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    SOs and prices...

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    I am keen to try as many different SOs as I can to broaden my pallette and increase my awareness, but it seems many places sell SOs between $30-$40/kg which seems like a bit of a rort when the upper end green beans around here seem to fetch $12/kg.

    I will be starting home roasting shortly, but I doubt Ill be able to get the best profile out of the beans straight away so will have to rely on botique roasters until I become more proficient.

    So where is the best place to order SOs from online? (please feel free to PM if you know of a place that is not a site sponsor).

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    Where do you live Bon may help people guide you a little more. Many of the site sponsors sell roasted beans so I am sure they will be able to help you out. But if you say what state you are in will help you to be pointed in the best direction so that you can avoid freight if at all possible.

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    Sorry, Im in Newcastle, NSW.

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    You could always buy a popper and some greens and test out a few SOs if you want to save a few bucks and have fun in the process

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    Yep, I will definitely do that.. But, considering Ive never roasted before I dont hold a great deal of faith in my ability to get the best profile out of the beans! ;)

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    Re: SOs and prices...

    You can always purchase the beginners pack from the bean bay on this site.

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    http://www.coffeealchemy.com.au/
    Ive had SOs from Hazel (contract roasts for a site sponsor, Di Bartoli). A rocking Limmu and a good Costa Rican Pastora.

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    StAli is not a sponsor, but they are THE place to shop at if you want to enjoy a variety of single origins, all supplied with roasted on dates. Marks transparency makes ones journey through SOs much easier (thats what I think when one doesnt have to contend with stale roasts and then try and figure out when the hell it was roasted on). Better to email or call first order, as the variety of beans on offer is more than what is listed on their site.

    Commercial NON site-sponsor links removed...... Mal.

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    Gday Bon, and others.

    I have gotten myself in plenty of hot water in the past over this one but that doesnt maean I shouldnt set the record each time I see this popping up.

    Bon, you said "....it seems many places sell SOs between $30-$40/kg which seems like a bit of a rort when the upper end green beans around here seem to fetch $12/kg...."

    The CS bean bay is a non profit organisation and only need to cover the cost of what it sets out to do, and no more.

    But selling coffee is business and a means for some people of deriving a livelihood!. This means they have to make a profit and this means they have to charge accordingly to cover all costs incurred in running the total business....this means wages, rent, telephone, electricity, vehicles, the cost of the roasting plant, the cost of having sizeable borrowings etc etc etc, and still be able to draw a fair and equitable wage to live on and get a return on the money they have invested.

    Its no small investment, and the smaller the turnover (of business or coffee beans or whatever), the higher the end price to the consumer has to be! Take a look at the wine industry...boutique wine makers with small holdings and production have to sell at a high price....whether the wine is good 0r not, because they dont have the economies of scale.

    Under the scenario you presented above which is simply to say that it is a rort to buy coffee beans for x, and sell them for say 3x, you have not factored in all the variables described, and by default you are also saying that anyone that sells their ###expertise### should not charge anything for their services because they didnt actually pay anything for that expertise in the first place in the way that you might buy a tangible kilo of beans to on sell. This of course is a flawed argument.

    Hope this makes sense.

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    Well said FC.

    I have watched Hazel do a roast and its not a matter of popping some beans in the roaster, turning it on and coming back 15 minutes later to pop them in bags for sale.

    She is like a hummingbird.
    Flitting about, wings flapping furiously (figuratively), checking the beans, adjusting the flames, adjusting the fan, recording times etc, over and over until the batch is done to perfection.

    I know what my time is worth as an office worker in my comfy chair and airconditioned workstation.
    I dont for one moment think Hazels prices are a rort.

    (And she will sell me green beans if I want.)

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    I think FCs comments would be an extremely good starting point for an answer in a FAQs section. *Why is roasted coffee "so expensive" ::) or something like that.

    The $12 a kilo for the "upper end" is an unusually cheap price for green, which Ive only seen on beanbay. *My "local" roaster used to sell me green for about $15 a kilo upwards. *I saw some Yauco Selecto on a site this week for $35 a kilo green.

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    FC said it perfectly!!

    Dont like it, find somewhere else to buy coffee.... geezzzz

    Come on, even supermarket coffee is expensive... and its stale!!

    The cost of the green bean isnt where the costs end...

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    Oh yeah, remember those perspex bins the supermarket coffee aisle that had "fresh" beans in them ?? Was it Brothers Coffee?? I only ever tried that once. Stale as a hundred year old loaf of bread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MM-MochaMaster link=1165314330/0#11 date=1165380343
    Oh yeah, remember those perspex bins the supermarket coffee aisle that had "fresh" beans in them ?? Was it Brothers Coffee?? *I only ever tried that once. *Stale as a hundred year old loaf of bread.

    Yeah- its amazing what can happen with prices and freshness....

    Just last week I visited a rather famous Brunswick St place to pick up some beans for a class. I was faced by many buckets of the stuff....all nice and glossy and stale.....So I crossed the road to another place which roasts on-site and used to date their beans...but no longer. Purchased some there as they were not quite as stale ;)

    The thing that amazed me though was the pricing of the Fairtrade Timor at the first place. Now why, when Fairtrade costs very little more than the regular stuff, do we see a premium of over $10 per kilo placed on FT?? The one served in our place went up 80 cents a kilo and decaf came down 50 cents when we went Fairtrade....

    Now if 10 bucks was getting back to the grower, all good and well...but we all know its mere cents....I suspect that I know where the extra cash is going.... :(

    2mcm

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    on fairtrade, its sad that people are cashing in and making profits from what was supposed to be given back to the growers. heard of a story where a coffee shop offered a cup of fairtrade coffee for $0.50 extra on normal prices. thats a biiig mark-up.

    i really do wonder about fairtrade.

    bon, i do agree that there is a price difference between buying green beans and roasted looking at the bottom line alone. but agree with FC, you do pay for the labour in roasting the beans and service you get (or should be getting).

    having recently discovered the joys of home-roasting, it is definitely cheaper but requires a bit of time and effort. some people dont mind paying for service and convenience. in any case, buying roasted beans is still definitely cheaper than buying a coffee from a cafe $2.50+ a shot (but requires your time and effort in making it... same thing again). comes down to you...

    2mcm, yeah, learning that price is not a reliable indicator of goodness and freshness. thats life i suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2muchcoffeeman link=1165314330/0#12 date=1165381602

    Just last week I visited a rather famous Brunswick St place to pick up some beans for a class. I was faced by many buckets of the stuff....all nice and glossy and stale.....
    I have to agree with fc on the you pay for the expertise bit, but if 2mcm is talking about the place Im thinking of, they also have a "dealership" in Glenhuntly Rd - not quite so many buckets there, but their whole beans dont exactly seem to be high turnover. So yes, in that case, Id say $40 a kilo is a rort. While they may be experts, Id rather pay someone for their expertise AND for fresh product...

    And to Bon - hey, just give the home roasting a go. Im by no means good at it yet, Ive only been doing it a couple of weeks, but the learning curve is half the fun. At least you know theyre fresh, and even a dud batch is going to taste better than some of the product out there. And its so cheap that if you buy 5kgs, even if you stuff up the first 4, youll still come out in front, and youll have learned a lot on the way.

    Besides, statistics prove that the fact that you roasted the beans yourself is guaranteed to make them taste 42% better than a non-home roasted alternative, at least in your own mind...

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    Ok, I feel like an asswipe seeing as I got this wrong. I didnt realise CS was a non-profit site and didnt factor in all the costs a commercial roaster has.

    The differentation in prices from SOs and blends doesnt seem like a great deal to me, maybe more of a premium should be attached to blends?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bon link=1165314330/15#15 date=1165393145
    Ok, I feel like an asswipe seeing as I got this wrong. I didnt realise CS was a non-profit site and didnt factor in all the costs a commercial roaster has.

    The differentation in prices from SOs and blends doesnt seem like a great deal to me, maybe more of a premium should be attached to blends?
    I think you have been a bit harsh on yourself there Bon. I am sure every knows you had good intentions with your query. Does make a difference in price of beans when you compare greens from here and retail with their added costs impacting retail price, and obviously fair enough. I am sure many people have had the same thought and you were the one who expressed it. So many people will now have the answer without actually expressing it themselves.
    Good luck with the bean hunt.

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    At the end of the day, Im really happy to pay whatever if I know I will get fresh beans everytime since so few places deliver it.

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    Fair questions, Bon. As you and 2mcm have pointed out, it is a great shame that purveyors of good quality, fresh coffee often have to compete on price whilst the same marketing slang that we have heard rehashed for the past half a decade justifies premium prices at places with great locations. The next time I hear the guy who is selling a T-grade "100% arabica" blend ask for $45/kg, Im going to have to restrain myself not to punch him in the face.

    Cheers,

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    You are coming across as an angry man tonight Luca with this post and the last post you made. Definately not a good night to take you on it would seem.
    I have avoided trying to spell any coffee products to avoid aggravating you further ;)

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    Nothing makes me more angry than people knowingly lying about the roast date - one roastery around here could never tell me the roast date when I walked in, now theyve taken to telling me fibs of roasted x day last week...

    I would rather they be honest & upfront about what theyre selling, so I can make an informed choice. At least that way Im more likely to walk away and not be so inclined to speak bad to the less informed public who dont really know any better buying their pre-ground beans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coffeechaser link=1165314330/15#19 date=1165401021
    You are coming across as an angry man tonight Luca with this post and the last post you made. Definately not a good night to take you on it would seem.
    I have avoided trying to spell any coffee products to avoid aggravating you further ;)

    I just ran "aggravating" through the dictionary. Your spelling checks out. This time ;P

    Cheers,

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    I took a bit of a gamble with it Luca, didnt quite look right so I had my doubts but glad Dr Dictionary cleared it up for me.



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