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    Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

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    I grabbed the standard set of these a couple weeks ago from Di Bartoli.

    The idea appealed to me as an engineer. For some particular grind, if we fill the basket consistently and knock the grinds down consistently, we can use the tools to remove excess coffee and we know that there is precisely the same amount of coffee in the basket every time. Sounds good! Now we can try some grind-tool combo to see what works and what we like.

    Now, I have always been able to get good pours from my double basket. I have never been able to get anything from my single. I always level off flat with the basket and this is too much coffee. Never worked right. No idea on how to get a consistent reference since the only good one didnt work. So I dialled in tool-less on my double basket. And started experimenting with different tools on my single basket. 4 tries later, great pours from a single basket!

    Yay!

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    I have always set my grinder at work for a double handle...and for singles I scoop out heaps...probably a #26 to #28 scoop depending on the grind setting on the grinder. I used to do this with my fingers...digging out coffee from the single basket...I still do when I cant find the right number scoop to use.

    Glad you liked your purchase.

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    This sounds interesting, anyone know where in melb i can buy a set of this tool?

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cafe zeenuts link=1191679696/0#2 date=1191697267
    This sounds interesting, anyone know where in melb i can buy a set of this tool?

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    hi zeenuts - the world is shrinking....postage is a wonderful thing. ;) Im sure di bartolis could arrange to send them down for you.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    ok thanks ill give them a call.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by cafe zeenuts link=1191679696/0#4 date=1191736006
    ok thanks ill give them a call.
    or send them a pm or email ;)

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    What are these tools pse? Any web site describing them; pictures? Price? Im not in Sydney so I can not go have a look.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tojo1 link=1191679696/0#6 date=1191811418
    What are these tools pse? Any web site describing them; pictures? Price? Im not in Sydney so I can not go have a look.
    Well, each tool has a number. The first one is 1. It is a little plastic rectangle. The length of about a pack of Wrigleys Extra gum, but half the width. The next one 2, has a very slight curve on one side. 3 is slightly more curved than 2 etc ... until you get to 30 which has a very pronounced curve (in the standard set, some guys have more).

    So the bigger the curve, the more it sticks into your basket when you sweep over it. Therefore the more coffee grinds you remove.

    If youre like me, theyre awesome. You can simply record grind settings and tool number against pour times for some bean. It removes some guess work, since once you have some experience, you know, "I need to go up 2 sizes" or whatever. You dont need crazy methods of dosing.

    Call up Di Bartoli on availability.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Hi Guys!

    Just posted a more detailed description of Scotties tools in our sponsor area: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?nu...932885/0<br /> and attached an image to this post.

    Let us know with any questions / comments / feedback, talking to Scottie yesterday, he is very much interested hearing from CSs about their findings working with his tools.


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    I have order a set from Di Bartoli on Tuesday im still waiting on delivery. Cant wait to try and see what this tool can do to help me improve my espresso shots.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    w00t just pick this tool kit up from the post office! :)



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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Mmm.. there are two versions, right? One version with 6 tools and other with 30.

    I know that the 6 tools version its "for home", however only 6 tools seems little... or 30 tools its too much?

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    I purchased the home set (6 tools) a few weeks ago and have only required tool #2 and #3 to date. 4 different varieties of beans have passed thru the grinder during that time. Some of the same beans have varied from 4 to 10 days post roast. I think 6 tools should be more than adequate, but I guess its still fairly early days.

    I am very happy with my purchase. *:). I was using what I think is referred to as the "overdose and collapse" method (does sound a bit suspect... :D) and then sweeping with the straight edge of a knife. Also tried sweeping with my finger slightly bent. The typical result once I locked in the portafilter was too high of a dose (VBM has a low shower screen), and/or inconsistency. The tools help to eliminate this.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    My wife reckons Scottys tool is heaps better than using her finger.
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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Hmmm :o


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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B40495A434A4751280 link=1191679696/14#14 date=1233226372
    Hmmm *:o
    I had a laugh
    Just reread that

    Elbeano, was that intentional?

    I had a laugh

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by 5473784945160 link=1191679696/15#15 date=1233226900
    Quote Originally Posted by 5B40495A434A4751280 link=1191679696/14#14 date=1233226372
    Hmmm *:o
    I had a laugh
    Just reread that

    Elbeano, was that intentional?

    I had a laugh

    Had to have a re read... *giggled like a schoolgirl ... * :( :( :(

    Does Scotty know what is going on... *He could charge even more for his services now *;D :D

    Opps... Maybe that post should be reported as advertising and spam... Did we realy want to know....

    I got to go get my wife and ask her to read the thread.... ;)

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    yeah - this could get really obscene - but I wont go there :)

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    ...best bet would be to buy the wifey one and see if it works......eh,what are you folks going on about?........hehe!

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Are there any videos anywhere demonstrating the tools? I know Scotty did the VMB how-to vids, but didnt use the tools during the vids.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Check youtube, Im sure Ive seen him use them on some of his latte art vids. Though the focus is on the art, not the dosing tools themselves.

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    taa, checking

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    I got Scotties tools (the domestic 6 tool set) at Di Bartolis (at a latte art course), where we were shown by the man himself how he uses them:

    - dose to about half full, tap twice on bench;
    - dose again till mound on top, tap twice on bench;
    - use tool to (quickly) chop up clumping (if necessary);
    - strike the tool across the basket (excess grounds back into doser or knock box).

    Obviously, the grind setting is the first thing to get right, but the dosing tools enable a finer adjustment after that and can take into account the shower screen height of your particular machine. I generally use the #2 or 3 tools with my double basket, although I find I can use the #6 tool with the single basket without adjusting grind or technique.

    I love the SC dosing tools, I get great consistency with them and I think Id be lost now without them.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Exactly GregJW

    Its been a great help, and actually surprised me the different levels needed for different beans etc.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    generally you have to pay to get the websites with demonstrations

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by 477076666D7C050 link=1191679696/12#12 date=1233105922
    I purchased the home set (6 tools) a few weeks ago and have only required tool #2 and #3 to date.
    Exactly,
    I dont think theres any problem with just making those tools at home. its not a rocket science to cut those two (or 6 or 66 pieces) with different curves to suit your needs. I couldnt understand why those tools are so expensive when you buy them

    my machine has a low shower screen, so I had to do this - took a pair of scissors, few old plastic cards and voila!

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    I had a chance to ask Scottie about his tools today (no puns, please!) and he uses them himself and loves them.

    Apparently the "home" set have sold really well!

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    I have the home set, and use them when I have visitors or I dont feel like getting my fingers dirty. I still like the specific feel of compression and distribution under my curved finger for my own shots.

    Gregs description of Scotties technique sounds like a more accurate way to do it compared to my current technique with the tools - overfill, compress a little/distribute on-the-go NSEW with slanted tool, then vertically scrape back into doser. Ive been finding a bit much variation with this method and reverted to the finger.

    Time to try Scotties technique methinks. Perhaps a typed scrap of paper with Scotties suggestions could come packaged with the home tools?

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Quote Originally Posted by 506572705D40170 link=1191679696/22#22 date=1233284919
    - strike the tool across the basket (excess grounds back into doser or knock box).

    Greg
    Only once? Not North-South and East-West?

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    Did anyone notice if Scottie used them on the weekend ;P

    my machine has a low shower screen, so I had to do this - took a pair of scissors, few old plastic cards and voila!
    Thats really weird. *I always dose my Maver the same as I dose for a La Marzocco, which has a fairly high shower screen. *I have always had to dose less when using a giotto, vbm or expobar. *Perhaps you need to replace your gasket or install a spacer behind it?

    Only once? Not North-South and East-West?
    Thats how I use them. Personally, my approach to working out a dose/distribution regime is to start as simple as possible and only add steps if they achieve something. Going back and forth once strikes off and fills in the large holes towards the edge of the puck. It also delivers a consistent, repeatable dose ... provided that you have overdosed within the same ballpark and rapped against the forks the same number of times. If you are getting good shots, why would you add any more steps to it?

    Cheers,

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Thanks Luca. Ive never used them but thinking I should give them a try. I had read somewhere else the NS EW, but you are more convincing.

    Im using my finger at the moment and only go back and forth in one direction really come to think of it...straight index finger forward with curved little finger on the way back with a slight bend to the backward stroke though.

    Travis.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    I just bought a set of these as an accurate way of down dosing using a single basket. Im now not wasting as much coffee as I used to and my single pours are pretty good.

    My initial question is about the dial in and adjusting process for singles. What do people do?

    I dial in using the double basket with a straight edge to level. Once the grind is right I then swap to the single basket and starting with tool No 17 or 18 I adjsut from there. This sweeps out about the right amount so the group handle inserts easily. Does this sound OK? After all the cups taste OK

    My main question is, if the pour is too slow, as an example, do you change to a courser grind or sweep out more with a higher numbered tool and similarly if the rate is too fast do you grind finer or use a lower numbered tool to sweep out less?

    One cafe I visited who use these regularly said they get the grind roughly right then starting with tool No 20 on their double baskets they adjust accordingly.

    Im curious how others do their adjusting, dial in and fine tuning.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E7D6E6E751C0 link=1191679696/31#31 date=1267322560
    My main question is, if the pour is too slow, as an example, do you change to a courser grind or sweep out more with a higher numbered tool and similarly if the rate is too fast do you grind finer or use a lower numbered tool to sweep out less?
    Either way will have the same effect.
    Use whichever method you are more comfortable with.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    I think it is easier to use the tools to alter the pour than adjust the grinder but one thing I have noticed while experimenting that if you grind finer and sweep out more (higher numbered tool) you get a sweeter shot than grinding courser and sweeping out less.

    From now on Im going to grind finer to start with. How do others use the dosing tools?


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    Quote Originally Posted by 4F4C5F5F442D0 link=1191679696/33#33 date=1267333007
    I have noticed while experimenting that if you grind finer and sweep out more (higher numbered tool) you get a sweeter shot than grinding courser and sweeping out less.
    Quote Originally Posted by 113C383439550 link=1267153140/8#8 date=1267188349
    Ive found after heaps of experimenting (quite a while ago), that slightly underdosing and adjusting the grind to compensate, produces espresso that is noticeably sweeter - especially the crema.

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    Is there an auditor in the house? ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 787F7E6A797F6C796A657F0B0 link=1191679696/35#35 date=1267341269
    Is there an auditor in the house? ;)
    ???

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Is this true? As im more of a courser grind, pack more in kinda guy

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A465B404A4B5C49414A2E0 link=1191679696/34#34 date=1267335396
    barri wrote on Today at 15:56:
    I have noticed while experimenting that if you grind finer and sweep out more (higher numbered tool) you get a sweeter shot than grinding courser and sweeping out less.

    Mal wrote on 26. Feb 2010 at 23:45:
    Ive found after heaps of experimenting (quite a while ago), that slightly underdosing and adjusting the grind to compensate, produces espresso that is noticeably sweeter - especially the crema. *

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2A293A3A21480 link=1191679696/36#36 date=1267351081
    ???
    TG is trained as an auditor - I was making a comment on his excellent attention to detail...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7E464F5A6C41572E0 link=1191679696/37#37 date=1267353773
    Is this true? As im more of a courser grind, pack more in kinda guy
    I trust Mals palate.
    However if you think about it, a finer grind will give you a ristretto, therefore sweeter.

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    Hi All...

    Im not sure of the reason(s) for why, just noticed it as an effect on the palate. Luca made mention of it probably 18 Months to 2 Years ago (maybe even longer, Ive got terrible recall of the passage of time) so I thought Id give it a try then. As a result, Ive been pouring my brews this way probably 60% of the time since then..... :)

    A very versatile little bean, Coffee..... 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 30293F3D5C0 link=1191679696/29#29 date=1233920391
    Did anyone notice if Scottie used them on the weekend ;P
    Actually, Scottie didnt use them (and he made some little joke about them being sold out ;D). He didnt use any striking off technique at all! Just counted the thwacks of the doser (very fast), a 3 tap collapse, counted more thwacks (one more thwack for espresso than for cap), them tamp. :o Awesome.

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E3D2E2E355C0 link=1191679696/33#33 date=1267333007
    From now on Im going to grind finer to start with. How do others use the dosing tools?
    Yeah, I try to grind fine to get a slow, drippy ristretto type pour. Obviously the first step is to have the grinder dialled in. With a stepped grinder, the tools come in handy for a slight adjustment to dose. They also come in very handy for switching from double to single basket (without adjusting the grind). By using a tool with a greater curve, I can get a correctly dosed single basket and a very nice single shot.

    The SC tools are very handy (for me) and I struggle without them now. (Gotta start counting thwacks!)

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    I used to use a credit card to level off but since winning my set of dosing tools Ive found that being able to take just a little more coffee out with the number 2 occasionally is a lot easier than adjusting the grind.

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    Re: Scott Callaghan Dosing Tools FTW

    Just one more question. I am curious as to those who have the full set whats the highest number dosing tool you have used?

    Ive used #28 which means I have to grind fairly fine (single basket) but the shots are good. *

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    Quote Originally Posted by 567B7F737E120 link=1191679696/40#40 date=1267371674
    Hi All...

    Im not sure of the reason(s) for why, just noticed it as an effect on the palate. Luca made mention of it probably 18 Months to 2 Years ago (maybe even longer, Ive got terrible recall of the passage of time) so I thought Id give it a try then. As a result, Ive been pouring my brews this way probably 60% of the time since then..... :)

    A very versatile little bean, Coffee..... 8-)

    Mal.
    Same here, i made a custom set of dosing tools........well 1 actually ;D out of a bit of perspex, now i use what looks to me about a number 20 in the form of a kids butter knife to level off, underdosing for me is defiantly producing some amazing sweet espresso 8-) plus i get more shots per bag too ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12163029292C33242B450 link=1191679696/44#44 date=1267575162
    i made a custom set of dosing tools........well 1 actually ;D
    Better get into production WSully - you can market them with:

    "With the WSully set you can use them all at once!" *;D


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    Quote Originally Posted by 62657E76716364100 link=1191679696/45#45 date=1267595421
    "With the WSully set you can use them all at once!"
    Yea! you could be my marketing manager! well make a fortune! at least the whole set will be utilised! and you could get a free set of steak knives(1 x childrens butter knife) if you pay by credit card!

    Im on to something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 474457574C250 link=1191679696/43#43 date=1267518205
    Just one more question. I am curious as to those who have the full set whats the highest number dosing tool you have used?

    Ive used #28 which means I have to grind fairly fine (single basket) but the shots are good. *
    I dont have the pro set but I use the #6 from the home set and its a pretty deep curve. Im not sure which number on the Pro set that corresponds to but judging from the photo near the top of this thread it would definitely be in the high 20s.

    As others have mentioned underdosing by that much requires a fine grind but I like the results Im getting.

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    I have both sets (dont ask me why?) and #6 on the home set corresponds to #21 on the full set. So my #28 is taking a lot out but Ive found sweeter shots with this dosage and a fine grind than using #20 and a courser grind.

    The difference between #20 and #28 is about 5mm in the center of the convex curve. So there is a only a small variation between each one going from #20 to #28 which allows for fine tuning.

    On a double basket I only use a range from #1 (dead flat) to about #5. Its the single basket that requires all the underdosing but Im no longer wasting coffee when I make a cup for myself.

    Im enjoying the experimenting. I guess thats the scientist, I.T. side of me.



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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    What I particularly enjoy about playing around with Dose(and grind) though, is that you can expand the available flavour profile of a particular bean by an extraordinary amount sometimes and there are times when Im looking for a particular style of espresso without the mucking around that swapping to different beans involves.

    It pays to experiment with every roast, bean, etc that you have access to. You just never know what you might be missing out on..... ;)

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