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    Poisoned by coffee?

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    I buy a new coffee -Corsini Caffe dElite- 80% arabica 20% robusta. I have drunk a Doppio. 15 mins later I felt dizzy for 2 hours... like drunk but without the euphoria. :o

    What happened??

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    Maybe it was 80% Robusta ;)?
    No idea sorry, it may have been un related to the coffee you drank though :-/

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    Blood pressure
    But check with your doctor

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    Im not sure we are always aware of the quite substantial fluctuations that occur in our metabolism, or if you like, bio-rhythms.
    I notice a different response to alcohol and coffee depending on physical/psychological factors such as fatigue, hunger, hydration, energy levels and mood.
    A strong caffeine hit on an empty stomach when you are also a bit tired and dehydrated could make you feel different to having the same dose after a meal when well rested and hydrated - if you see my point.
    Maybe worth considering.

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    A mate of mine went to italy for his honeymoon and went into a little cafe and wanted a "really strong coffee" they gave him what they said was a ristretto and the effects were heart palpitations, sweats and dizziness. He is a regular coffee drinker and has never had this reaction before or since. Dont think this adds a huge amount to the solution to your problem but interesting all the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 52767F7F7C7C4652766A7476190 link=1238772508/2#2 date=1238795044
    But check with your doctor

    As KK said... check with your Doctor. ;)

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    Hi oton,
    To some folks coffee indulgences are a wonderful pastime and there are no health effects. To a few there are problems. My wife was diagnosed with Arrhythmia which is a rapid heart beat now and then. To some folks arrhythmias can be fatal. I am able to drink copious coffees with no problems at all. My wife must watch her intake and limit herself to one cafffeinated drink a day. After this it is chocolate, chai or decaff. The arrhythmia theory with cafffeinated coffees has been proven a few times by my wife much to her disappointment. No more than recently in N.Z. on a holiday in South Island (our coffee stops written up on C.S.). We had 3 great lattes in 4 hours. Too much for my wife. She had a 12 hour session of rapid heart beats (arrhythmias). Not a good feel. Comes in quickly and goes out as quick. What does she do at home? I roast my own beans from C.S. and she has a great caffeinated coffee in the a.m. and then it is onto C.S. decaff Mocha Java. Not a problem then. So there are to some real health issues that must not be ignored. You can still enjoy great coffees. Take care and good luck. Herbie.

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    It is very possable it may have had a Toxic Fungus on the beans. When you extracted them you would have got a dose of Neuro Toxin.
    Neuro Toxins cause Sweating and Dizzyness. Take a sample of the coffee to your Doctor and explain what happend to you. Ask for a full checkup including blood work incase you have any other issues that could have been aggrivated by the Coffee. And also give the doctor the sample of coffee for Analysis by a Lab.

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    after a couple of strong coffees first thing in the morning recently I felt a shortness of breath, sat down, and couldnt stand up again and had to call an ambulance!

    turns out the tickers ok but it was a combination of lack of sleep (two kids under three) combined with being on my feet for long periods of time, and lack of adequate nutrition - compounded by taking Valerian at night to help me sleep - then copious quantities of caffeine to see me through the coffee rush at work

    Since then Ive cut down on the caffeine, ditched the valerian, and am far more conscious of what I put into my system!

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    I recently did the 3 hour home barista course at Venezianos in Brissie. I had finished a 8 hour shift at 6 that morning, then headed home for breakfast which did include one coffee. Then over to Vs to pick up my beanbay goodies prior to the course. Arrived at around 9.30, settling in with an espresso and a capuccino.

    Started the course at just after ten, and over the next three hours it is difficult to say how much coffee was consumed during taste testing, but probably the equivalent of around maybe five to six shots. I finished up with a capuccino after completion of the course.

    The end result....feeling a combination of slight nausea, light headedness, and general queasiness. Very similar, but not to the extent of a bout of alcoholic poisoning i suffered back in the early 80s. It took about 24 hours before I feltl completely right again this time around.

    An interesting phenomenon when taken into account some of the thoughts posted here already.

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    holy crap thats crazy. I didnt realise that you were very sleep deprived and you did a bloody good job with that cappuccino :)

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    Hi oton,

    Not sure what that could be. What do you mean when you say dizzy? Its a term alot of people use but its often hard to work out exactly whats going one when someone says theyre dizzy.

    Caffeine is a stimulant, it causes an increase in sympathetic output, (the fight/flight response). Not sure how dizziness comes into that. I wouldve guessed that with the increase in heart rate and cardiac output one wouldnt get the dizziness that you feel when your brain isnt getting enough blood to it. Though sometimes I actually feel a bit foggy/lightheaded and I guess even a drunk kind of feeling after too many coffees.

    My main complaint is nausea; I get nausea when I drink too much coffee. If I know I will be drinking a fair bit (and not eating enough) I will sometimes pop an antiemetic pill :)

    Another interesting thing which i would LOVE to verify relates to the diuretic effect of coffee. A friend was telling me about a paper he read which had two randomised groups; one drinking caffienated coffee and the other drinking the same amount of decaffienated coffee. They measured urine output. And apparently there was no statistical significant difference between the urine output of the two groups.

    :)

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    Interesting point regarding the diuretic effect of coffee, I was told years ago that to combat the effects of 1 coffee you needed to drink 2 cups of water. Which means that they thought that one coffee removed 3 cups of water from your system (obviously not true). I read recently that coffee has a diuretic effect but only in people who dont drink it, so nobody here.

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A68676A61090 link=1238772508/11#11 date=1238933384
    i would LOVE to verify relates to the diuretic effect of coffee.
    Coffee does not induce the Tom Hanks moment like tea does for me.
    (Tom Hanks moment: you would need to have seen "A League of Their Own", "Green Mile" and one or two others of his movies to understand but he made pointing percy at the porcelain into an art form.


    Quote Originally Posted by 6E606D627563620C0 link=1238772508/12#12 date=1238995864
    I was told years ago that to combat the effects of 1 coffee you needed to drink 2 cups of water. Which means that they thought that one coffee removed 3 cups of water from your system (obviously not true). *
    I think its more to do with the water needed by your kidneys to process the chemicals in coffee. Its similar to how you cant drink sea water to quench thirst as you need twice as much water to filter out the salts.

    Ive heard that tea and coffee can contribute to the arbitrary 8 cups of water per day. In fact the American Journal of Physiology could not find where this magical 8 cups comes from. We have a built-in water level meter: its called thirst. I agree that replacing water with alcohol is not such a good idea.

    On another somewhat OT note, did anyone watch the Gruen Transfer (ABC1) last week: it was all about how bottled water is actually a bit of a rip-off and some could not taste the difference between premium bottled water and tap water. OTOH, Ive been to some places where you could not drink water from the tap because it is so polluted or foul-tasting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2B39363B30580 link=1238772508/11#11 date=1238933384

    My main complaint is nausea; I get nausea when I drink too much coffee. *If I know I will be drinking a fair bit (and not eating enough) I will sometimes pop an antiemetic pill :)
    I also feel incredibly nauseous if I drink too much espresso. Espresso, not caffeine! I can drink stupid quantities of caffeine, but excessive espresso shooting makes me feel really sick. Im told its something to do with the oils and retro-nasals.

    Sanch, Id never thought to take anti-nausea medicine before embarking on a espresso-shooting spree. Hehehe, thanks for the tip!

    Look out Dan! ;D ;D ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 756F796C6C180 link=1238772508/14#14 date=1239004607
    Look out Dan!GrinGrinGrin
    haha, like I didnt know that you couldnt handle your coffee already, you had to go ahead and tell the whole world that youre soft heheheh

    Oh boy, too funny. ;D ;D ;D ;D You totally need to stock up in the anti-nausea meds before we go on a coffee crawl again haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by 657979667D1C0 link=1238772508/15#15 date=1239004875
    Quote Originally Posted by 756F796C6C180 link=1238772508/14#14 date=1239004607
    Look out Dan!GrinGrinGrin
    haha, like I didnt know that you couldnt handle your coffee already, you had to go ahead and tell the whole world that youre soft heheheh

    Oh boy, too funny. *;D ;D ;D ;D You totally need to stock up in the anti-nausea meds before we go on a coffee crawl again haha
    Ahem, pretty sure we agreed that its just a sensitive palate. 8-)

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    The 8 glasses of water theory is funny. Our farmers lived on cups of tea and beers at night (no water ever) and lived a healthy and full life. What a load of crap the experts feed us these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2532332D383932666566570 link=1238772508/17#17 date=1239012674
    The 8 glasses of water theory is funny. Our farmers lived on cups of tea and beers at night (no water ever) and lived a healthy and full life. What a load of crap the experts feed us these days.

    CB

    What the issue is that people take it out of context and then it becomes main stream..

    Fluid intake is a must and should be about equal to 8 glasses in volume...

    This gets re hashed to = 8 glasses of water and then get re done again to something even more.. ie. 4L

    Yes at some stage the systems need a flush and fresh water, but not 4L on top of healthy eating etc...

    We have a couple of girls that are alway in the toilets(over hydration) and every time they go to teh Drs their electrolytes and chemistry is down..

    So now they mix 4L water with so called Energy and Electrolyte boost drinks..

    What ever happened to reality and real world... How did all those before us survive, with no plastic bottles and 4L per day on top of food..

    I wonder... Oh... They had public phone boxes and bubblers ;D

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    Yeah, the modern obsession with sucking on a water bottle all day amuses me. I go to short meetings where people cannot manage for an hour without sucking on their bottles constantly. Then they disappear to the toilet every half hour. I walk for a half hour every morning and I see lots of walkers doing the same thing equipped with their water bottles (in case they get lost in the desert and dehydrate, no doubt) I dont own a water bottle - I just have a drink of water at waking, after my walk, at morning tea, lunch, afternoon tea and dinner. I do think you need to watch your water intake if drinking espressos or doubles however.

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    8 glasses to me equals less than 2 litres.

    My daughter is one of those water bottle carriers but she does exercise a lot.

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    ;D ;D ;D *Hello Mr Pot... this is Ms Kettle calling... *;D ;D ;D

    Coffee obsessives making value judgements about water obsessives, *way too funny *:D

    Cheers - Carrie (Coffee AND water drinker) *:-?

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    Have a shot at Googling: caffeine diuretic

    You may be surprised at what the actual research shows. :)


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    Quote Originally Posted by 547F687F6E7677727B1E0 link=1238772508/22#22 date=1239171636
    Have a shot at Googling: caffeine diuretic

    You may be surprised at what the actual research shows. :)
    I get (in order) using lmgtfy

    Possibly diuretic
    Not confirmed
    A "a scientific biological reason why caffeine would make you pee more"
    No more a diuretic than water
    On the way to being disproved
    mild diuretic

    I agree with the probably nots from personal experience but I dont drink a lot of coffee - usually 2 cups a day.

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    Thanks all for the answers.

    I checked my blood pressure one hour after I drink the coffee. It was ok.

    Im not sure what was wrong. Anyway I have some health problems. I was diagnosed with Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ten years ago, and usually I suffer some anxiety. :-/


    After I read pgar comments about coffee and fungus I found this article:

    http://www.thinkfungus.com/public/97.cfm?sd=21

    I think its very interesting. ;)

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    I would be very careful about medical diagnosis via the Internet, Oton. Someone, including experts, offering medical advice on the internet do not know your medical history. Pgar may be right, but if you assume he is you may overlook other possibilities and put yourself at risk.
    Dizziness is also a stress-related symptom (you mentioned anxiety) and the caffeine may have boosted these symptoms.

    The other part of Pgars advice was to visit a doctor. Thats the best advice to follow.

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    Michelle; come to think of it, the worst Ive been is after a few espresso. I can have two lattes when I wake up and be fine, even if im really tired and havent eaten. The other weekend I flew to brissy really early and then had a latte and an espresso at First Pour West End and came very close to chucking in my father-in-laws car :) Much like alcohol, if I line my stomach I do much better. Interesting. Oils and retro-nasals hey (i think thats my favourite word for today :) )

    And ditto with the doctor; with those symptoms who knows what the problem might be. I read everything with a healthy level of suspicion (especially online stuff). If youre concerned definitely see a Dr, even if it turns out to be nothing serious at least youve got more peace of mind.

    :)

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    Re: Poisoned by coffee?

    My other suggestion is that its not always the coffee... but maybe the lactose in the milk if a person is consuming several milk-based coffees.

    I make my Lattes with Lactose free milk and Im fine. If I use full-cream milk and have more than 1 coffee, I start to get stomach problems and diarrhoea.

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    Daughter developed stomach pains and "need to eat" feelings very soon after having her 1st coffee for 3 weeks, so she ate, even though she had not long had lunch, then felt sick because she was over full, but still felt hungry, and "yuck"

    The hungry sensation and pains lasted 3 days before the penny dropped. She was fine after a milk Milo at breakfast, but cr*p after a latte for morning coffee.

    In the name of science (Lab Med student) she braved a Mocha Java Decaf and had no ill effects, so it appears that she couldnt handle the sudden caffine hit, after being caffine free (too stingy to buy a real coffee) while away at uni, even one cup made her ill. *:(

    Her mid year break (when she has time to be ill) experiment is going to be to test her coffee/caffine tollerance, was it the bean or the caffine? :-?

    Maybe Ill need a decaf grinder ;D ;D ;D



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