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    Buying 2ndhand Hardware

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    Hi all,

    Im a newbie currently looking to purchase a decent home espresso machine and quality grinder, but Im not going to be able to afford a new model for some time. Has anyone got any advice or tips to share on what I should look out for? Warning signs would be particularly helpful!

    Thx

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    Hi mate and welcome. Firstly we need to know what type of machine that you are after. There are plenty of generic comments, but this site will be more helpful to you if you have a specific machine(s) in mind.

    Cheers

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware


    Coffee machines, computers, cars... all the same.

    I think the best way to start the purchase process is to pick a budget.

    From that you can build a list of "likely" and then start trimming the list down depending on the features you would like/need/want.

    So, how much can you spend?
    (pick a number between 10-20,000)

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    Welcome to Coffee Snobs Flipper.
    Youre English is good for a dolphin.
    I never missed your show when I was growing up.

    Warning:
    Ebay is dangerous unless you can inspect the machine beforehand and you know what to look for.

    If you cant see the machine making a coffee dont risk it.

    If you cant inspect the grinder for cleanliness and quality of grind dont risk it.

    The safest place to buy 2nd hand is here.
    Coffee Snobs is generally safer because we all look after our equipment.
    I bought a 2nd hand grinder off a fellow CS and am happy with it.

    I did also buy a grinder sight unseen from an auction house but my son works there and I had a bit of an idea what I was risking.
    The price ended up being a steal and even though I havent fully cleaned it up yet, it looks like I was lucky and picked up a genuine bargain.

    Quite a few other CS members have bought satisfactorily from each other.

    How much of a budget limit have you set yourself?

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    Hi Flipper and welcome,

    you will get this advice soon anyway but buy a good grinder first to go with some good beans then the machine last with whatever is left.

    If you are a bit handy then second hand ex commercial is a cheap way to go but be prepared to fit a new set of burrs and maybe new bearings as well but they appear on ferralbay for uinder $300 and there has been a few here for similar money (much safer idea).

    Beans are easy Brown Bay or one of the sponsors or roast your own and save some $$ toward a fancier machine later.

    Machine as stated above second hand evilbay is a real riisk even cheap new (they are cheap for a reason) can be a waste of money. If $$ are a bit short and you like a good coffee have a look at Vacuum or Coffee Syphons while you save some more for a better machine (see Sorrentina Coffee :sponsor) <------) .

    To give you an idea for limited budgets my second hand ex commercial was $330 ($1500+ new) delivered with a spare set of new burrs and my espresso machine (ferralbay but new in box) was $280 delivered ($7-800 new). For similar money the Sunbeam machine/Grinder package is a good one as well.

    Try not to get to bamboozled :)

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    I just bought a refurb machine off ebay, it was a Gaggia Baby Twin, cost under $300 and was delivered yesterday with a 3 month warranty, so far all seems good everything is in working order.

    Now I just need to work out how to make a good coffee :D

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    Hello and welcome Flipper *[smiley=beer.gif],

    (Like Thundergod I am a great fan of your early work *;) *)

    In the "Coffee Hardware For Sale" there is a Gaggia/Rocky/plus accessories package for sale now : http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1232359947

    I am not really sure why there is such a feeling here against Ebay??? *(thats probably a question for "Off Topic") but my experience there has been positive and I have found many great bargains over the years. *You just have to research, read carefully, ask questions, and check feedback.

    Cheers - Carrie *:)

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    Good advice Carrie, research and care is the eay to go.

    problem with ferralbay is there is no real come backs if it does go wrong. If you read a Eurolab blurb and take it as gospel then you could make cafe coffee for undr $100 ::) If a boiler element on a second hand machine goes kabloohy after a week then add $1-300 to your bargin. I am a moderate user of evilbay and it is a great resource for the informed or those prepared to take a chance and has served me well for about 70 purchases for only one dud item.

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    Hi Beanflying,

    If you come up against that RARE ebayer who doesnt do the right thing or want to solve a problem, both Ebay & Paypal have mechanisims in place for resolving issues. *Im not really sure what protection/come backs there are here? *
    With all respect to my fellow snobs, Im not sure why Id feel *safer buying from someone whos just signed up to Coffeesnobs than an Ebay seller with a decent history.

    -Carrie :)

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    Mainly I was meaning the difference between buying here (no one who wants to stay here will sell a dud or leave an issue unresolved) or from a shop where you have consumer protection working for you.

    Without going into to many details I was able to get some sort of resolution for my problem but is was a pain in the !@# due to the item being in very poor condition and not as described (Car Part). Hard to prove what is excellent, Average or Poor ....

    Back on topic the Gaggia Package might be a good one to start with :)

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    8-) :)

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    Quote Originally Posted by 715340405B5779320 link=1232419742/8#8 date=1232523448
    With all respect to my fellow snobs, Im not sure why Id feelsafer buying from someone whos just signed up to Coffeesnobs than an Ebay seller with a decent history.
    Although there are some simple rules to stop new CS members just joining and selling immediately, what you really get here is the chance to get to know who you are dealing with, much better than you can with Ebay.





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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    I dont think I would buy an espresso machine off ebay unless you can inspect, and know what to look for. I once inspected a fully serviced excellent condition machine that had holes in the front panel where lights used to be, worn and chipped paint, badly worn portafilters, and when I pulled off the top, steam coming out a dodgy repair to the autofill probe. It was really worn out. The awful thing was someone paid $1600 for this machine, and id say its true value would be more like $700.

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    I got to inspect one once that was for sale on ebay.
    Trouble was it wasnt connected even though it was in a shop, so I couldnt see it running.
    Too risky.

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    I did buy my pavoni unseen. I couldnt be bothered driving 1 1/2 hours to inspect. but i bought it expecting if probably would need lots of repairs (which it did) - so its ok if you dont mind fixing what is wrong with them, and budget for repairs. But I think a lot of people pay prices that should only be for excellent condition machines.

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

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    If you buy without finding out all you can about what you are purchasing (including condition and what you should be paying) you are always risking a bad buy. *Thats as true for Ebay as it is anywhere else. *Unlike most secondhand purchases, with Ebay there is a way of knowing the sellers past history and reputation. And there in a method of having any disputes mediated and resolved. *

    As I said earlier, my experiences have been positive - (up to and including the 1935 Ford Pickup we bought from Detroit last year).

    -Carrie *;)

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    Quote Originally Posted by 35303C38303F60510 link=1232419742/14#14 date=1232535071
    I did buy my pavoni unseen. *I couldnt be bothered driving 1 1/2 hours to inspect. but i bought it expecting if probably would need lots of repairs (which it did) - so its ok if you dont mind fixing what is wrong with them, and budget for repairs. *But I think a lot of people pay prices that should only be for excellent condition machines.
    I had a laugh,

    If the Bezz I bought was as close as that, it would be like a drive through the park compared to how far we did actually have to travel... And due to a couple of health related matters, driving long distances is not very good for me. In the end, the machine was exactly as described and in even better condition than I had hoped for. Was quite prepared to turn around and go home without it though...... ::)

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    Well I have been using my Gaggia Baby that I got from ebay for a week now, I have opened it, inspected it etc.. and it is in absolutely fantastic condition, in fact it looks pretty much brand new.

    The seller looks like they run a business of selling coffee products and refurbished appliances, so they have a reputation to uphold, they have a warranty on the item, so if it all goes pear shaped I can send it back.

    I dont think ebay is all that bad if you do your due dilligence on the seller before hand.

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    Glad that youre happy...

    Evilbay does very well out of every sale- especially at espresso machine level. In a $2k machine, paid for via paypal, fees and comissions can frequently amount to hundreds of dollars and lo and behold, a sellers margin evaporates and they find that they are operating more as employees than business owners.

    If theres not a shop front, evilbay dealers can and do disappear as quickly as they appeared, taking your "warranty" with them.

    As always, the nature of this purchase comes with big caveat emptor.

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    exstatic,

    Welcome to CS..... and glad your machine is performing well.

    Ive bought lots of things from the bay of evil..... and as long as you assume the warranty is worthless..... and what you get is what you have paid for.... you wont be disappointed....

    I have bought one item which clearly breached copyright laws.... (but that wasnt indicated on the offer of sale.... and its sale breached evilbay policy)

    Complained to the seller..... nada..... complained to evilbay.... didnt want to know (although they have rules about that sort of thing).....

    The only saving grace was that commercial seller "disappeared" after a few more weeks.... however a new seller appeared with identical goods..... so I expect he was "reborn"....

    So dont believe you are protected - you arent...... but if willing to accept that is the case.... then you can be lucky (I have been most of the time - the rest I put down to experience ::))

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    Hello 2mcm & JavaB,

    Can you tell me what safeguards are in place to protect purchasers from the "Coffee hardware for sale" section here? *

    It is a great service that Coffeesnobs offers to members but, any online purchase should be made cautiously. * I think *
    Quote Originally Posted by 0C534B5D565D5158585B5B535F503E0 link=1232419742/18#18 date=1232602169
    As always, the nature of this purchase comes with big caveat emptor. *
    applies here at least as much as with Ebay.

    Cheers - Carrie

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4E6C7F7F6468460D0 link=1232419742/20#20 date=1232605295
    Can you tell me what safeguards are in place to protect purchasers from the "Coffee hardware for sale" section here?
    Carrie...

    As I see it, the "for sale area" is a private sale.... the board is only providing the medium for advertising.....

    CS makes no money out of the sale (unlike Evilbay).... makes no promises as to the suitability of the goods (at least on certain grounds Evilbay does - but doesnt follow through on complaints)....

    In both cases you are relying on the honesty of the seller.... *and whilst Evilbay does give some indication of the sellers past performance.... as they can change user names.... that is dubious.....

    One would hope.... and a hope which seems to have been justified... that those selling goods here respect their fellow snobs.... not so on Evilbay where it is an "arms length" transaction at best....

    But in both cases.... and any other form of private sale.... it is a case of Caveat emptor - buyer beware..... as they have very little - if any - protection from fraudulent sellers (under the law) - unlike with a commercial transaction and a registered business.

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    Hi Everyone,

    Thanks for all your responses to this thread. I cant believe that so many responses have been posted in such a short time frame. I guess thats caffeine for you.

    My home coffee over the past couple of years has been made using a Krups Vivo and a CKS manual grinder, both of which cost me nothing.

    I know that Krups have a terrible reputation among connoisseurs, but once I got the technique right I found I could get a pretty decent shot with good beans freshly ground. And the CKS at its finest setting managed a good espresso grind, even if it came after a lot of unwanted exercise for the arms.

    Anyway, the Krups sprang a leak at the grouphead, and it would cost more to repair than to repalce. So I now urgently need a new machine because my wife will leave me if I cant keep supplying her with a good coffee every morning.

    I would like to keep improving my coffee experience, maybe get into roasting my own beans and become a real snob. But I can probably only spend $600 max at the moment, and as I say, the situation is urgent. Hence Im thinking Ill try to get a quality domestic machine and grinder second hand rather than their K-mart equivalents new.

    All of your advice is much appreciated, and Ill keep an eye on the boards here. Exstatic, can you give me the name of the ebay seller you mentioned above? Sounds like youve had a good experience with your Baby purchase.

    Thanks again.

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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    Hey flipper and again welcome

    The best value for your $600 would be
    1) Sunbeam 6910 on special all the time
    2) Nemox fenice $579.00
    3) Nemox dell opera $799 but that comes with a grinder
    The Nemox is available from sponsor (no free plug here)


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    Re: Buying 2ndhand Hardware

    Having looked around ebay, etc., it doesnt seem like there is much on offer 2nd hand at present. But Kosmos recommendation above, and the write-up on Alan Frews site, have got me quite interested in the Nemox/Lelit/Mokita etc. etc. options. Does anyone know if there are any retailers based in Sydney who supply these? I would rather view and pick up than order online.

    Thanks again for your help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 567C7960607562100 link=1232419742/24#24 date=1232932410
    Having looked around ebay, etc., it doesnt seem like there is much on offer 2nd hand at present. But Kosmos recommendation above, and the write-up on Alan Frews site, have got me quite interested in the Nemox/Lelit/Mokita etc. etc. options. Does anyone know if there are any retailers based in Sydney who supply these? I would rather view and pick up than order online.

    Thanks again for your help.
    Hi Flipper,

    Contact Dennis of Cuppacoffee. The combo is a new machine to his range with an eta of around 2 weeks....

    Hope that helps ;)

    2mcm

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Thanks! Ill get onto Dennis tomorrow!



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