).


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    Dont chop one. You can get OEM bottomless portafilters with the 15 degree rubberised handle, if you really want them! So you dont have brass exposed. Youll need to contact the importers about those, though.

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    Re: Portafilter

    Who knows who the importer or distrubutor is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1162116089/0#6 date=1162186412
    Who knows who the importer or distrubutor is?
    Sorry, Ive avoided posting that up because this site seems to be based on the premise that sponsor = good and non-sponsor = bad. I presume that its not kosher to post that, so Ill PM you. Can any mods advise if this is the correct course of action and how this should be handled in future?

    Cheers,

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    Thanks luca [smiley=thumbsup.gif]
    So in the future if i need any LM stuff i got a reference:)
    Oh, i just wanted to know about those pretty looking PF, cant use them since i got a solis... but will get there!

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    Re: Portafilter

    Quote Originally Posted by luca link=1162116089/0#7 date=1162188931
    Can any mods advise if this is the correct course of action and how this should be handled in future?
    Yes Mate,

    Thats the current state of play for the foreseeable future. Unsolicited plugs are a no-no and if youre not sure run it by Andy before posting,

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    Re: Portafilter

    Pedro is quite helpful about PFs, I know when I went buying a naked one for Giotto he was very happy to chat about it. Great guy, great sponsor.

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    I would second that! Pedro knows the ins and outs of the p/f and is very honest about it. He even went as far as to talk me out of buying one and just sticking with the one I had. So get in contact with him for sure. I ended up buying a 15 degree one of him so I can convert my existing to a naked. Fast delivery from them as well.

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    Re: Portafilter

    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1162116089/0#8 date=1162190123
    Oh, i just wanted to know about those pretty looking PF, cant use them since i got a solis... but will get there!
    Bwahahahaa ... maybe if Id know that I wouldnt have gone into so much detail ... actually, who am I kidding; coffeesnob + law student + machine conversation = waaaaaaaaay too much output!

    I would second that! Pedro knows the ins and outs of the p/f and is very honest about it. He even went as far as to talk me out of buying one and just sticking with the one I had. So get in contact with him for sure. I ended up buying a 15 degree one of him so I can convert my existing to a naked. Fast delivery from them as well.
    I havent actually bought from Pedro in a while, but I seem to remember my stuff arriving almost before it left! I think that he is the go-to guy for most of the roasters around Australia, so he understands the importance of cultivating a good relationship with his customers.

    I really like their generic straight rubber handle, and at less than $20, you certainly cant complain about the price. Unfortunately, I dont think that it can be retrofitted to the Rancilio PF. But the genuine LM 15 degree rubber handle portafilter, with the new spout, is by far my favourite portafilter. A friend of mine who loves his coffee, but isnt fanatical enough to try to scale the home espresso mountain, insisted on seeing the FB-80 today, so we dropped by and I made him a few shots. There was a spare LM PF sitting on top of the machine and even he commented that it was "cool." Maybe its the lion embossed in the metal part of the handle.

    Cheers,

    Luca

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffee Kid link=1162116089/0#8 date=1162190123
    Oh, i just wanted to know about those pretty looking PF, cant use them since i got a solis... but will get there!
    Bwahahahaa ... maybe if Id know that I wouldnt have gone into so much detail ... actually, who am I kidding; coffeesnob + law student + machine conversation = waaaaaaaaay too much output!
    It was very nice to know stuff in detail, since i didnt know anything about the spouts of being genuine or generic so learnt something new! :) so it was useful to my knowledge
    Thanks! [smiley=tekst-toppie.gif]

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    Re: Portafilter

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    A pictures worth a thousand words, so I thought it worthwhile to post this for future reference. All of the stuf referred to in this thread should be visible.

    Cheers,

    Luca




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