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    Just out of curiousity I checked AQIS requirement for green coffee beans importation. There is this importation permit, which applies for 12 months per application per vendor/broker. Then if the order is more than 5 kg, it is considered commercial import...and the process can get really hairy (with inspection letter, quarantine, fumigation and stuff) :o

    Under 5 kilo...maybe, has anybody in this forum done it?

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by rudy link=1214186552/0#0 date=1214186551
    Just out of curiousity I checked AQIS requirement for green coffee beans importation. There is this importation permit, which applies for 12 months per application per vendor/broker. Then if the order is more than 5 kg, it is considered commercial import...and the process can get really hairy (with inspection letter, quarantine, fumigation and stuff) *:o

    Under 5 kilo...maybe, has anybody in this forum done it?

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    Hi Rudy, I am unsure why youd want to when a great variety of greens is available to you in BeanBay and from a number of sponsors just over yonder *:-?

    Its not as if youre going to save a lotto win by the time freight is factored in?

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Agree 2mcm, considering the excellent green stock sourced by Andy monthly, at very low price I might add.

    Just curious of the process, besides if one ever yearn to try for that certain coffee...

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Probably a related topic to this, I have a friend holidaying in Hawaii at the moment and hes said that they can get their hands on some Kona Hawaii beans and asked if Id like some. I mentioned that I prefer greens to roasted but wasnt sure what the AQIS requirements are for bringing them in. Its only going to be 1kg at the most, anyone know whether its possible to bring them in? Dont mind the quarantine time or if I have to pick them up later etc.. just not sure if its more complicated than that or involves more costs than its worth..

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    ::)

    I suppose...I might add my reason why I checked AQIS in the first place.

    Kopi luwak. A coffee broker in Sumatra that I know, he gave up selling this stuff and ended up hoarding it for personal use.

    When he is being generous (like last month) I would get 1/4 kilo, roasted.
    He is a good roaster, but I just like to try my hand on unroasted stock but cant bring in green stuff unless with import permit...

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Just a thought
    You should arrange an introduction
    Denis and Kopi and if they can strike a bargain we can all benefit

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    Nope, tried that, he is just not selling :)

    He gives when he felt like it, strange guy...and he got another kilo for me, unroasted.

    Ill probably let it sit like that until I visit Sumatra again early next year.

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    Can do e-form at AQIS website, but they will need supplier and importer details. And looks like they will do visual inspection for 5 kilo or smaller batch.

    Hmm...not worth it, eh? Ill let the big boys do the importing and will bring my heat gun to Sumatra next year.

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by NewToEspresso link=1214186552/0#3 date=1214188038
    Probably a related topic to this, I have a friend holidaying in Hawaii at the moment and hes said that they can get their hands on some Kona Hawaii beans and asked if Id like some.
    Keep in mind that not all Konas are created equal. Theres great Konas and theres pretty horrible Konas. Saying a coffee is a Kona is like saying its a Tarrazu. It gives you a location but says nothing about quality.

    As to getting the beans into Oz, do a site search as I seem to recall another user bringing some beans back from Hawaii a while back.


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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas


    AQIS sent me a letter a few years ago when someone sent me some Kopi Luwak from Indo. AQIS laughed at the chances of ever getting it into the country green and to this day I only know of roasted beans getting here.

    I suspect you might introduce a whole host of potential nasties in an unwashed Luwak coffee and you wouldnt want to pay very much for washed beans. I read that indonesia sells more than twice the volume of Kopi Luwak that is produced so ergo, at least half are fake.

    Bringing beans back from Hawaii? That was Fatboy
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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Yep. I am the mad fool that brought green Kona home.
    As Andy said, proper unroasted Kopi Luwak is not going to get through Australian Quarantine.

    The Kona was simple enough.
    I just put Various suppliers on the form and it was fine.
    Was it worth it? Probably not. Most farms are not really set up to sell green and certainly charge a LOT for the beans (roasted and green).

    As Javaphile states "Not all Konas are created equal", so it might be a worthwhile exercise if you knew of a specific one you liked.

    BTW - Coming home through quarantine, declaring the beans and showing the permit just caused confusion really. In the end a team of 4 people looking at a computer screen ended up with "Is it under 5kg?"
    "Yes".
    "Right. Off you go".

    Cost of permit, and beans made it a fairly expensive exercise.
    Still have a batch to roast though!

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    How much did the permit cost? I was thinking that perhaps my friend would hand carry back at the most 1kg of green konas and declare it at immigration. Will that work or will he need to get a permit prior to bringing it back?

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    All the info I read suggested I needed the permit before I left.
    I have a saved e-mail from the AQIS that tells me it would be $33 to apply on-line.
    I cant recall if that was the total cost or there was another fee along the way (possibly making it forty something dollars).

    So, add the cost of the 1 kilo of Kona and that makes it pretty pricey all up.

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Ill try and let my friend know NOT to get the beans then otherwise they might be in for a rude shock when they arrive

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Just looked at my bank statement from when I paid for the permit and it was $33 in total.
    One fee for $16 and one fee for $17.
    Something like the permit fee and the online application fee. Been taking lessons from the banks!

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1214186552/0#9 date=1214211611
    AQIS sent me a letter a few years ago when someone sent me some Kopi Luwak from Indo. AQIS laughed at the chances of ever getting it into the country green and to this day I only know of roasted beans getting here.

    I suspect you might introduce a whole host of potential nasties in an unwashed Luwak coffee and you wouldnt want to pay very much for washed beans. I read that indonesia sells more than twice the volume of Kopi Luwak that is produced so ergo, at least half are fake.

    Bringing beans back from Hawaii? That was Fatboy
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    Thanks for the info, it not possible after all.
    You are right about fake luwak, there is this caged animal getting force fed with beans as a method to mass produce. And once this coffee is roasted, there is no way to tell if somebody just mix in mandheling stock.

    I dont understand this. Had luwak (roasted), it is ok, some strange smell but it is good coffee. But it is worth all that publicity, bad animal treatment and exorbitant price? Think not...

    I suspect thats why this guy I know wouldnt sell his luwak.

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    I went to Sumatra to film a story on Kopi Luwak last year and tried to bring back a few kilos of green given to me as a present by the farmers.

    The customs guy just laughed and grabbed the lot. He said it would have been OK if it was roasted.

    Next time I will take the iRoast with me :-P

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCG31fSAr4M

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Great video FGOB
    Yes next time take the roaster
    Better still as I said above
    Introduce the farmer you befriended to a coffee snobs roaster and if they are interested we can all benefit including the farmer

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Nice job FGOB !

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    Nice clip FGOB. *

    I laughed at the irony of the two human sorters wearing rubber gloves but they were happy to inhale the cloud of poo-dust that was rising from the bowl.

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1214186552/0#19 date=1221470181
    but they were happy to inhale the cloud of poo-dust that was rising from the bowl.
    giggled like a schoolgirl
    Great choice of words there Andy, I was thinking the same thing watching it. *;D

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    yes the gloves had been bought especially for the filming. I declined the offer and am still alive.

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    But I had the alocgel out as soon as nobody was watching


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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    roasting beans in a ceramic bowl over a wood fire isnt a great idea.

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    this thread made me wonder whether it would be easier to just get a pet civet... then i read how its one of the suspected culprits in the outbreak of SARS....

    also interestingly enough, civet oil is used as a cure for scabies... (thanks wikipedia)

    wonderful...


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    They sure are cute little critters though.... SARS aside ::)

    Mal.

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    Re: Importing coffee from overseas

    Im not sure I could bring myself to taste coffee thats been through an animals digestive tract, but in the video Peter seemed to manage undeterred (sorry, couldnt resist).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ajayro link=1214186552/20#26 date=1221582140
    Im not sure I could bring myself to taste coffee thats been through an animals digestive tract, but in the video Peter seemed to manage undeterred (sorry, couldnt resist).
    Ever drunk cows milk? Eaten an egg? How about a steak?

    Were a weird lot, thats for sure! :)

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    Hmmm, maybe I should have underlined "undeterred".

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    Seeing this thread was just linked from another thread...
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-co...ns-hawaii.html

    I'll update it with some more current information:

    * The current import permit is $125
    * You need one permit per country of origin.
    * 5kg maximum sample size (carried through the airport)
    * DAFF ("Customs" became AQIS who became DAFF) might still not let it in without fumigation depending on country of origin and their on the spot inspection.

    It is do-able but expensive and can add an hour getting out of the airport at this end. I do it often when returning from overseas but you have to REALLY want the coffee and be willing to pay at least $25/kg more for it.

    As a rule, you are better off drinking it overseas and bringing enough roasted coffee back with you for the next week as you don't need a permit but you do need to declare on your customs card (Mr Depp take note!)
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    Bugger, was going to bring some doi chaang back, guess it'll have to be roasted.

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    I know a guy who successfully 'imported' strawberries from the UK by eating them and then using the "outdoor dunny" on arrival at home...

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    Permit is pretty straightforward to get online, however the cost makes it hardly worthwhile unless traveling frequently.
    In the year I had a permit I brought in 20kg, so $6.25/kg, seeing that I was buying the coffee for about $8/kg (PNG Beans) it worked out ok, but with the extra delay in customs it's hardly worth the hassle.
    Now I just roast enough before I leave, cheaper and easier.



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