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    What is a Ristretto?

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    I was at a place that serves coffee tonight, and was bluntly told by someone that has 10 years experience making coffee around the world that a Ristretto was the "Middle" part of a pour.
    From what I have read, and the way that I have been trained, the first 15-20ml of the pour is whats known as a Ristretto.
    Its a restricted pour, thus being a Ristretto.
    I go to places where they know more about coffee than I will ever know, and watch them pour my coffee, and I have never seen a Middle pour.
    Which of us is right?

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Ristretto--restricted.
    Usually restricted to the first part of the shot, i.e. pour cut short, but I guess they could define it any way they wanted.
    How did it taste?
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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    After being told that I had no idea what I was talking about, i went elsewhere.
    Maybe if I had have dropped the big names, or had have made coffee around the world, I might know more....
    Can you tell Im not that impressed...

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    AHHH! theres nothing like good customer relations!
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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    And the customer relations where sadly lacking at that shop, which is surprising, as it always seems to be full of people....
    The uneducated masses-Sheep...

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Hi Ghost....

    If you do a search of the forum for "Ristretto" Im sure you will glean a wealth of info on the subject. As youve already gathered, nothing is set in concrete where coffee is concerned... ;)

    Cheers,
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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    I asked for a Ristretto once and they said they didnt have rice dishes on the menu!!!

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Quote Originally Posted by greenman link=1220016954/0#6 date=1220049308
    I asked for a Ristretto once and they said they didnt have rice dishes on the menu!!!
    Haha
    Thats funny ;D

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Quote Originally Posted by greenman link=1220016954/0#6 date=1220049308
    I asked for a Ristretto once and they said they didnt have rice dishes on the menu!!!
    Having a mild form of dyslexia, spelling and pronouncing some words get me into strife..

    I have on a number of occasions made a mess of;

    1: Ristretto and asked for a well known rice disk :-)
    2: Affogato in addition to which my mother says as Affo Farto

    A restricted time ie. the first 2/3 of the standard time.

    However, I also insist that it be from a full double shot and not a single...

    As to the middle... I guess some could do it and promote a unique coffee shot... But hell, why waist the first few drops :-) My taste buds would knot know the diff.

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Who Walks link=1220016954/0#0 date=1220016953
    I was at a place that serves coffee tonight, and was bluntly told by someone that has 10 years experience making coffee around the world that a Ristretto was the "Middle" part of a pour.
    From what I have read, and the way that I have been trained, the first 15-20ml of the pour is whats known as a Ristretto.
    Its a restricted pour, thus being a Ristretto.
    I go to places where they know more about coffee than I will ever know, and watch them pour my coffee, and I have never seen a Middle pour.
    Which of us is right?
    I thought thats called a middle pour ristretto.
    To be honest the guy sounds like a dick.

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    I digress somewhat...

    To me a ristretto is a double shot (14g) of coffee extracted in over 15s (varies by bean.. and how long post-roast the bean has matured), and the shot is "restricted" far before it turns pale/watery --> the opposite of a lungo.

    It emphasizes the body of the coffee and subdues the acidic notes. It is very savoury/umami and intense, rather than sour or bitter.


    A ristretto requires grinder recalibration to prolong the time to blonding and to get the ~25-30ml in a proper ~30s pour time.

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Quote Originally Posted by cyrilgoldenrock link=1220016954/0#9 date=1220064748
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost Who Walks link=1220016954/0#0 date=1220016953
    I was at a place that serves coffee tonight, and was bluntly told by someone that has 10 years experience making coffee around the world that a Ristretto was the "Middle" part of a pour.
    From what I have read, and the way that I have been trained, the first 15-20ml of the pour is whats known as a Ristretto.
    Its a restricted pour, thus being a Ristretto.
    I go to places where they know more about coffee than I will ever know, and watch them pour my coffee, and I have never seen a Middle pour.
    Which of us is right?
    I thought thats called a middle pour ristretto.
    To be honest the guy sounds like a dick.
    Actually it was a girl, who didnt look old enough to have worked around the world as a Barista...
    But then, what would I know? Im only a member of the public, Not a Barista....

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    What is a Ristretto?
    ...what you get when you order an espresso from most of the well known Baristas?
    (they are getting better though)

    My take on a Ristretto is the same amount of ground coffee and the same pour time as an espresso but its restricted to half the volume.
    (it could be a finer grind or an updose or a heavier tamp to get the same punchline in a different way)


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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    If you ask for a ristretto at a good coffee shop you should get the best of what they have to offer in a shot I reckon - tight short pour with heaps of rich flavour and low or nil acidity. I ask for them at Naked Coffee or Campos and dont get blank looks...just a very nice coffee. I normally pour ristrettos at home. I love them and even in a standard (itialian standard not typical Australian - except the better cafes) flat white. In slightly larger milk coffees I still like the smoothness of them, although I know a lot of people who prefer the full volume to cut through the milk. Having said that you can always pour a double ristretto for that larger milk coffee...:)

    Cheers

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Hi Ghost

    My understanding of a ristretto that it is a restricted short black - its just the crema of the espresso, served in a warmed demi-tasse cup.

    This is about 15ml, and extraction time is 15 seconds - made under correct tamping and grind conditions.
    As for gram age, if I ordered one out in a espresso bar/cafe,
    I would expect a double = 16gm (8gm per 15ml) any more ground coffee in the basket will result in a over the top syrupy espresso, and can end up tasting like Bonox instead of a sweet mind blowing coffee!

    Bean quality and roasting if not perfect will reduce the viciousness’ and mls of the crema.

    I hope this information is helpful to your quest!

    warm regards,

    Mahalia




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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Actually, what Andy has described above is the technically correct Ristretto... I guess theres no harm in making what ever variation on a theme that makes you happy but if it diverts too far from the description above, its not really a Ristretto....

    Description here:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ristretto

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1220016954/0#15 date=1220104937
    Hmm -- since when is a normal (double) espresso shot "88 ml" ??


    But what Id really like to know is, whats a "doppio piccolo"??

    A small double :-?

    A double with a dash of hot H2O? :-/



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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Hi all

    The Wikipedia article referenced this site:
    http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Ristretto-%28Espresso-Coffee%29
    This site describes a Ristretto in a ristretto sort of way, short and sweet. Unlike other long legthy articles. It also agrees with Andy in that it suggests that a Ristretto can be made in three different ways: varying one of either time, grind or tamp.

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    Quote Originally Posted by simone link=1220016954/0#16 date=1220107866
    But what Id really like to know is, whats a "doppio piccolo"??
    I had a laugh... Its just a double shot of espresso with about an equal amount (or a little more) of velvety, smooth textured milk. Goes down very nicely indeed.... 8-)

    Hmm -- since when is a normal (double) espresso shot "88 ml" ??
    Yeah I noticed that too, dont know where they get that from unless its a common thing in some parts of the States?

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

    since when is a normal (double) espresso shot "88 ml" ??
    Certainly not in my 60ml espresso cups!

    ...although you "could" pour a 500ml shot into one and I guess I would still get a 60ml shot and a messy drip tray.

    :)

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    Re: What is a Ristretto?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy Freeman link=1220016954/0#19 date=1220109226
    ...although you "could" pour a 500ml shot into one and I guess I would still get a 60ml shot and a messy drip tray.

    :)
    Snigger... Andy, you might get a messy drip tray -- Id get a horrible swamp on the bench ;D


    Quote Originally Posted by Mal link=1220016954/0#18 date=1220109045
    Quote Originally Posted by simone link=1220016954/0#16 date=1220107866
    But what Id really like to know is, whats a "doppio piccolo"??
    I had a laugh... Its just a double shot of espresso with about an equal amount (or a little more) of velvety, smooth textured milk. Goes down very nicely indeed.... 8-)
    Gotcha -- a double piccolo latte :)

    Only a little while ago someone referred to a "piccolo long black" by which they seem to mean a double with a dash of hot water. I thought I invented this myself, to go with my brekky muesli, but apparently not ;D

    Needs a better name tho...



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