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    Given up coffee!!

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
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    Why did I do it? Came about by drinking too many coffees *[smiley=shocked.gif]. So next day, I decided Id detox for the day: terrible headache! Late to work the following day -- no time to pick up or make coffee: terrible headache and nausea. By this point, I didnt feel like coffee and felt I needed to get it out of my system. If its doing this to me when I skip it for one or two days, then I reckon I got too much of the bean in my system. Anyway, Im interested to see how I feel in general after detox. Before detox I felt tired ALL the time and coffee didnt seem to really perk me up at all, but I could not think of anything else until I got my coffee -- even though it didnt seem to help with the tired feeling. I reckon, like most drug addicts, Id raised my baseline so high that I needed A LOT of caffeine to give me the same effect as before; my body was just responding to the caffeine cravings. Like being on heroin (not that I know): I needed caffeine just to feel normal. Except I wasnt feeling normal. I was feeling ill. Tired. Headachey. Irritable.
    I plan to detox for 2 weeks (on day 6 now!)
    At the end I will see how I feel and how well I operate at work compared to how I was when on the magic bean :D!
    Wish me luck!

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    Hi mean bean
    I ditched caffeine on the first of Jan and had a headache for about 12 hours max, to be honest i havent found any difference in having caffeine or not having caffeine.

    I started back on the caffeine last weekend, admittedly only have 1 per day and the others are decaf but so far so good, no issue with sleeping, then again i never did.

    It will be interesting to see how you go.

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    Thankx Mal,

    I was googling caffeine withdrawal and apparently there is no difference in addictability or withdrawal symptoms between having 1 cup per day and having several cups a day. Bad news for me. I was hoping I could go back to just 1 cup/day and be better off!

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    How much where you actually drinking?

    I reckon at work I have somewhere between 8 and 15 espresso (Blend and single O) over a 10hr shift, plus a brewed coffee before I leave for work most days. Then there are weekends where I have none, and experience none of the syptoms some people do from lack of routine. Is it for real or is it all in our heads? I reckon sometimes its a bit from column a and a bit from column b. ;)

    Either way, giving up coffee is not right. 8-)


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    Yeeza
    For some its their only option.
    A mate of mine cannot drink normal coffee anymore, if he does he finds that within a day he gets headaches and issues with muscles and tightness around his neck. He has done enough testing to be able to pin it down to coffee.

    He is a convert to decaff and especially the Mocha java from bean bay which i roast for him.

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    I have never experienced headaches etc from not drinking coffee, and Im a very sporadic coffee drinker. Some days Ill have heaps, other times Ill go for a couple of weeks without coffee. Havent really noticed anything.

    However I do have a friend who had to cut back to nearly nothing as he was getting headaches & muscle twitches. Interesting that there is such a variation between people.

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    Re: Given up coffee!!

    I can drink coffee till the cows come home but choose a moderate intake of up to 6 cups per day
    No ill effects if I stop

    Did you know that the quantity of caffeine in dry loose leaf tea is higher than the quantity of caffeine in the same weight of dry coffee beans.

    Add to that
    Bottle of Coke (300ml) - 40mg caffeine (average) Dark Chocolate Bar (50g) - 35mg caffeine (avg) Cup of Coffee (8oz) - 100mg (avg) Cup of Tea (8oz) - 35mg (avg) A pharmacologically active dose of caffeine is 200mg and a fatal dose is 10,000mg.

    Important to note here is also that several studies suggest that as much as 70-80% of caffeine content consumed is actually not absorbed by the body.

    This info was found here
    http://72.14.235.132/search?q=cache:jwKIr5SlURgJ:www.benefitsofgreentea .info/2007/caffeine-content-myth-in-green-tea.php+caffeine+quantity+in+coffee+%26+tea&cd=1&h l=en&ct=clnk

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    Ive come of and on coffee so often (for various reasons) that my caffeine tolerance has built up and I dont really feel withdrawal anymore - well a mild headache on day five. I can go from ten+ shots to none and not really been bothered. But I do know people who are really affected by coffee and are really horrible till their first (or fourth) cup.

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    Hi mean bean,

    I gave up coffee over lent last year (40 days, I think it is). I had a shocking headache for 36 hours straight but no other symptoms. I also had the idea of detoxing, but for me I got no benefits. I was half hoping that my reasonably frequent headaches might have been triggered by too much caffeine, but no luck there. I also thought Id feel more awake/alert etc and less preoccupied by coffee every day. Alas, all I got was slightly more time every morning when Id usually be making a brew! I was happy to return to coffee after that.


    I think there are definitely some aspects of caffeine "addiction" that are social and/or psychological (ie. the idea of addiction has a lot of power over you). But Im also certain of the negative health effects of caffeine - potentially, at least.

    Whats also clear is that different people can handle different amounts. I know more than 3 double ristretto-based coffees in a day and Ill feel it. I can handle 4-5 and still sleep, but more than that is unpleasant. Thats the other thing - overindulgence with caffeine is not enjoyable (even if the coffee itself is).

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    I usually drink 3 doubles a day.
    Occasionally if I miss the 3rd one I might wake up with a headache.
    I havent worked it out yet.
    Maybe its if I miss them two days running.
    Cure is a coffee to wash down some Panadol; one of those two gets rid of the headache.

    I gave up coffee once 4 years ago when I went for my brain surgery.
    Not by choice mind you (both the coffee and the surgery).
    When I checked in to the hospital the evening before, a lady came around and offered me tea, which I declined (I found out later she also had coffee).

    I was in intensive care for 24 hours after the surgery and could barely stomach food or drink of any kind for quite a few days after.
    By the time I got home I hadnt had a coffee for just over a week and didnt miss it.

    It was 3 months before I decided to have another, and then went back to my usual two a day (at that time).

    I was tempted to drink coffee again when I first got home because what had happened on my accidental detox was that my taste buds became super sensitive.

    It was like I could count the pieces of parsley on my tongue from the chicken noodle soup.
    If I was fast enough I swear Id have been able to count the bubbles in a soft drink.
    This "phenomenon" tempted me to taste some coffee to see how intense it might be.
    Luckily I resisted because it would have only been instant anyway back then.

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    I was watching a formal study into caffeine on Discovery the other day. *The study found that whilst coffee does improve cognitive function in those withdrawn from it, it doesnt for non-drinkers nor weined (weened?) drinkers.

    In other words, you gotta put yourself into withdrawl to start to benefit.

    Its not going to change my drinking habits though.

    Epic "Eat right, stay fit & die anyway" 76

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    hrmmm this is all really interesting..

    my own experience is that if I have more than my usual (1 double and 1 single shot per day) at work on Friday, Im pretty good all weekend.. if I miss a coffee on Friday, and dont have a catchup Saturday, I do get a headache.. so basically day 2 or day 3 for me is a pretty nasty headache, really sore eyes and stuff.. it depends how much coffee Ive generally been consuming though.

    Mentally I can just go without it, and have, but, yeah from experience I always get a headache!!

    Hey Mean Bean, Im sure I read somewhere that caffeine gets in the way of Iron absorption in one of my wifes pregnancy books - so, if youre tired all the time, its worth a thought that maybe you got iron issues (it aint that uncommon!) and the caffeine could be hindering your absorption somewhat. Dunno!

    Anyway.. Id love to go to just decaf - Im just .. too lazy to get around to it haha. I know I know, its not that much drama.. heh. ::)

    I read somewhere some country is working on an Arabica cultivar with no caffeine, imagine the market there, a coffee that naturally has no caf.... hrmmmm interesting. I should try and find that article again cuz I cant remember the slightest thing about what it said other than what I just typed.

    Ah well, good luck anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 13263F356160560 link=1238573668/10#10 date=1238598042
    weined (weened?)
    Weaned.

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    Re: Given up coffee!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 4478657E747562777F74100 link=1238573668/12#12 date=1238753690
    Quote Originally Posted by 13263F356160560 link=1238573668/10#10 date=1238598042
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7549544F454453464E45210 link=1238573668/12#12 date=1238753690
    Epic76 wrote on 02. Apr 2009 at 00:00:
    weined (weened?)
    Weaned.

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    This is an interesting discussion. My understanding is that the effects and tolerance are quite individual. For example, I can have a double at 10pm at night and have no trouble sleeping. And its not that I have a high tolerance - my usual max intake is 2-3 coffees per day. Some of my colleagues cannot have any coffee after lunchtime or they cant sleep - poor unfortunates!

    Good decaf is acceptable, but always seems to lack a flavour punch to me. Can anyone suggest their favourite decaf source?

    Cheers
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    Best decaf I have found is right here on beanbay, mocha java.

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    Mocha Java Decaf on Beanbay, Brown anytime or Green when available :)

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    Re: Given up coffee!!

    Many years ago when I drank Instant coffee I would often notice a nasty lethargic/shakey/cold-sweat type of reaction some hours later. When I moved on to coffee-bags, dripolator and plunger coffee I still occasionally got this reaction. I now drink mainly dripolator or plunger coffee during the working week and espresso machine on the weekends and I rarely get the reaction. I do try to drink a bit more water these days and I wonder if this mitigates the reaction.
    The other thought is that I have gradually developed a greater caffeine tolerance over time. Probably a bit of both. Having said that I never drink more than a couple of cups a day as I like it to be a real treat when I do.

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    That makes sense Rocky. I think some instant coffees have significantly higher caffeine contents. In fact espresso has a relatively low caffeine content compared to filtered, percolated and plunger. Partly the brewing metod and partly the blend, since robusta has almost twice the caffeine of arabica

    Caffeine, mg per standard drink: (Ref: Espresso Coffee. The Science of Quality)
    Boiled 75-135
    Filter 110-200
    Percolated 100-190
    Plunger 90-180
    Instant 45-180
    Espresso 60-80
    Decaf (all) 1-5

    So, probably best to keep drinking the good stuff from the Diadema ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0438253E343522373F34500 link=1238573668/9#9 date=1238595652
    Cure is a coffee to wash down some Panadol; one of those two gets rid of the headache.
    ;D

    As you see above its VERY individual. I got 5 stings by some upset wasps recently and apart from the obvious sting pain suffered no other symptoms, others could die from the same.
    No set rules sorry to say ! As for Detox if we take something out of our diet our body will soon be without traces of it, but please remember we cannot speed up natures programme by putting in so called detox products. Very extensive analysis using all manor of devices including CT scanning shows no difference between detox and non detox groups using expensive detox kits. Our body will detox on its own.

    Anyway happy drinking whatever your poison ;)

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    HBL, always be wary of those figures as they are averages only. I read a study done in Qld which showed huge variations in caffeine content of espresso. Unfortunately no follow up to show why the variation.

    I would love to team up with a scientist and do a test on my beans to find out for sure.

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    Wow, great responses! Thankyou all for your contributions, Ive really enjoyed hearing different peoples experiences -- and I guess thats the predominant theme that came through: different people have different experiences and effects from caffeine.
    To answer some questions and respond to others:
    I was only drinking 2 cups on average. On the day before I gave up, when I had "too many coffees", I had only had three espressos! Compared to some of the stories told, Im at the very low-use end and more easily affected. If I have a coffee after 6pm, I have trouble getting to sleep at 10 or 11pm. Also, after a strong coffee, Im noticably more hyper. Without coffee, Im making more sense at staff meetings at work -- less blah, blah, blah blabbing.
    Regarding addiction, I agree that it is not soley bio-chemical, but also psychological. For me, Ive discovered that the ritual of coffee is as important as the coffee itself. After Id gotten over the withdrawal effects (which lasted about 6 days) I had a few craving-free days. On these days I gave myself something else to do, rather than have coffee: I would go buy a sweet cake or something, rather than a coffee. In the morning, I would actually think about breakfast, rather than "when am I going to get my first coffee of the day?" So, some of my positive feelings -- and I did feel more awake and more energy -- may be at least partly attributed to my eating better! I digress... I was making the point that I started craving other things... like my sweet cake break. I found myself yerning for that little comforting ritual that takes me away from the pressures of life for a few moments.
    As to caffeine hindering the absorbtion of iron, Ive heard that too. But in my case, Ive had my blood iron levels checked and theyre fine, so I dont know where my constant tiredness comes from.
    Im on day 17 of my caffeine-free life! I was only going to give up for two weeks, but at the end of two weeks, I had started having chai tea/latte as a substitute for coffee, but when I didnt have my chai one day, I started to get a headache -- withdrawal??! Chai contains black tea -- I dont know how much -- and black tea has caffeine, but Id hoped that it would be in such small amounts that it wouldnt affect me. So, now Ive gone totally clean again: no chai, no chocolate, no nothin! So, Im gonna go anther two weeks to try and properly guage if I feel different/better/worse with no coffee.

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    Mean Bean
    Id definitely get some Mocha Java Decaf from the brown bay.

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    I definitely will try that! But first, for my own knowledge, I have to make sure Im totally clean and then see how I am. If it aint much different, then Ill certainly re-introduce coffee at some level: decaf or minimal coffee intake or something like that.



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