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    CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Sadly the realisation has come that a little black two door car is not completely practical for moving large amounts of beans around.
    :(

    So, Iím in the market for a van.
    8-)

    I started looking at the typical little panel van, Holden Combo, Citroen Berlingo, VW Caddy etc and while their 700kg odd weight capacity sounded good for moving brown beans around a bigger van that could take a pallet of green beans would be far more useful to both CS-Green and CS-Brown.

    I then started looking at second hand bigger vans but some of these have seen a world of abuse and the prices are not that far from new anyway. *By the time you factor factory warranty and 100,000km of wear n tear then a new van might be the best option although a good secondhand one would be closer to my budget.

    So my prerequisite features at the moment are:
    • Carrying capacity circa 1500kg
    • Bigger than 1200mm between the wheel arches.
    • At least 1200mm height at the back doors.
    • Barn doors on the back that open 180+ degrees (not a lift-up tailgate)
    • Cruise control (no +3km/h speeding fines on highway mileage)
    • Aircon (no sweaty beans or driver)
    • Minimal glass in the back (keep the sun off the important cargo)
    • Seats - one or more.
    • ABS would be nice (3000kg needs a lot or room to stop).
    • Drivers airbag (if the ABS wasnt enough help to stop 3000kg)
    • AM radio (6 stacker doof doof is not high on the list)


    I donít mind if its manual/auto/petrol/diesel/front wheel drive/rear wheel drive but would probably lean towards a diesel manual to help the planet but price is always a factor.

    Looked at a Renault Trafic while passing a car yard yesterday and first impression was "boy thatís ugly", second impression was "its not so bad" and apart from having a 1200kg payload (that I could live with) it might be ok.
    http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/photos.php?id=95181

    The Ford Transit SWB low roof could be worth a look but Ford locally wonít have any more till February.
    http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/photos.php?id=58401

    The VW Transporter, Merc Vito and Merc Sprinters are quite expensive (eg: the later is the same price I paid for a house in 1995) :o

    Online I spotted a couple of run-out early 2007 model Fiat Ducatoís too. *Fiat updated the Ducato in Feb this year (the new one is sooooo fugly) and the older shape ones are at about 20% less than the current model. *Might be the best value.
    http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/photos.php?id=56339

    Next weekend Iím going to have a look at a few options around Melbourne

    So I thought I would think out loud and draw on the wealth of knowledge in CS land to see if anyone can offer-up any first hand experience with this league of transport?
    (or maybe just bail-up your local courier to see what they like/dislike about their van)

    :)


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    Andy
    I dont know what they are like now, I did some work for a joinery co that had two VW Transporters, whilst easy to drive and comfyish they had a lot of mechanical probs with them,
    didnt help that most the guys driving them were muppets, but wait n see what others think.
    Hiaces and econovans have always been on my a list, hiace are pretty reliable, years ago I took a couple(on diff occassions) all over NSW doing PC upgrades as a techie for a bank so it was full of equipment and cargo that had to be bump protected if you get my drift, hiace won hands down. And pretty comfy easy to drive too.
    Hope that helps

    Sullos

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    Thanks Sullo.

    The VW transporter seemed like a whole wad of extra cash for nothing much more so I had advoided them. I had previously heard the Vito has a similar run of "mechanical bad luck".

    The Hiaces and Econovans I had not really looked at their load capacity is just over a tonne and they nearly all have a lift-up rear door which stops fork-lift loading.

    Still, one of those might be a fall-back.


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    Pretty sure the hiace sbv has barn doors from memory, I think its shorter then the normal hiace and also has capacity of a fold down seat in the rear too, although I could be wrong.
    And yep hear dinteresitng things about the Vitos too, forgot about that when I read the thread earlier.


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    Hiace SPV?
    Nicer looking than the standard Hiace for sure, looks like a Tarago boady not the normal Hiace box. I didnt know the model but Red Book is my friend
    ;)
    http://www.redbookasiapacific.com/au/vehicle/photos.php?id=101316


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    Gday Andy,

    I did a bit of similar research a while ago into suitable cab chassis, when I considered upgrading my mobile op. In the end I decided not to upgrade (budgetary reasons :(), but was quite impressed with the Merc Sprinter - primarily because of chassis layout nicely handling a weight dispersal. Yeah, theyre not cheap, but hear they can take a thrashing.

    Stay clear from the Ford Transits - the ambos commissioned a fleet up here in Qld & from what Ive heard have had major probs with transmission failures.

    Have fun test-driving ;)

    Tony

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    Merc Sprinter eh? Ill have another look but I think the premium is out of reach. The "silver star" sits with snob signage well though.
    :)

    Transit? Interesting. I assume that was the new model with the clutchless manual? Silly little buttons on the steering wheel to change gears might work in an F1 but not so good on a daily use comuter.

    Thanks for the tips, the more the better as you are never going to hear any gotchas from the car dealers unless I can get them to slag-off their competition.

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Andy,

    I just threw out all my brochures on the VW Caddy. Worth checking out. They take a pallett and have the barn doors, no windows option.

    The crowd I am with have 36 on the road with 30 on back order. Getting rave reviews in terms of comfort, economy, payload. Most are the diesel option.

    In a previous life had a lot to do with various versions of the Merc and not good reports particularly with driver comfort which surprised me.



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    I love kicking this stuff around with CSrs, itís like a distributed committee that actually works!

    36 on the road and 30 on order! Wow, do they want to garage one here?
    ;)

    The Caddy was high on my list when I was looking at the smaller vans, it has slipped down a little as the load is only 700kg odd (3/4 of a chep pallet) but I agree it seems like the leader in that small van market.

    Driver comfort didnt really make my wish list but I guess I should keep it in mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1195993710/0#8 date=1196081633
    I love kicking this stuff around with CSrs, itís like a distributed committee that actually works!

    36 on the road and 30 on order! Wow, do they want to garage one here?
    ;)
    There probably is one in Geelong, keep your eyes peeled.

    That is why I am sorry I threw the brochure out because I couldnt remember the payload. I know it will fit a pallet but couldnt remember what weight.

    Comfort is a big issue, makes a huge difference if you are in it for any length of time.

    That is where the Toyotas are so good, but no barn doors, etc.

    It is all about compromise.

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    It is all about compromise.
    sigh... and head / pocket aches
    ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1195993710/0#10 date=1196143410
    It is all about compromise.
    sigh... and head / pocket aches
    ;)
    I thought that the collective community of edgy CSers hassling you for beans was the main source of aches for you mate! ;D

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    http://www.citroen.com.au/cms/default.asp?action=article&ID=10

    My dad drives one of these Andy, for his spare parts when he fixes the pokies up in Qld, and he loves it. Although it is only 800kg capacity, just thought you might want to know about it as you havent mentioned it yet.

    Ugly, but practical. ;D

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    Yeah, CSrs give aches but thats a given.. these are additional, compounding ones.
    :)

    Funny you mention the Berlingo Linda, it was where all this started. They look good on spec and are very cheap compared to the same sized vans in other flavours.

    The more I think about it the more I think I lean towards something that will carry more beans. If it was only for CS-Brown then that sized van would be perfect.

    If Ive bit the bullet and bought something to carry beans it might as well be something that can move large volumes of green beans too.


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    andy i have a Merc Vito diesel auto (more power) it gets 750 km to a 65 l tank runs good i love it. it like a car to drive serviceing 27000 km and its not to bad on cost. it got i think a 3 yr 200000 km warranty if you want to have a look at it i will see you sat in melb pick up

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    Excellent, a little circle work in Bond Street to test it?
    ;)

    Look forward to having a chat over one or two of Simons coffees.




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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Just buy a Chevy. You know you want one...

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1195993710/15#16 date=1196196836
    Just buy a Chevy. You know you want one...

    :D
    Now youre talking 8-)

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Quote Originally Posted by scoota gal link=1195993710/15#16 date=1196196836
    Just buy a Chevy. You know you want one...

    :D
    Nah- get a dual axle mack or kenworth and convert it to a ute :P

    That will give CS REAL cred. 8-)

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    or the hummer stretch...


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1195993710/15#19 date=1196211937
    or the hummer stretch...

    Errr, what is that long cylindrical object under the front half of the Hummer....
    some sort of rocket launcher?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1195993710/15#19 date=1196211937
    or the hummer stretch...

    mmm, we saw some of those in New York ... they had a spa, a bed and a bar in the back... should still be plenty of space to put coffee and stuff??? :-?

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bullitt link=1195993710/15#20 date=1196212770
    Quote Originally Posted by Dennis link=1195993710/15#19 date=1196211937
    or the hummer stretch...

    Errr, what is that long cylindrical object under the front half of the Hummer....
    some sort of rocket launcher?
    A step. I know not nearly as exciting as a rocket launcher.

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Ive driven a VW Transporter TDI on many occassions doing deliveries for work. Lots of grunt and plenty of space. Non-turbo in a VW Transporter and youll be struggling.

    Also fits the no windows criteria...but it is a real pain when trying to turn or change lanes...massive blind spot. Good turning circle and can parallel park in the thing no problems.

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Go the diesel then you can get stuck into making your own Biodiesel

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    both love to fart french fries.

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    Slightly off topic... but are you running a Landcruiser and a Peugeot on biodiesel?

    Too cool Neil!

    You might have just created a monster though. ;)

    I wonder what that would do to my factory warranty if I buy a new van?


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    I was I havent cooked up any for a while but still have some. The Pug has a leaky fuel pump on dino diesel but seals up when run on bio - guess I need to make some more BTW 40ish cpl makes it pretty good too. As for the warranty issues not sure but the Renault should certainly be fine as it is mandatory to have Bio in all the dino supplies as the ULSD was destroying pumps and injectors far too fast (sulphur = lubricity agent .5% bio returns ULSD to High sulphur levels of lubricity).

    Also as you can now purchase it far more readily it would be hard to prove against you. A friend of mine has run his 307hdi on home brew since new with no issues.

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    As a side note over here in the states various agencies are now going after people who make their own bio-fuels to collect the taxes that are due on them. Theres multiple taxes that are due on fuels and it matters not if they are homemade or made by one of the big boys.

    Free used oil is also getting hard to come by. Not too long ago restaurants were paying to have a company haul off their used oil. Then along came the home brewers who would take it for free. As demand picked up businesses were quick to take note and now theyre paying restaurants for their used oil.

    Your mileage will of course vary and your reality may bear little resemblance to mine but beware the bumps in the road. :D


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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Andy, another quick suggestion...

    Have you looked into the Iveco Daily light commercial vans? Bloke up the road uses one for his water courier business, & he raves about its grunt, durability, & reliability. Heres a link where you can download some specs:

    http://www.iveco.com.au/daily_van.htm

    Think theyre based in Dandenong down your way

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile link=1195993710/15#27 date=1196295612
    As a side note over here in the states various agencies are now going after people who make their own bio-fuels to collect the taxes that are due on them. Theres multiple taxes that are due on fuels and it matters not if they are homemade or made by one of the big boys.
    In theory the taxes are also due here but Ive not heard of anyone trying to collect.

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Quote Originally Posted by GrindOnDemand link=1195993710/15#28 date=1196474069
    Have you looked into the Iveco Daily light commercial vans?
    Now, this IS a workhorse and designed from the ground up to do the job, not adapted from some sort of multi-purpose chassis.... Dont expect they would be too cheap though :-?

    Mal.

    Although, this doesnt seem too bad :)

    Even used ones look pretty reasonable....http://www.motorsm.com/AUS/cars/used...y.asp?aid=6622

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    Depends how you define cheap Mal!

    I believe they range from about $42k for 8 cubic mtrs of space in the back, to about $52k for 15 cubes. Seem to recall reading somewhere that their light comm chassis are a consolidated version of their heavy commercial counterparts - so youre right, a bloody good & strong workhorse ;) Way out of my budget though :(

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    I looked at a Iveco Daily today
    (insert Arthur Daley flashback here)

    They look good but boy are they BIG.

    I went to "Van World", corny but a good place to see a whole pile of new and secondhand vans in a row. Run around with a tape messure and make sure a pallet fit between the arches.

    One "gotcha" I found today is that all second hand vans in Victoria are not covered by any car yard warranty. Commercial vehicles are exempt so if it blows-up in a month, bad luck!


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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    A guy who fits or hydraulicks at work has a Iveco an his company is changing to Isuzu light Truck,while the Iveco cab chassis has a payload of 5 tonnes the turbo and gearbox couldnt cope so a fews years old and its had a new gearbox and two turbos.Seems it can carry 5tonne just not all the time and these hydro guys have a lot of gear.

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    How about a little pantech they are pretty cheap roller doors on the back no windows (linux only) bit fugly but not much worse than some of the other suggestions already.

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    Re: CoffeeSnobs needs a van.

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Beware of Iveco, we have had one from new for 4 years. It has had 2 new complete aircon systems, 8 fuel tanks, the turrent completely resprayed due to paint peel, broken gear box mount, numerous suspension problems, 3 radiators, fatigue in the body and on it goes. The repair shop that fixes the van gets on average one van per week from the dealer for warranty repairs :(
    We too are looking at an Isuzu truck.



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