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    The price of large coffees

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    Does anyone else object to paying extra for a large coffee in a coffee shop while still only getting a single 30ml shot of espresso, and then having to pay extra on top again for additional shots?.

    I experienced this in Zaraffas the other week when I asked for a large flat white and asked how many shots of coffee they put in it. I was amazed when they said they only put 1 in, considering the size of their largest coffee is probably around 500ml. Personally, I would want at least 3 or even 4 shots in a cup this size, but at 50c a shot extra on top, the cost was getting ridiculous.

    I sent off an e-mail to Zaraffas asking why they charge extra for large coffees but don’t add any extra coffee and got the following response.

    "all Zarraffas Coffee stores serve the hot drinks with one shot of coffee in the short, tall, grande sizes, this is so that the customer can add ˝ or full shot, double or triple shot to there desired drink thus “Striving to make an individual perfect cup of coffee every time”.

    I think I’ll be sticking to my local small coffee shop in future which happily gives you an extra shot without charging for it.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    eww...I reckon have one small (ie standard 150-200ml) really good one rather than a yankee influenced supersized bucket of grey swill. Supersizing leads to supersized waistlines as well! ;)

    Nevertheless, a 300ml drink (typical large) should have 2 shots in it and charging for the second is an absolute cop out....I think beyond 300ml, all you can expect is mediocrity.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Im with 2mcm. Its hard enough getting a decent standard size coffee let alone one of these milkshake-sized, boiled milks. I drink coffee for the flavour - if Im thirsty, I drink water!

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Ill get a large when I have faith in the person making it - but it really is ... a big ask of some baristas <groan>.

    I never go for a non standard size unless the person making it has got points on the board already.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Personally I cant understand why anyone would want a coffee in a paper cup!!!

    The local Zarraffas up the street always has a line of people waiting to be served............they must have plenty of money for what they are buying; I always thought warm milk was for babies !





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    Re: The price of large coffees

    I normally avoid the large ones as well but I was being dragged to the cinema so I needed a long fix.

    In theory, with the correct amount of coffee and a correctly trained barista, one of these jumbo sized coffees should be as good as a normal sized coffee. Mind you, how many decent baristas would you find working on Sunday afternoons in big chain coffee shops.

    Anyway, my gripe was with the extra charges. The whole issue of taste is another matter. Talking of taste, my machines been on now for 45 mins so I feel a double espresso coming on.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    I give many of my regulars a double shot and some even 4 ristretto into a small (8oz) takeaway.
    All my large (12oz) get a double shot or 2 doubles...all at no extra charge.
    But im not your standard cafe owner, the snob within can be too dominant...not the best for running a business but I appreciate customers who appreciate good coffee.


    tastes better in a smaller cup, usually means its made with a smaller jug and the milk seems to taste better that way ive found.

    then again, been to some places that only use 1.5litre jugs for all sizes...they just top up the jug after each coffee... ::)

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    I had a large one today from the good Baristas at Naked Coffee in Brissy. Its a bit of a walk from my office so I make the most of it :)

    Gar can understand what you mean how can they make a large on a single shot!!! Typical crap chain stores...

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    I prefer a double shot in a regular size.
    I can then compare all establishments against my benchmark.

    I made the mistake once recently of being distracted by someone I was talking to instead of watching the girl behind the machine.

    My double shot ended up being two illy pod shots in a large cup. <shudder>

    BTW Zaraffas reply is a load of codswallop if they dont advertise the fact in store.
    Whod knowingly buy a grande with one shot?
    I wouldnt mind paying extra for a larger cup, after all theres more milk, but at the same time Id expect the coffee ratio to be the same.
    i.e. a cup twice as big, should have twice as much coffee as in the smaller cup.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Most cafes battle to make a decent regular size capucino or latte, they usually resemble a cup of hot milk with some chocolate sprinkled on top.
    So a large size would only be extra milky at a premium price. Stay away from those horrible Yankee inspired brews.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    I wish more baristas were like takeaim. Ive ordered short blacks before where the barista uses a double basket. There arent any other orders for coffee at the time and they just let the second spout pour away into the drip tray. Its a waste of some pretty good coffee.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    I went for a coffee this afternoon and was pleased to see that my loyalty card was up to the free one.
    The barista gave me my card back, I still got my coffee and Ill get the free one off the card next time.

    Mind you hes waiting on a sample of my home roast later on this week.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    As a matter of course at my work we serve one shot in an 8oz, 2 shots in a 12oz and 3 shots in a 16oz - and were happy to offer an extra shot at no extra charge!

    Thats the way it should be - not pussy-footing around with half-arsed answers!

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Quote Originally Posted by askthecoffeeguy link=1186466377/0#12 date=1186494706
    As a matter of course at my work we serve one shot in an 8oz, 2 shots in a 12oz and 3 shots in a 16oz - and were happy to offer an extra shot at no extra charge!

    Thats the way it should be - not pussy-footing around with half-arsed answers!

    Pat
    Great answer ;)

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    At Cibo rundle street they give you the extra shots relevant to size gratis, but if you want an extra shot on top of that - youve still got to pay for it, and yes I have also seen that extra coffee go down the drain too - I cringe inwardly everythime I see it.

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    Re: The price of large coffees


    Bottom line is: most people are really wanting a warm and fuzzy cup of milk and have never experienced good coffee.

    I ordered a macchiato [the safe espresso] at the airport some time ago and was asked "do I want it small, med or large"................how does that work?

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    I ordered a macchiato in Darwin a couple of months back and was served what I can only guess should have been called a latte macchiato (milk stained with coffee...not coffee stained with milk). I politely refused the coffee, "not what I ordered" (reply - "but this is a macchiato"), and went elswhere.

    Oh well, live and learn - though if only the cafes would learn in the first place. ::)

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Quote Originally Posted by askthecoffeeguy link=1186466377/0#12 date=1186494706
    As a matter of course at my work we serve one shot in an 8oz, 2 shots in a 12oz and 3 shots in a 16oz - and were happy to offer an extra shot at no extra charge!

    Thats the way it should be - not pussy-footing around with half-arsed answers!

    Pat

    Same here Pat although,

    1.we do not offer 16 oz cups

    2. more often than not it is a double ristretto in the 8 oz!!

    Craig.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    not that im taking the other side... esp against the chains...but if youre asking for an extra shot why cant a cafe charge for that? do you think they get the coffee for free? not to mention the coffee grinds that are thrown away at the end of the day... it all adds up and businesses arent a charity. I charge 50c more for our takeaways because the cup costs me 40c, and it does have extra milk.... which you also have plenty of daily wastage of, and certainly the milk people dont sell their milk cheaply....

    I agree, you should never have a large coffee, even mug size is a joke/trick, and most unladylike IMHO.

    the trick is, make friends with your local cafe owner, they wont charge you extra ;)

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    How much does it cost to collect and clean the china cups?
    The cost of a coffee should allow for all the overheads.
    How much extra do you charge for sugar?
    How much does that extra shot cost you?

    I got a free coffee yesterday as they know me so well now, so Im not taking sides either. I grew up in a cafe.

    But dont forget to answer my questions.

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    I can tell you that dine in is no less expensive than take away

    Before we got a commercial glass washer at my work we were employing someone 8 hrs a day just to wash the cups - tell me that doesnt soon add up!

    As for serving 12 and 16oz coffees - I purposely keep my entry price for coffees as competitive as possible in an already competitive coffee environment (22 cafes on campus and counting) - but my medium and large coffee sales make up half of my total coffee sales, and this is where I can get my margin

    Sometimes its not enough to keep the customer happy - you gotta keep the bank manager and the accountant happy at the same time - not to mention the mrs!

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Quote Originally Posted by blue link=1186466377/15#18 date=1186571914
    but if youre asking for an extra shot why cant a cafe charge for that? do you think they get the coffee for free?
    Umm i dont think anyone is expecting an extra shot for free... The point here is that if you are paying extra for a 12oz cup you should be getting extra coffee as well as extra milk! As thundergod said earlier the ratio should be the same coffee:milk no matter if you buy a 8, 12 or 16 oz.

    Uni sells a 12oz for $3.50 with only 1 shot, each extra is 50c. I dont drink coffee there btw far too many things wrong for me to mention here I had a laugh ;D. When on the road the other day i drove through SBs for the first time and a 12oz cap cost me $4.60, watched the girl pour a single into it & when she handed the scalding cup i drove straight to the the bin removed the lid for a sticky beek (ahh nice cap the foam was gone on the 5m drive & it had the biggest bubbles in it Ive ever seen) straight in the bin with that one! No taste test required!!! Ewwwww

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Let me start by saying...

    Milk is getting expensive! :o

    We put our coffee prices up again the other day. $2.60 for a cup, $3.10 for a mug or latte. Our takeaways, $3.50 and $4.00 now.

    I put a double shot in our large coffees and dont charge extra but then, Im not your average barista either! ;D

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1186466377/15#22 date=1188090371
    Let me start by saying...

    Milk is getting expensive! *:o

    Understatement. paid $5.50 today per 2 litre milk (had to buy 5),

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    Re: The price of large coffees

    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1186466377/15#22 date=1188090371
    Let me start by saying...

    Milk is getting expensive! :o

    We put our coffee prices up again the other day. $2.60 for a cup, $3.10 for a mug or latte. Our takeaways, $3.50 and $4.00 now.

    I put a double shot in our large coffees and dont charge extra but then, Im not your average barista either! ;D
    Use a little less milk? Theres too much milk anyway. I use 2 shots in a 220/240ml glass at home. I think that is slightly bigger than a regular and slightly smaller than a large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1186466377/0#8 date=1186486162
    I wouldnt mind paying extra for a larger cup, after all theres more milk, but at the same time Id expect the coffee ratio to be the same.
    Thats if you get a milky coffee. At least with a latte, etc you get more milk (a bit more worth the extra cash and milk at least has some flavour).

    I hate getting charged more for a large long black when all they do is add more water. Extra weak coffee anyone?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod link=1186466377/0#8 date=1186486162
    i.e. a cup twice as big, should have twice as much coffee as in the smaller cup.
    Definitely! If Im paying for more coffee, I want MORE COFFEE! Not just extra water.



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