$100,000!?!?!?! Thats a hell of a lot of coffees.
Moneys always a touchy subject so I hope someone can answer this without thinking Im seeking information on what they personally earn, but Im curious as to how much people get paid for making coffee. Obviously the working-my-way-through-uni baristas dont get as much as the top professionals, and some employers may pay well above the average mark for someone who is a real asset to their shop (an article in The Age suggests $100k for the top ones! http://www.theage.com.au/news/epicur...290445781.html; but Im sure theres a general range for, say, newbie, few years experience, and 6+ years experience.
$100,000!?!?!?! Thats a hell of a lot of coffees.
In NSW I have not had any success at finding out what, if any award exists for baristas. So most, IMO, would be paid under the Shop Assistants Award which, is about 17 bucks an hour gross for a casual worker. You can go to the NSW government webpage to check for yourself what the award pay rate should be. This is the pay rate that I am employed under.
If there is a baristas award then I wouldnt mind finding it out but so far have had no luck in finding one in NSW.
I also couldnt find a specific one for baristas in NSW scoota.
Ive been quoted around $15 to $16/hour as award rate for those couple of jobs Ive tried to get.
So sounds about right.
Heres a thought though, show the boss a copy of that article Greg posted the link to.
I might print out a copy and take it to my next interview.
Just emailed her the link! :D
Gotta wonder where the Age got their information from though, TG.
When I first started the barista gig I was around $16/hr....so that seems on par with many young newbie baristas out there. Thats what waiters and bar staff get around the 18 year old mark.
Over the last two years it has steadily increased with my experience. Id rather not discuss my current wage, but it was negotiated.
$100k per annum.....sign me up!! ::)
In NSW, it depends on the type of business you work in. If the premises sells mostly takeaway food and beverages, then youre covered by the NSW Shop Employees Award. If its mainly eat in then its the NSW Restaurants and Employees Award. If you work in a food business attached to a pub, then those awards are over-ridden by the federal Hotel Employees award. Either way they all cover baristas, you just have to look carefully. The pay rate would range from $14-$17 per hour.
So at $17 an hour
4 weeks leave
Leaves 285 days
$100,000 / 285 = 20 hours a day.
Im talking award rates. Of course a really good coffee shop is going to pay a really good barista more. In most cases though you are lucky to get the award, certainly in my neck of the woods.
Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1171269337/0#7 date=1171284843
Lets rearrange this equation
$100,000/285 days = $350.9/day
($350.9/day) / (9 hours/day) = ~$40/hr. Expensive to hire, but reasonable if the operations is high volume and the baristas skills warrant that much pay.
It could factor in tips and output bonuses for every kilo over x amount, or shots per kilo, etc. as well.
Just because it was written in some article in the paper doesnt mean its true... half of the crap journalists write is just that, crap.
As an owner I dabbled with bonuses and incentives. When I experimented with the kilo bonus our bean use sky rocketed but the volume of coffees sold was static, one operator suggested I was shooting myself in the foot because some of the best margins were in the no caffienated drinks(chai etc)Originally Posted by Bon link=1171269337/0#10 date=1171307141
I opted for a weekly bonus based on my own biased, subjective, flawed interpretation of what happened on the floor. Needless to say this is only good if you are actually there, watching, listening etc
I know of some baristas working 6 days a week (early morning - mid arvo) pulling in $800 - $2000 clear
However, those on the upper end of the scale, pushed alot of coffee out the door but on top of that they were also managing the place for the owner thus doing a hell of a lot more than just pressing water through the grind
Doesnt work choices (Dare I say those 2 words) override the state awards if youre starting fresh??
Question is, are quality Baristas in demand?
You hash out your award or wages with the employer. Its called negotiation. If you agree to be paid award, so be it. You can never be paid below award wages.
Originally Posted by nunu link=1171269337/0#14 date=1171322504
Thats why the average barista is a young person - the award for a school leaver is much less then a grown up.
I reckon a Barista earning 100k would be there as a name to pull in business as well as for their work with coffee.
If youre in a cafe going through 60kg a week, one really solid barista is certainly an asset, regardless of their name. Remember that good baristi can do more than just make coffee. Andrew used to basically run Maltitude from behind the espresso machine.Originally Posted by grendel link=1171269337/15#16 date=1171323551
Luca "paid in beans" C
I basically work early morning to mid arvo....I earn somewhere in between that ballpark given.Originally Posted by Alucard link=1171269337/0#12 date=1171316083
Thats more than I earn and Im on 2nd level IT desktop support ... Me thinks of alternate career ;-)Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1171269337/15#18 date=1171325997
Didnt the Fair Pay commission (IE IR reforms) set a minimum wage (independant of what industry you work in) ? Wasnt it set at lower than $17 per hr?? Asking the question because I actually dont know....Originally Posted by nunu link=1171269337/0#14 date=1171322504
There was an ad recently in the SMH where one of the things they were after was competition experience.Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1171269337/0#13 date=1171318261
Ladies and gentlemen.
Somewhere in all the above lies an answer.
If you pay a *capable* ( I didnt say "experienced" because that covers people that have worked in cafes for a very long time, and during all that time they are still doing all the wrong things with coffee) Espresso Machine Operator $25.00 an hour, because of their capability, and they also take responsibility within the establishment for a certain amount of its management (ordering, supervision of minor staff etc) , and they work around a 35 hour week not accounting for penalty rates etc, then you have a reasonable (I think) ball park figure in reply to the question at hand.
25 x 35 x 52 = $45,500.00 per annum.
Someone that puts in more hours, gets more!
Note also, that not all establishments have a very large turn over of coffee, & the average establishment simply wouldnt be able to pay EMOs (espresso machine operators) any more than that...the job simply isnt worth it and lets not forget that being an EMO is nothing more than a job, just like all our respective jobs in ordinary life, where no one gets paid more than a job is worth.
yea i think i recall it being something like 13 dollars an hour. as far as awards go for many people in hospitality they are pretty meaningless due to the huge percentage of places that pay all but there managers in cash. 100k per annum just isnt realistic for the amount of money that can be made on coffee plus, rent and other overheads. In melbourne the places doing the right thing and paying all staff properly can find it hard to compete against places that dont.Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1171269337/15#20 date=1171329860
Aint that the truth. Thats one of my fathers favourite sayings.Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee link=1171269337/15#22 date=1171332321
How much profit is in a cup of coffee? Im just thinking that you would have to sell a lot of coffees to justify a $100,000 pa wage. A wage like that would mean that the business is turning over a fair bit more than $100,000.
Well Im heading off to a cafe this Friday for a couple of hours to see how things go. The pays a big step down but I guess one cant expect to start in a new industry at the same point as where one has experience. The latte I had there was OK, milk a bit hot and coffee flavour fairly mild and flat, but not unpleasant. Apparently they use the grinder-mounted tamper too! :o
Good luck there Greg......Originally Posted by Greg Pullman link=1171269337/15#25 date=1171344042
Just forget you know how to do it properly - just do it "their way" and they will be happy.
Maybe you can sneak one of your tampers in after a few days ;)
Or show up with a briefcase full of various sized tampers and serve a properly made cuppa to the interviewer alongside one made their way. ;)Originally Posted by JavaB link=1171269337/15#26 date=1171344392
Java "One of these days Ill own a GP tamper!" phile
Im guessing a 14-15year old gets paid around $8-$10 per hour? Would it make any difference if you have the skill and able to pull art?
probably not...no one takes you seriously at that age no matter what skills you have.
Very true!Originally Posted by Wushoes link=1171269337/15#29 date=1171346521
Except for us, Coffee Kid. :DOriginally Posted by marcstolk link=1171269337/30#30 date=1171404675
Owell, i guess the experience is worth more then the money at that age. :)
yes it is...you have to start somewhere
I looked up the Australian Job Search website in the Careers section. I typed in Barista and it suggested to look under Waiter as they put this in the same category. They average weekly earning for this type of job to be approx $570 per week. This doesnt mention though how many hours pe week this is. but averaging 40hrs / wk with take it to $15 p/h.
Seems to be a fairly common answer on estimates. maybe a little higher for older staff.
How much coffee does a cafe have to sell to justify big wages?
How about to pay the rent!
One of inner-Melbournes best-known Italian cafes, Brunettis, is disputing its rent in Carlton being increased by a further $100,000 from the current $340,000. All up, $440,000 per year.
Yes, that is an awful lot of coffees (and cannoli )--- just to cover the rent, never mind the wages, insurance tax and profit.
As far as "award wages" for baristi, or anyone else --apart from those on the poverty line-- there are none.
Awards have been replaced by enterprise agreements negotiated between employees, union and employer, then registered with the Industiral Relations Commission.
The Fair Pay Commission sets the minimum for people like cleaners, hospitality staff and childcare workers: about $14 an hour.
There it is... I couldnt in good conscience pay someone to clean at that price... slave labour... especially in Sydney.. the most expensive city to live in... Anyway.. erring off topic here... swinging back now ;-)Originally Posted by robusto link=1171269337/30#35 date=1171522244
The $14 an hour is for full-time work. Casuals earn a little more because they get no holidays, sick days etc.
So unskilled casual baristas paid the minimum would get around $17 per hour.
That rent increase does seem extreme.
I mean what does the building owner do for it?
Sits back and counts the money.
Actually, he/\/she might be finally getting it positively geared... who knows... but still... thats a huge increase... My landlord just raised our house rent by $35 per week... my eyeballs were clearly seen when I saw the letter :o... Its happening everywhere,.... rents are going through the roof.....no thanks to a useless state government in NSW >:( no one wants to invest in a tax heavy state...Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1171269337/30#38 date=1171620280
Not by any means trying to justify a $2000 per week rent hike, but rents have to relate to a sites potential, capital outlay and profitability.
Unfortunately, with the property boom, capital value has gone through the roof, and everything moves upward accordingly: rates, property tax, insurance....and rents to cover them.
i pay my baristi above award wages and I would say that they earn every cent of it.
I know a few coffee makers though who are employed locally earning $10 pr / hr cash to work nights and wknds which is a bloody disgrace if you ask me!
The key word here is "Property Tax" Say no more..!!!Originally Posted by robusto link=1171269337/30#40 date=1171629767
Originally Posted by marcstolk link=1171269337/30#30 date=1171404675
Agreed! Im only seventeen but make better coffee and latte art than some top metropolitan cafes I visit. (not meaning to toot my own horn, but her I had a laugh) BUT because of my age I wasnt even earning $10! I worked as head barista and supervisor. Stingy boss! I had a laugh I had to work 30+ hours a week to earn a decent living and finish school!
lucky for me school is over bahaa
I didnt read this thread the first time around... just read it all then. Somewhere it changed from average wage to how to justify $100k.
Davids math to get to a top wage $100k...
and Fresh Coffees to get to an over-average $45k...$350.9/day) / (9 hours/day) = ~$40/hr. Expensive to hire, but reasonable if the operations is high volume and the baristas skills warrant that much pay.
both make sense.25 x 35 x 52 = $45,500.00 per annum.
If I was looking for a top person, who attracted business (ie: coffee skill, good looks, personality, people and management skills) then I would prefer to drop $50 per hour on that person than hire 3 x 16yo bubblegumers for $14/hr.
Oh, before I get flamed, "good looks" (male or female) while not legal to put on the position description is a BIG factor in getting top dollar for front of house positions.
Damn! My career as a barista is over before it began.Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1171269337/30#44 date=1211459938
Bummer! :(Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1171269337/30#44 date=1211459938
Well, if thats the case, being a 1 man op, then it must be customers peering at my [s]sagging[/s] honed physique whilst pullin the god-shots that keep em coming back ;)Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1171269337/30#44 date=1211459938
Think you had a typo there Tony, but I fixed it for you...Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1171269337/45#47 date=1211461466
Well, if thats the case, being a 1 man op, then it must be customers peering at my [s]honed[/s] sagging physique whilst pullin the god-shots that keep em coming back ;)