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    Triple Shot? Whats the point?

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    Ok so this is out of a movie (swordfish) but he asks for a triple shot coffee!
    Is there any point and what difference does it make?
    If you had to make a triple shot would you make 3 separate grinds?

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    I would say that is a double shot (double basket) followed by a single shot, extra strong coffee.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    You can get 21g triples that will fit under some commercial machines, plus if you live in the US and drink 16-24 oz buckets of muck from $tirbucks you need triples :P

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    A triple basket came with my bottomless group handle; it wont fit in an uncut handle.

    Triple shot? Easy!

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    But can you pull a good 90mls from it?

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    mmm i feeling like one now, too much blood in my caffeine streem

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A545956415756380 link=1240557879/4#4 date=1240563618
    But can you pull a good 90mls from it?
    Why not?
    If you can get 30 from a single and 60 from a double whats so hard about getting 90 from a triple? :-?

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 162A372C262730252D26420 link=1240557879/6#6 date=1240582610
    Quote Originally Posted by 5A545956415756380 link=1240557879/4#4 date=1240563618
    But can you pull a good 90mls from it?
    Why not?
    If you can get 30 from a single and 60 from a double whats so hard about getting 90 from a triple? *:-?
    All within the 25-30 second time frame too. Thatd be a pretty awesome stream of espresso exiting the PF Spout(s)... :o

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    TG the reason I ask is that I use pretty close to a triple basket and am not getting a (quality) 90mls in 30 sec from the puck. If you are I would love to know what I can do to achieve your results.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    moto, we used to have a ECM Michealangelo that had triple baskets which we had 28gms in, and 90ml in 30 sec was beautiful. Are you sure the basket is triple and not just a deep double? how many grams of coffee are you getting into it?

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Depends on your version of triple I would consider 28g to be a quadruple (mine is a little 21g) so I would expect you would be right to push 90ml out of that much coffee. Where can you get 28 g baskets?

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 353B36392E3839570 link=1240557879/8#8 date=1240615011
    TG the reason I ask is that I use pretty close to a triple basket and am not getting a (quality) 90mls in 30 sec from the puck. If you are I would love to know what I can do to achieve your results.
    I only use my triple for making iced coffees and dont mind if its not a "perfect" pour so havent measured precisely.
    My answer was as it was because I believe that if you stick to the the principles and adjust grind and dose there should be no reason why its not possible.

    Pioneer Roasters reply appears to back me up.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5658555A4D5B5A340 link=1240557879/10#10 date=1240618185
    Depends on your version of triple I would consider 28g to be a quadruple (mine is a little 21g) so I would expect you would be right to *push 90ml out of that much coffee. Where can you get 28 g baskets?
    If you do the maths, 28gm is only 9gm per 30ml which to me is a good single dose.

    I got the baskets from ECA when they were doing the ECM machines. I would hope they still have some.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    TG just talking from my experience which is not being able to get any more than 60mls from my basket (21g), I have played with many variables including dose, tamp, grind, pressure, and temperature. I was interested because if I could get a good shot out of a bigger basket I would be able to speed up service for my 16 oz strong coffee drinkers (as well as lowering costs a little 28g instead of 42g).

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 323C313E293F3E500 link=1240557879/13#13 date=1240636327
    TG just talking from my experience which is not being able to get any more than 60mls from my basket (21g), I have played with many variables including dose, tamp, grind, pressure, and temperature
    Absolutely MC I too have no idea how to get more than 60ml from 21g but then again Im only a learner :D

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4354554B5E5F54000300310 link=1240557879/14#14 date=1240638089
    Quote Originally Posted by 323C313E293F3E500 link=1240557879/13#13 date=1240636327
    TG just talking from my experience which is not being able to get any more than 60mls from my basket (21g), I have played with many variables including dose, tamp, grind, pressure, and temperature
    Absolutely MC I too have no idea how to get more than 60ml from 21g but then again Im only a learner *:D
    When you chaps are talking about 21g baskets, is that the size the basket is labeled, or the weight of your dry puck?

    I mean, the average double basket is "14g" by definition, but with updosing being so popular, Id imagine most people would actually pack it with between 16-20g. Hence, it would not be unimaginable that the average triple basket could probably get packed with much more than 21g.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 353B36392E3839570 link=1240557879/13#13 date=1240636327
    my 16 oz strong coffee drinkers
    Better yet convince them coffee shouldnt be made in buckets and sell them 2 smaller ones for more $$ ;) Good luck with undoing the US brainwashing BTW :D

    Give me a double shot Latte in 8-10oz, speaking of which my MTE 549 is due for opening 8-)

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    I hear you beanflying I have never understood the urge for the massive drink but I sell more 16oz than 8 oz. People want "value" and they see the big one and think great more coffee. I also have the problem that I only have one shot at each customer per day so they cant come back for the second small one.

    As for weighing the puck, havent done it for a while but I was getting around 19-20g in them. Sounds like I am just dealing with a simple old double I was going off the coffee parts definition of a triple basket (21g)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 685157565D5D4A676A57594B4C5D4A380 link=1240557879/9#9 date=1240615243
    moto, we used to have a ECM Michealangelo that had triple baskets which we had 28gms in, and 90ml in 30 sec was beautiful. Are you sure the basket is triple and not just a deep double? how many grams of coffee are you getting into it?
    Thats a massive dose Jason :o

    Surely with such a high dose you have to up the extraction pressure to pour freely (say 9 to 10 bar), unless the grind is coarser than usual, but with a HX would this mean higher temps burning the top layer of grind?

    As others have hinted at, any consumer wanting a bucket of coffee doesnt care about the taste, but just something with caffeine to energise their blood-stream plus the milk in their tumm to tie them over until joining the queue at Maccas.

    HCK, I agree ... whats the point with a triple shot? A ristretto of 20ml poured in a 15 to 20 second time-frame gives the goods, in terms of taste.

    If I were to contemplate a 90ml pour, it would be from a 16gm basket double pf packed to 20+ grams, extracted to 40-45ml. Then done again ... separately with fresh pf & grind ;)

    Combine it, then texture your milk.

    Yep HCK, for quality, go for standard size baskets, but triple your time for triple the result. ;)

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Im going to try the triple basket with tomorrows breakfast coffee.
    Ill weigh the dose and time the shot and see what I get.

    Ive been pulling ristrettos though, so it will be a bit of a guess.
    If Its not close enough I may adjust and try again for my arvo shot.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3E303D322533325C0 link=1240557879/17#17 date=1240642846
    I hear you beanflying I have never understood the urge for the massive drink but I sell more 16oz than 8 oz. People want "value" and they see the big one and think great more coffee.
    Were the same, though our "small" is the 12oz. I only sell 8oz at functions (for good reasons not needed to be explained here.)

    I too dont understand the urge for that massive drink but we do go through more large than small. And Ive even noticed that when we get to the end of the frequent buyers card, they generally ask for the large.

    Honestly, I think that people out our way, dont want a stronger coffee by having a larger cup, rather I think that they just think that they are getting better value. (that is proved too when they ask for "not strong"!) Either that, or its better on their conscience when they go and dump half a dozen sugars into the drink! ::) One of the drinks that has me scratching my head is the very very weak latte with vanilla syrup in the 16oz cup...go figure that one! :o

    If they want strong, I find that I will get asked for a double shot in a smaller cup. Which if I think that theyre serious, I will do two separate single shots, rather than just run 60mls through the double basket, thats to ensure quality at my end.





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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4555595942576951575A360 link=1240557879/20#20 date=1240716384
    One of the drinks that has me scratching my head is the very very weak latte with vanilla syrup in the 16oz cup...go figure that one! :o

    Too cold for a vanilla milkshake? ;D

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5A525B5E545E584244370 link=1240557879/21#21 date=1240727936
    One of the drinks that has me scratching my head is the very very weak latte with vanilla syrup in the 16oz cup...go figure that one!
    I take the opinion that "Its not what I call coffee but if that is what the customer likes then thats what I make" I would love to be in a cafe environment and be able to offer those drinkers different blends so they could discover a coffee that they actually like.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Yep, same here moto...give em what they want is generally what we do too. But, I have had the pleasure over the years of establishing myself here as the maker of the best coffee around and so most people are willing then to go that step further with me and try something different. Hence why we now have a second grinder and offer up different coffee to our regular blend.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 11010D0D16033D05030E620 link=1240557879/20#20 date=1240716384
    I will do two separate single shots, rather than just run 60mls through the double basket
    Scoota, interesting that you consider that the single basket is superior to the double. I find the opposite and I never actually use the single as I find it too variable, do I need to work on my technique?

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    No, actually, I dont use the single basket at all. And I dont think that I can get a good 60 ml from a double basket either, as much as I have tried...so, there is either something wrong with my technique or its not possible...

    What I see is a good 30ml and then an average 30 ml if I run 60ml through the double. What I want is two good 30ml, so hence why I do two separate shots.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2E34223737430 link=1240557879/15#15 date=1240641202
    When you chaps are talking about 21g baskets, is that the size the basket is labeled, or the weight of your dry puck?
    I have a Synesso double basket and yes it takes 21gms dry weight, as I have gone to the trouble of weighing it on jewelry scales (as you do), but most shots I pull are 30ml unless I want a little more for a slightly larger flat white cup then its 45ml :D

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4255544A5F5E55010201300 link=1240557879/26#26 date=1240911874
    I have a Synesso double basket and yes it takes *21gms dry weight, as I have gone to the trouble of weighing it on jewelry scales (as you do)
    Is that whole beans or ground beans? Im still struggling with obtaining consistency.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    I understand what you mean about getting 60ml from a double, I am getting closer I think, I have been playing with a finer grind and a lower dose and I seem to be improving the volume of good extraction I am getting. It is also more consistent.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

    Sorry I havent been back to this thread.

    On my first attempt with the triple basket I decided I might ned to coursen the grind a little first.
    My mistake.
    The basket has more holes. Duh! Shot ran a bit fast.

    Second attempt, back to original grind setting, shot still ran a bit fast but looked a little under dosed (compared to my double basket up dosing).
    Still ran a bit fast.
    (Forgot to weigh the beans.)

    Next attempt will be up dosed a little and I hope to remember to weigh the dose.

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    Re: Triple Shot? Whats the point?

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    I asked for a double shot yesterday and they said that their standard offering is a double shot ristretto anyways, so would I like that doubled? HELL YES.

    It was so good, i was suckling the spout of the takeaway trying to get the last drops before wed even left the suburb. I asked if we could circle back to get another and was shot down :(

    I think a triple shot does sound yummy but Ive never had a triple basket to try making it all at once with.



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