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    coffee pods and capsules

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    will coffee pods take off in australia ?

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    Hmmm... sounds like you are commercially interested.

    But no I dont believe so. We already have a market saturated with espresso and cafes everywhere. Unlike the US where espresso wasnt so common too long ago so an easy DIY alternative could take off.

    I may (read probably) be entirely misinformed/wrong.

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    Pods have a place but it is not in my cup I was thinking about ;)

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    Dont think so - my mother in law bought me a machine for a pod system and I kept using it to be nice but eventually had reason to give up the fašade because less and less places were stocking the pods.

    Bit of a dodo.

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    Re: coffee pods

    A friend went out and purchased a Nespreso set-up after I had tried to educate them in the finer points of good espresso, it all fell on deaf ears!! ::) ::) ::) ::)

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    Its just like going through School... start on instant... then upgrades to pods....wow congrats, heres a candy! Then hopefully the natural conversion occurs to drip/plunger/espresso then comes universty with advanced dosing, grind, latte art and then the phds in cupping, home correto roasting and origin tasting and appreciation.

    Oh and the porsche in the form of a swanky machine fits somewhere in there as well... part of the natural evolution as everything else. *:D

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    Re: coffee pods

    I dont think that the Aussie culture is into them.

    If you have a look on Evilbay you sometimes see them. Usually very new and less than a 1/4 of the new price.

    Or said else where, why do it when you have the real thing around the corner. As Marital Monkey said this market is already saturated with espresso.
    The machines themselves start at a couple of hundred dollars and then creep into the Silvia territory.
    The Pods start at 60cent and go to a dollar each, and you are stuck with them. If you are paying $30/kilo for your roasted then a 7g shot is 21cents and a 14g shot 42cents.
    So Nespresso doesnt make cents ;D

    Sure, good idea if you are lazy but what happens if Pods die off? You are stuck with a useless dodo machine. Would give you a very melicious feeling. >:(

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    I forsee a future "retro collectable" like the old turntables!!! ;D ;D ;D
    Just another idea that seemed pretty good, got rolled out and failed. It will soon be all over and every dodo slowly gathering dust in the back of grannys garage and no one will ever mention them again except as novelties and trivia questions.

    Btw, having a garage or three full of useless old bits and bobs is a very melicious thing to do, but even Ive ditched mine! Some things are worth saving for spare parts and come backs.

    Some things are worth setting fire to. ;D Roasted dodo anyone? Theyre very tasty!

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    Re: coffee pods

    We have the Nespresso pod machine and accompanying "cappucinator" here at work.

    Its a step up from instant coffee, but not much better. If you are a home user, i would steer clear. Never tastes very fresh, poor froth, poor crema (if any), the list goes on... you cant control much of anything!

    It is good at producing mass amounts of coffee throughout the day but ive never been the slightest bit impressed by the quality of coffee it produces. Its probably suited best to the corporate environment.

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    Re: coffee pods

    Saw my first pod a few years ago in a motel I was staying at.
    Havent seen one since.
    I dont think even George Clooney flogging them is going to have a long term effect.
    A few people will buy them because of the current marketing and then theyll gather dust.

    Conversely, Im finding with my freshly roasted coffee that more people are dropping by for a visit.

    Only this weekend I ran out of clean cups and had to quickly wash some to satisfy the hordes.
    Luckily I have about 80 more in the garage; Ill have to bring in another half dozen. ::)

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    Re: coffee pods

    I only have had pod-coffee once... in Italy (!) at Padova University. My host was very embarrassed (rightly so) that they did not have proper espresso at their Department.

    Needless to say, I was not impressed by it. All other coffees I had on that trip were good though. :)

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    Pods have some potential - (a coffee teabag, nitrogen flushed, good ground coffee). Can be better coffee than some auto machines and far less mess in a corporate environment than a manual machine. Need some good roasters using them and they might take off.

    Capsules - Nespreso style are land fill. 1/2 instant 1/2 grounds and not much of either in the tiny capsule. Sucker bet at best.


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    Could be better than some of the coffees Ive had at cafes tho * ;D

    well couldnt be worse

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    Re: coffee pods

    I remember now another pod coffee Ive had.
    I was didtracted by talking to a work colleague just as Id ordered a double shot flat white from the bakery downstairs from where I worked in North Sydney and looked up, too late, to see that theyd used Illy pods in their machine.
    First and last time at that place. ::)

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    Re: coffee pods

    Andy, you are making a distinction between pods & Nespresso capsules. Are you just calling anything that is not a Nespresso capsule a pod - or is there a difference. I thought the term pod & capsule were interchangeable, whilst acknowledging that there are different makers.

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    Re: coffee pods

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F525E56443D0 link=1241093904/14#14 date=1242299211
    Andy, you are making a distinction between pods & Nespresso capsules
    They are totally different things (ergo the distinction in my post).

    Pictures will help...

    These are little plastic thingys with a foil tear-off. *1/2 instant coffee and 1/2 ground coffee. *Bad for the planet and not too great for your tastebuds either. *They only work in the companies own machines.



    The below is a pod. *Teabag style, comes in a wrapper (not quite as bad for the planet), 7g single and 14g double shot packets, often nitrogen flushed and are pretty popular for low volumes of decaf as the cafe doesnt need a 2nd grinder. *Most espresso machines can use an adaptor in the filter basket for these.




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    Re: coffee pods

    Mmmmm they look so tasty ;D

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    Re: coffee pods

    Looking at the bling on the Nespresso machines just makes me think of the old saying:

    "You cant polish a turd".



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    Re: coffee pods

    Quote Originally Posted by 5E594C5A57416709010101380 link=1241093904/17#17 date=1242363556
    Looking at the bling on the Nespresso machines just makes me think of the old saying:

    "You cant polish a turd".
    Or as my partner, who is a primary school teacher, is wont to say: You cant polish a turd - but you can cover it in glitter. Something, it would seem, the Nespresso machine designers seem to have taken to heart...

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    ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 585F4A5C5147610F0707073E0 link=1241093904/17#17 date=1242363556
    "You cant polish a turd".
    I saw a recent Myth Busters that busted this myth.
    The guys had a go a polishing lion dung and another type I cant remember.

    Tested it and both had a high gloss finish, so apparently you can.
    Dosent mean it would taste good tho

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    Re: coffee pods

    But you gotta ask.... :-?


    Who the hell would want to? ;D ;D

    Good one Brett 8-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7B57545156676F380 link=1241093904/20#20 date=1242366815
    I saw a recent Myth Busters that busted this myth.
    Who in their right mind would classify that as a Myth?
    They must have been getting desperate for show ideas ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4A66656067565E090 link=1241093904/20#20 date=1242366815
    Quote Originally Posted by 585F4A5C5147610F0707073E0 link=1241093904/17#17 date=1242363556
    "You cant polish a turd".
    I saw a recent Myth Busters that busted this myth.
    The guys had a go a polishing lion dung and another type I cant remember.

    Tested it and both had a high gloss finish, so apparently you can.
    Dosent mean it would taste good tho
    Yep it can be done and worked better with the carnivore Vs the herbivore... Too much Fiber in teh herbivore.

    I say go the the Carnivores

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    Re: coffee pods

    What concerns me AM is that you know that ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 45696A6F685951060 link=1241093904/24#24 date=1242372658
    What concerns me AM is that you know that * ;D
    What do you think most middle and upper management do these days... ;)

    Got to dress it up to make sure the public buys the spin that goes with it.. :o :o


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    Re: coffee pods

    Thanks for the explanation Andy. I was confused because I have seen (& tasted) the Nespresso capsules used in a Krups machine (not in any way impressed) and also tasted the capsules used in the commercial machines that you can get placed in your Office at no cost apart from the capsules at $1. each. (not impressed either)
    When I saw the term pod I thought it must have been an alternate name for the capsules. I was not aware that the Nespresso capsules contain instant as well as ground coffee. No wonder I was underwhelmed by the several I tasted (bitter, acid, characterless)

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    Only to glad to help (unless I have to polish poo).

    The capsules are often imported with a random manufacture date. Clever marketing by some include avery pretty (rain forrest timber?) timber case with a range of flavours.
    (the range includes yuck, errr, ummm, blugh and what?!)

    Pods have at least some potential if good roasters start to use them for office machines.

    Fresh roasted, fresh ground will always be better but the mess, noise and time stops lots of offices from getting an espresso machine.

    Superauto or pod seem a fair option to me... although good pre-ground in a plunger is a great choice.


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    I just noticed the very sloppy photoshop work on the "bling" machines. The inside of the espresso cup handle wasnt cutout (from the original white background) and the right cup was cut rough with a square edge.

    tsk tsk... maybe those two machines didnt just pour those shots.

    ;D

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    Quote Originally Posted by 725D574A330 link=1241093904/28#28 date=1242487618
    I just noticed the very sloppy photoshop work on the "bling" machines
    Maybe, they are paying to much money for all the floor space the nespresso products are taking up in Myer City store.
    Went there recently to get a specific toy with my son, what was once a massive toy department is now so small.
    I also noticed on the way to the toy dept that the nespresso products have quite a lot of space.

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    I really, really want to believe that its a good product (not necessarily ultra fantastic wet-your-pants good, but "good"). Its just such a shame so much marketing and (in some cases) beautiful packaging goes into it. Sometimes I think these sorts of things are aimed at a crowd that doesnt actually like coffee, but wants to look sophisticated (coffee is cool I guess).

    Just look at the names, and imagine a seductive lady pronouncing them..."essenza. lattissima. le cube".

    For real, "le cube"...ugh.

    EDIT: Basically, it seems like the engineers got a pittance, and the artists everything. Sometimes this budget division works, and sometimes it doesnt (cf. bridges).

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    Re: coffee pods

    I have a question for Andy Freeman regarding his earlier post:

    Quote Originally Posted by 1D3238255C0 link=1241093904/15#15 date=1242360863
    These are little plastic thingys with a foil tear-off. *1/2 instant coffee and 1/2 ground coffee. *
    My question is how was it concluded that the Nespresso capsules contain 1/2 instant and 1/2 ground coffee? :-?

    As far as I know, they are 100% ground coffee, hermetically sealed in an aluminum capsule with a foodsafe lining that prevents the coffee from touching the aluminum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32312323273129500 link=1241093904/6#6 date=1241135216
    If you have a look on Evilbay you sometimes see them. Usually very new and less than a 1/4 of the new price.
    hmm interesting...what do the used ones go for? ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 352320223523233F676767500 link=1241093904/31#31 date=1244218960
    My question is how was it concluded that the Nespresso capsules contain 1/2 instant and 1/2 ground coffee?
    Opening one up would be a pretty good way to check- but ultimately, who cares. Theyre literally garbage anyway ::)

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    Up late but still funny Chris! ;D

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    Re: coffee pods

    This BBC news report says it is just great marketing
    A handsome George Clooney gets a mention as the advertising ambassador

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7920836.stm

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7365666473656579212121160 link=1241093904/31#31 date=1244218960
    they are 100% ground coffee, hermetically sealed in an aluminum capsule with a foodsafe lining that prevents the coffee from touching the aluminum
    Sounds like "insider speak" to me.

    Welcome to Coffee Snobs espresso777.
    Interesting first post.

    Who are you and where do you work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37020F083C200C05050606630 link=1241093904/32#32 date=1244224434
    Opening one up would be a pretty good way to check- but ultimately, who cares. Theyre literally garbage anyway ::)
    Well of course youre going to say that, theyre literally gnawing away at your companys market. ;)

    Do I smell a strongly biased opinion? ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3A2C2F2D3A2C2C306868685F0 link=1241093904/36#36 date=1244248647

    Well of course youre going to say that, theyre literally gnawing away at your companys market. *;)

    Do I smell a strongly biased opinion? *::)
    :-?

    Gnawing away at Chris market?

    Riiiight

    Hey CSrs, hands up who is going to junk their espresso machine in favour of pods? ;D ;D ;D

    Maybe we need a poll..... ;)

    Welcome espresso777, but I think they are in different markets.

    Love to hear your answer to TGs question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6458455E545542575F54300 link=1241093904/35#35 date=1244248529
    Quote Originally Posted by 7365666473656579212121160 link=1241093904/31#31 date=1244218960
    they are 100% ground coffee, hermetically sealed in an aluminum capsule with a foodsafe lining that prevents the coffee from touching the aluminum
    Sounds like "insider speak" to me.

    Welcome to Coffee Snobs espresso777.
    Interesting first post.

    Who are you and where do you work?
    hehe ok I guess a bit of an explanation is needed, let me explain...

    I am in the market for a good espresso machine lately, and Ive been doing a bit of research. I came across the Nespresso machines when I was at one of the local stores. They explained the system to me and even gave me a nice espresso shot to try. As much as it kills me to say it, I must admit that the coffee didnt taste too bad. I would even go as far as saying that it was quite good.

    I went home and decided to read some machine reviews online to help me better understand what its all about. They were all mostly positive reviews, but when I stumbled upon this website, every single mention of a Nespresso machine is a negative one. What bothered me a little bit is the firm insistence that the capsules contain 1/2 instant coffee. Now I have tasted the coffee myself, I have seen what is inside the capsules, and I have even confirmed it online. Theres no instant coffee in there.

    What Im trying to figure out is whether there is a good reason that should prevent me from buying the Nespresso machine, and whether any of the criticism is either true or justified.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 554340425543435F070707300 link=1241093904/36#36 date=1244248647
    ...theyre literally gnawing away at your companys market...
    Many times over my coffee journey Ive seen it said that there is a significant gap between the "easy to use" and "hard to please" type consumers - the overlap wouldnt be that big would it?

    Quote Originally Posted by 554340425543435F070707300 link=1241093904/31#31 date=1244218960
    My question is how was it concluded that the Nespresso capsules contain 1/2 instant and 1/2 ground coffee?
    They dont look big enough for 7g of coffee? *I opened one up and it wasnt packed particularly hard (guaranteed to gush?) but it looked like ordinary grinds - maybe its one of those secret Swiss chemistry tricks rather than traditional instant?


    The thing that pisses me off most about capsules is the over-packaging gone mad - a choice for Al & plastic landfill vs 7g of compost *>:( *They should be forced to include the recycling in the purchase price.

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    Re: coffee pods

    Hi espresso 777

    To put in a nutshell most CS members know of the
    3-3-3 freshness rule
    Up to 3 years for green coffee
    Up to 3 weeks for roasted coffee
    Up to 3 minutes for ground coffee

    Now the one that may answer your query is
    Up to 3 minutes for ground coffee
    It matters not if it is sealed

    The issue is and always be freshness

    Having said that most CS members will tell you that a quality grinder can be a better investment than a machine
    With a good grinder you can employ many and varied methods of making coffee
    Starting with a $50 machine e.g. Aeropress

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by 756360627563637F272727100 link=1241093904/38#38 date=1244249988
    What Im trying to figure out is whether there is a good reason that should prevent me from buying the Nespresso machine
    Better tasting coffee from a semi-automatic machine.

    KK mentioned the staleness of the coffee in a pod.
    Fresh coffee vents gas.
    If the coffee in a pod was fresh, the pod would balloon and pop.
    Ive ground coffee fresh and sealed it in a ziplock bag after squeezing out as much air as possible and tasted that coffee hours later.
    It wasnt anywhere near the quality that it was straight after grinding.

    So the answer is "taste".

    Where are you?
    A CS or sponsor may be able to make you a coffee that will make you forget about the "quite good" Nespresso you sampled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7B6D6E6C7B6D6D712929291E0 link=1241093904/38#38 date=1244249988
    What Im trying to figure out is whether there is a good reason that should prevent me from buying the Nespresso machine, and whether any of the criticism is either true or justified.
    Couple of things look at the ongoing cost per shot, they cost more.

    The coffee in all cases will be more stale than what it is possible to buy as whole brown beans. Factual info coffee when ground has thousands of times the surface area of a whole bean so the degradation rate is much quicker. Variation in coffee styles is far more limited .......

    If you like the theoretical convieneience of pods buy a real espresso machine that has a pod adaptor at least that way you can try "Real Coffee" as well ;D

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    I can think of many reasons not to purchase a nespresso
    • frehsness of coffee
    • control over dosage

    This is just the tip of the iceberg
    To make a great espresso you need to be in as much control of every aspect of the stage from the quality of the beans to the grind, the tamp and ultimate use of the machine you have.

    Questions on ease of use of a machine and the like will also come into play, it all depends on what you are after.

    There is no comparison between a nespresso machine and a Giotto or VBM as the processes and variables involved in the coffee making process cannot be compared.

    Is Chris trying to protect his market from the nespresso? Nope why would he when they are not even in the same league. To evaluate the coffee out of each type of machine you need to road test them, you will find an espresso from Chris and the machines he sells would blow the nespresso result off the bench.

    But you need to make that comparison yourself dont rely on others, if you want some honest unbiased responses then ask people from this forum and sponsors. Yes the sponsors want to sell you a machine but dont forget they value return business just as much and are all proud and passionate about what they do.

    Personally i think they are coffee lovers first, salesmen second.
    I think you will find that all sponsors are of a similar opinion but i havent polled them so i may be wrong but i doubt it.

    The coffee journey is as much about education as well as the end result, that is why this forum and sponsor support is so good.

    I will stick to my giotto, the only pods i want to see are the ones with chocoloate in them in the biscuit aisle.

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    The only thing I would add is the fun in making the espresso as well.

    My wife always says it is just as much about the procedure as the coffee itself. I would have to agree. I love the roast, the grind, tamp, pour...

    Its a tactile thing. And the results can be truly fantastic.

    I would imagine that this is the market that Chris caters to, and therefore those interested in a pod machine arent really his market.

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    Ok....seems we need a totally unbiased poll so that we can provide some feedback and opinion to [s]^est(e employees masquereding as CSers[/s] those wanting our opinions...

    I have added one *8-)

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    haha nice work!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 09564E585358545D5D5E5E565A553B0 link=1241093904/45#45 date=1244257901
    Ok....seems we need a totally unbiased poll so that we can provide some feedback and opinion to [s]^est(e employees masquereding as CSers[/s] those wanting our opinions...

    I have added one *8-)

    You left off the "all of the above" option... :(

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    So Cruel and yet so right ;)

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    Re: coffee pods

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight

    Voted for the landfill option.

    I wouldnt let a kitty litter in it.




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