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    Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

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    Apart from the “looks good” on some of the expensive Tampers out there on the market, Pullman being one as an example, very smart looking Tamper. *Is there any other reasons I should be spending around $150 for just a tamper?

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    I have had "cheaper" tampers before.

    Bought a Pullman. If I buy another tamper, Greg will be getting my money!

    There is the joy of using an item that has the quality feel.
    The fact that the base is machined to fit a basket that you order from him, makes the tamping process easier.
    And the lines on the side to give an indication of dose and level.

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    The price of a tamper is relative to many factors

    In the case of the Pullman it is hand made, in high quality S/steel to fit a specific basket size
    These tampers or at least 90% are made to order

    Now to your question
    Build quality and production run aside *

    All tampers will do the job adequately, except the plastic ones
    Things to remember are
    The better the fit the better the result

    I chose the Pullman not only for the fit & great balance but for the height adjustment as I have large hands
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    You can buy $3 hammers at the reject shop or $100 hammers at a specialty tool shop, both hammer nails but you will still be driving nails in 40 years with one and smile when you use it while the other will have a wobbly head and be unbalanced within a few uses 8-)

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Getting a good solid tamper that actually fit my basket made a huge difference to me.
    My Silvia and even the Expobar came with the cruddy, non-fitting plastic tamper that is really useless. Although, it does seem to make good dolls house furniture according to my little girl.

    How much you spend and what type you end up going for, well thats personal choice, but Im sure youll find spending the money delivers more than something that just looks nice.

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Many have said they had immediately better coffee after buying a Pullman tamper.

    I know my first cheap one made preparation difficult.

    I now own two (as Ive changed baskets) and the first one is relegated to sitting near the machine on "looking good" duties.
    Theres nothing wrong with getting a nice looking tamper that also does a better job than the cheapies.

    An alternative would be to visit Coffee Parts, taking your basket with you, and checking out what tampers Pedro has.
    I was lucky enough to win a SS one in a CS competition and used it at work with the Sunbeam 6910.

    Even though the fit wasnt as good as my Pullman combo, the quality of it is apparent in just the weight and feel of it.
    It seemed to make the tamping almost effortless.


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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    I had a laugh.... ;D

    Not only do I have a (small) collection of Gregs Custom Tampers but I also have a number of beautiful Tamper Handles that I swap around as the urge grabs me. Really important, not only to have a good (or great in the case of Pullman Tampers) Tamper, but when form and function meld together so darn well, they are just a joy to own, use and admire. Pretty cheap for all of that satisfaction I reckon..... 8-)

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    Alright, you guys got me sold on the Silvia + Rocky combo. *And now I think I need to find myself a nice Pullman Tamper to go along with it as well.

    The package I ordered comes with a rosewood tamper as a gift, so I guess I have to put it up on the for sale section once I got them..
    ;D ;D ;D

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    SPL.G, you simply must tell me how the Pullman compares with the rosewood! I think I am getting the same tamper, and the same Silvia machine.

    How is it possible that upgraditis has hit me before my package has even arrived...?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6C75727B696F7D711C0 link=1241740804/8#8 date=1241775749
    SPL.G, you simply must tell me how the Pullman compares with the rosewood! I think I am getting the same tamper, and the same Silvia machine.

    How is it possible that upgraditis has hit me before my package has even arrived...?
    Post Purchase Dissonance

    Very common the night after a wedding... ;D

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-purchase_rationalization

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    I only have one tamper, a Pullman, do i want to go buy another??
    Nup, cost aside, i dont see the need as it works perfectly (unlike the operator at times).
    The pullman was thrown in with the purchase of the machine and after comparing it with what is supplied i can see why it was done.

    They are worlds apart, my pullman fits like a glove, i have i guess average size hands so it fits great and i get consistent results.

    When i bought my Macap grinder i didnt even bother to fit the tamp attachment to it as i thought it was just second rate in comparison.

    In everything. You get what you pays for!!!

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    I have a small collection of tampers too...

    One gifted to me by the lovely John Doyle...a very gracious present that helped me in a big way get my technique correct. Ive never had any callouses since!

    My work tamper is currently a Coffeelabs tamper. I have the purple one and I love the rubber on the top of the tamper and the base. It is also adjustable to the size of my smallish hand. Im very guarded about my tamper...get quite cross when others use it. It is after all...MINE! I paid for it and its for my use. No one else...got it!? ;D

    Ive "loaned" another tamper out to my friendly boss who has the Lanna machine. I think its the rosewood handle one but seeing as I cant use it at work and Ive still happily got JDs tamper at home, I dont mind them having it.

    So, yes, youll find a few tampers lying around the house of Scoots... :D

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    As someone who has something like ten tampers, I can quite comfortably say that I think that the importance of the tamper is vastly overrated online. *

    People wax lyrical about how their shots improved after getting an expensive tamper, but when you scratch the surface, these are often posts by people whose only frame of reference is the totally pathetic plastic thing that comes with most machines. *People often talk about fit of the tamper to the basket, as though having a 58.56mm tamper in a 58.58mm basket will self-evidently get you a better shot than having a generic 58mm tamper (yet, to my recollection, no one has ever written about selecting a filter basket with the closest possible diameter to the shower screen). *Frankly, I cant recall ever having really noticed much of a difference in the cup between cheap, but pretty much OK, tampers and expensive ones - even if the cheap, but OK, tamper is made of plastic. *

    The demeral, vivace, pullman and espro tampers have various features that make things easier for beginners and people who want to maintain consistency and, if you make lots of coffee in one stint, a tamper that is comfortable to use might help to prevent RSI. *Beyond that, I dont really know that spending money on tampers gets you anything especially practical. *That said, you can see that I play devils advocate a lot - I was able to compile a pretty good list of reasons to buy a more expensive tamper[/url][/u].

    If were talking about value for money, though, then we ought to acknowledge the reality of the situation: spending more money on a tamper invariably means spending less money on other coffee stuff. *All of a sudden, that changes the question that we are trying to answer to "what should I spend my money on?" *If your aim is to get a better cup, then expensive tampers would be pretty low down on my list.

    Cheers,

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Thanks Luca !!! as a newbie learning this helps stop a thinking like the bad tradesman blaming his tools... Got to practice more on technique... Plus I really could not afford an expensive one at the moment ;D

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2C35323B292F3D315C0 link=1241740804/8#8 date=1241775749
    SPL.G, you simply must tell me how the Pullman compares with the rosewood! I think I am getting the same tamper, and the same Silvia machine. *
    I think you’ll be recieving your machine before I do, pingusam. *:)


    Quote Originally Posted by 30293F3D5C0 link=1241740804/12#12 date=1241788866
    If were talking about value for money, though, then we ought to acknowledge the reality of the situation: spending more money on a tamper invariably means spending less money on other coffee stuff.All of a sudden, that changes the question that we are trying to answer to "what should I spend my money on?"
    Very sensible thinking! *I think at this point, I would really like to attend a good coffee course and then a latte art class. *After that, a nice Pullman Tamper for the looks good feel good factor. :D *

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    It is really a little bit expensive for a tamper

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    Quote Originally Posted by 243231332432322E222E27272424410 link=1241740804/15#15 date=1241840924
    It is really a little bit expensive for a tamper
    Part of the point with all things in life is that cost is only part of the buying equation a Ferrari on Australian roads is only allowed to do the same speed as a 20 year old Commodore, true is is more stylish and has more bling factor etc but is does tha same thing for a lot less money.

    A Sunbeam 6910 can make a pretty darn good coffee when used correctly as can a GS3 but both are also capable of rubbish ;)

    Buying is still part functional, need, desire and price.

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    Just dropped in at Di Bartoli today, got a bag of fresh bean and few accessories (too bad they didn’t stock any Pullman). *Very friendly and helpful staffs I must say. *Was also lucky to grab a spot for the next barista workshop (it said fully booked on the website, but there is another spot left after me, be quick if anyone is interested). *I can’t wait….

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    Ill second Lucas talk about certain tampers reducing rsi. *In a previous job I had to use a default tamper. *While it resulted in a certain flavour profile that was worthwhile for consistency across baristas it also would have ruined my barista career had I stayed in that role for another year due to the uncomfortable fit with my hand. *

    I think Ill make a general statement here and say that all good tampers will do a good job, and Ive even been able to get magnificent shots just by using the supplied tamper with the sunbeam em6910 (disclosure- I am contracted to train the brisbane classes). *Where these tampers start to differ is in comfort level and repeatability of shots when making many coffees in a row. *Some will be slightly more intuitive than others but this is a very personal question because each barista presents with his or her own unique physical circumstances and experience. *My three favourites are the reg barber, the espressocraft and surprisingly, the espro (after using it at the veneziano stand during the aasca tradeshow and revisiting it during a couple of shifts at first pour). *If anything I recommend finding yourself a little tamper study group somewhere and comparing them carefully on a set of machines (no knocking and/or dropping of those delicate babies! :D).

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B6D6E6C7B6D6D717D7178787B7B1E0 link=1241740804/15#15 date=1241840924
    It is really a little bit expensive for a tamper
    Thats a subjective opinion.

    Besides which, you seemed to have a vested interest in another tamper manufacturer. >:(

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    My Pullman Tamper collection originated because I cant bear to part with them as I have changed machines over time... The workmanship is just so darn good theyre like small works of functional art to me. Each to his own though and in the overall scheme of things, the cost of a good tamper isnt usually going to break the bank, especially if you hang on to it for a few decades.... ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 534A5C5E3F0 link=1241740804/12#12 date=1241788866
    People wax lyrical about how their shots improved after getting an expensive tamper,
    Im sure I remember you doing that in at least one of those 1600+ posts Luca!

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    I have a Pullman tamper and a Sunbeam 6910 and found that a good tamper made all the difference to getting better shots .
    Yes they are expsensive. But you pay for what you get, a quality Australian made product. Thats pretty rare these days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 393526202D3631353A540 link=1241740804/22#22 date=1241901331
    Yes they are expensive. But you pay for what you get, a quality Australian made product.
    I dunno though... :-?

    Expensive to me usually means something that you have purchased doesnt perform as well as expected or disappoints in some other way like manufacturing quality, materials used, longevity or marginal suitability for purpose. The Pullman Tampers only tick positives in all of these areas for me and as such I have never considered them to be expensive.... 8-)

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    I understand what martybean means Mal.

    I agree they are considered expensive but you and I agree they are worth the price.

    Let me compare to a meal I had, many years ago now, where Tetsuyas restaurant now sits.

    At the time there was another restaurant on the site called Suntory.
    I tried walking in one night without a reservation and was politely sent packing.
    On the way out I noticed the cheapest car in the carpark was a Mercedes.

    After some research I found out this place was supposed to be pretty good so my wife and I saved up our bickies and booked dinner for my next birthday.

    Now in those days a good meal at a good restaurant would set you back about $40 a head.

    I wont go into details about the food and service except to say there was plenty of food, it was faultless and the service was exceptional.

    Dinner cost us $100 each!!!

    Expensive? Yes.
    Overpriced? Absolutely not.

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    I think I am with Luca on this one. I have a $20 tamper that would bind on my Breville basket. A little carefull work with a grinder rotating the tamper by hand while grinding resulted in a near perfect fit.

    Now to the "tamping" . I live on a farm and have put in a few fence posts over the years, when backfilling the hole, the earth needs to be tamped or you quickly end up with a wobbly post. If you fill the hole and then just tamp at the end , you also end up with a wobbly post , no matter how hard you tamp. The key to success is to tamp as you backfill, giving even compression. result - post stays firm for years.

    I now apply the same principle to my coffee. My tamper has a rounded handle, so I invert it and gently tamp my basket of loosely packed coffee with a series of taps with the handle, refill to the top of the basket and finish off in the conventional way with the tamper.

    Since doing this I have been getting very consistent shot timings - it seems to decrease any chance of channeling. I would imagine you could do the same thing with a Pulman tamper.

    I would be interested to know if anyone else has tried this method of tamping ?

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    Hi Sam

    Interesting motivation, the fencing. I havent used your technique. However, like many others around here, I gently tap the grouphandle on the benchtop a few times when filling up the basket. I guess, its not that different an approach in order to evenly distribute a consistent amount of coffee.

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    Interesting thread...

    Its possible not to tamp at all and get a great shot if the distribution is good. I have also resorted to the always available palm tamper when I have forgotten a tamper and still got good results *:D.

    I guess it comes down to a whole heap of factors and for me design is one of them. A well designed tamper does the job, feels good and looks fab. Gregs tampers tick all of those boxes for me...

    I can buy a kitchen knife for $5 and it will cut stuff, but I choose to buy expensive, well-designed knives which I know will outlast me. Im happy to pay for good design and quality...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 075840565D565A5353505058545B350 link=1241740804/27#27 date=1241996572
    Interesting thread...

    Its possible not to tamp at all and get a great shot if the distribution is good. I have also resorted to the always available palm tamper when I have forgotten a tamper and still got good results *:D.

    I guess it comes down to a whole heap of factors and for me design is one of them. A well designed tamper does the job, feels good and looks fab. Gregs tampers tick all of those boxes for me...

    I can buy a kitchen knife for $5 and it will cut stuff, but I choose to buy expensive, well-designed knives which I know will outlast me. Im happy to pay for good design and quality...
    I also like the look... People still judge every thing by the cover...

    I mean, I chose my wife cause she new her place and what she had to do to keep me happy... Looks and Personality had nothing to do with it ;)

    Thus even in teh kitchen or in a coffee shop... The emotional hijacking is an important step in gain the confidence and respect of the clients..

    If I see some one with a cheep tamp or using their hand ;) my biases will be activated and I may be more critical... Yes, if teh coffee is good / great... Who cares...

    If I see a Barista with their own tamp and or something that looks like it is meant for the job.. Then I am already half way through the experience, as I have been hijacked into believing the Barista knows his job..

    Sure... The final outcome is in teh cup... But the Tamp is part of the package.. Just like the Barista dress and manner.. Coffee is an experience not just the drink..

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    As far as Im concerned there are four main tampers: Pullman, Coffeelab, Espro and Reg Barber. I have used all of these tampers in a commercial environment. I used to think that there wasnt really much difference between these top-end tampers, mainly appearance and design. They all did exactly the same thing.

    I competed using a Pullman, which I enjoyed using. The Espro is interesting to use, especially when trying to refine your tamp pressure. I enjoy the adjustability of the Coffeelab.

    But Reg...after using a Reg Barber I was changed! I had never felt control or senstivity like that before. Its hard to say how it feels without getting too wanky! You need to try a Reg.

    Im firmly converted.

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    Any tamper will squash coffee to one degree or another. As some have mentioned, what you pay for in the more expensive units are, to one degree or another: longevity, weight, balance, aesthetics, size, comfort, ergonomics, individual craftsmanship and of course personal preference. Some dont care about those, others do; but thats what you pay for.

    A difference in diameter of 0.02mm isnt suddenly going to bring on peripheral channelling, but you dont have to move too far from a fitted tamper to start getting an untamped ridge of coffee up the side of the basket. Once thats there people start knocking the portafilter to remove it which can fracture the puck. Alternatively leave it there and it ends up collecting around the group (a moderate version of the outcome from not tamping at all - can still get good results as Chris said but makes a lot more mess and requires a much stricter cleaning regime). A properly fitting tamper prevents either occurrence.

    As to the effect of smaller and smaller tampers, obviously the further you move from a correct fit, the greater the untamped area around the edges of the basket. As Ive said before this may not affect the top end machines with excellent stability, water distribution and pre-infusion which can smooth out some of the inconsistencies caused by a loose tamper, but machines which lack these things (pretty well everything <$1500) are much more likely to be affected by an unevenly packed puck. Put another way, with a properly fitting tamper you lose nothing on any machine but stand to gain anything from a little to a lot depending on the machine. In an environment where much effort is spend eliminating or controlling variables, I dont see the benefit in unnecessarily introducing another and hoping the machine will fix it up.

    @calebwilson: Im not sure which Pullman you used but glad youve found something you like. The Reg is certainly a nice product and is well respected for good reason even if its not everyones cup of tea 8-) However I think the overriding advice from anyone worth their salt, certainly the advice oft repeated here, would be to try as many tampers / machines / grinders etc out as you can and find one you like. What one person honestly recommends may not suit someone else - the feedback from Barista testers were that they preferred it to the RB, but if you prefer the RB then its a prime case in point.

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Hey Greg, thanks for your comments. *I really do like your product, Ive just had great experiences with the RB. *I totally agree that ppl need to try as many different options as possible and find which suits them.

    The Pullman I used was a Deluxe (I think its called that!) It was about 4 years ago! *I havent used the Barista and I would definitely like to give it a go. *It looks like it has some well thought out ideas put into it. *Cheers.

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    I just received my Rosewood Tamper along with the Silvia/Rocky machine today. *Hmm, the rosewood color is a bit to classic(al) for me. *I went to order a Pullman but after going through the ordering process on the Pullman site, do I really have to do all the measuring of the basket? *Yikesss… pretty sure I’m going to stuff it up anyway, and no way am I sending in my basket since I just got the machine. *(Much to be explored for now). *Can I just put through my order, and get one sent out to me after one or two days? *After all, shouldn’t all the baskets be pretty much the same anyway for the same model?

    Rosewood is going up for sale once I got my 2 weeks probation out the way. *For now, it’s back in the box where it came from, and out comes the plastic tamper *:(

    BTW – A stupid question, but how do I remove the white(ish) sticker on the top of the Silvia (cup holder area)? *Do I need to unscrew the top to pull out the sticker? *A bit hard to scratch out by the look of it. *Hopefully I dont have to create a new thread to get this answered. *;D

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    In reply to DanQ, I tap the portafilter to settle before tamping too. I also have a small plastic cup with the bottom cut out that sits snugly into the basket and extends up about 40mm. that guides the output from the grinder and stops the mess caused by the static charged coffee as it exits the Sunbeam grinder.

    The thin plastic cup only sits in the basket about 2mm, I had noticed that after removing it after a partial tamp and before a final tamp that it would lift a ring of tamped coffee out with it, thus leading me to believe that the tamping pressure was not evenly distributed but only really compacted a top crust as was the case with the fencing hole backfilling. Gently tapping it in, in stages gave a much more even tamp.

    Of course this does not explain how some people can make an excellent cup of coffee without tamping at all, ( and no, I dont mean instant ! )

    Must agree with all the comments on quality and beautiful tools though, some purchases just keep on giving pleasure the more you use them. and $60 odd dollars for something in daily use that will never break or wear out sounds like a bargain buy to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3F2B2D2D373B3C2B39393F3F5E0 link=1241740804/32#32 date=1242057072
    do I really have to do all the measuring of the basket?
    SPL.G, I ordered a Synesso basket from Pullman, that way Greg can machine the tamper base to suit the synesso and you can still use your machine while you wait for delivery.

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    SPL.G, youre not even giving the Rosewood one a go? And why use the plastic one in the interim -- if your Rosewood feels anything like mine, its sturdy enough to take a bit of beating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 677E79706264767A170 link=1241740804/35#35 date=1242080964
    SPL.G, youre not even giving the Rosewood one a go? And why use the plastic one in the interim -- if your Rosewood feels anything like mine, its sturdy enough to take a bit of beating.
    The rosewood is very good in quality and very sturdy (I just didn’t like the colour I had a laugh), but I was planning to sell it as brand new :P * However, after this morning disaster on my first go with the Silvia/Rocky… I had to pull out the rosewood for a rescue (Failed)… Oh boy.. I think I have to create a new topic.. Too many questions to be answered!!!

    Have you received your Silvia yet? *How did it go?

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Hey Caleb, yeah the Deluxe is a great product, in fact Ian Callahan won the SA heats of last years WBC using a Deluxe so its certainly up to the task; but like a RB and probably every other tamper its not everyones cup of tea. Id recommend trying a Barista if you get the opportunity, you may be pleasantly surprised!

    Quote Originally Posted by 2A3E3838222E293E2C2C2A2A4B0 link=1241740804/32#32 date=1242057072
    *I went to order a Pullman but after going through the ordering process on the Pullman site, do I really have to do all the measuring of the basket? *Yikesss… pretty sure I’m going to stuff it up anyway, and no way am I sending in my basket since I just got the machine. *(Much to be explored for now). *Can I just put through my order, and get one sent out to me after one or two days? *After all, shouldn’t all the baskets be pretty much the same anyway for the same model?
    SPL.G: As martybean mentioned, the simplest option is to replace your baskets with the superior Synesso units we sell. If you dont want to do that then its best to send the basket in or take a measurement. Id recommend having a look on our FAQ page - theres a question there "My machine has a 58mm filter basket. Why cant you just send me a 58mm tamper?" which sounds suspiciously like the question youve asked ;) - and the answer to that question uses the Silvia as an example of why we cant get a good fit that way. http://www.coffeetamper.com.au/information/faq.html#basket-discrepancies

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    As Greg mentioned above..... basket sizes vary considerably for the same brand and model (maybe new dies compared to old worn dies used to stamp the baskets....)

    But without customers sending in their baskets it is almost impossible to get anything close to a fitted tamper (unless they also order Synesso baskets)..... The best I can do is make the base slightly smaller than the smallest known basket for that machine..... and hope it fits (pretty good chance it will).... but there is also a very good chance it will be far from a fitted tamper.

    And yes, we can supply "generic" 58mm tampers..... but as it costs no more to have a fitted tamper - why would you bother?

    Who would buy an "off the peg" suit if they could get a tailored suit for the same price ;)

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Quote Originally Posted by 696C7575747877190 link=1241740804/37#37 date=1242099558
    the simplest option is to replace your baskets with the superior Synesso units we sell
    For the few extra dollars I recommend this option.

    I originally sent in an LM basket I bought and since then have purchased another Pullman with a matching Synesso basket.

    If you ever upgrade your machine you can leave the original basket with it and keep your Pullman and matching basket to use on the next machine.

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    SPL.G, Im documenting my coffee stuff in the link in my sig. Ill be updating tomorrow morning with pictures, and probably tonight even.

    Greg, youve convinced me in a heartbeat and Ive put an order through for a Synesso and a tamper. Cheers!

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Thanks! Synesso basket seems like a good idea… but after adding all the bit and pieces, its almost $180 including shipping now… :( (looks like ridgeless + new spring is the way to go?) Hmm.. I’ll go home and have a convince over myself. *Can’t tell the lady boss though… otherwise …..

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Yes, the cost indeed piles up. But from my perspective...well, Im 18 and espresso and tea are the only non-water drinks I drink, and I anticipate to do so for the rest of my life. This is a small pain now for equipment, and equally as importantly, skills that will serve me well for years to come.

    Ridgeless and two new springs is what I bought -- Im getting a naked portafilter as well, and I know I can share the basket, but sharing springs would be painful. Which tamper did you decide on? I went with the plain black "barista", but Im hoping to get it changed to the bright pink "barista". Showin some pride!

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5C594040414D422C0 link=1241740804/37#37 date=1242099558
    replace your baskets with the superior Synesso units we sell
    Quoting a little out of context, but Im curious as to what benefits the Synesso provides over other baskets?

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    It does depend on the other baskets but in the context of what you quoted I was referring to the Silvia units. Compared to those the Synesso baskets:
    * are deeper, which makes updosing easier, particularly on machines with low showerscreens such as the Silvia
    * have vertical walls, which means the tamp pressure can travel much deeper into the puck, rather than the walls tapering inwards close to the top. The La Marzocco baskets are big offenders in this regard
    * come in a ridgeless variant, which means pucks knock out more cleanly than with ridged baskets.
    * are consistently sized, which means theres a much greater chance that a customer whos bought a tamper and basket from us can subsequently get another basket that will suit - we keep measurements of tampers, not baskets, so consistency between batches helps a lot in this regard.

    These benefits apply to one degree or another in relation to the vast majority of baskets on the market - many are OK in one or more areas but very few tick all these boxes.

    Hope this helps without going too far off-topic,
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2035222037322B2B2A2629470 link=1241740804/44#44 date=1242123414
    * are deeper, which makes updosing easier, particularly on machines with low showerscreens such as the Silvia
    This point got me sold Greg, as I’m pretty annoyed with the stupid hole in the puck from the stupid bolt in the middle of the Silvia shower screen. *Hopefully the Synesso deeper basket can solve the problem!!

    Anyway, if I go with the Ridgeless basket and a new spring, you mentioned that I cannot use other baskets without removing the spring? *Are you saying it will be hard to remove the basket out for cleaning as well, or its just tightly fitted that the other ridge versions cannot fit in? *What about putting in the blind filter for cleaning? *Is that a problem too?


    Quote Originally Posted by 372E29203234262A470 link=1241740804/42#42 date=1242120725
    Which tamper did you decide on?
    Definitely one of the Aluminums one, but which color, I’m still undecided. *So hard to choose!!! *Maybe Tiger Orange…. Or maybe the Pink :P

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    You would still get the hole in the puck from the showerscreen as the coffee still needs to press up against the showerscreen for a good extraction. So no joy there, the deeper basket is about more coffee and a "better" (subjective as with everything in coffee) extraction. The spring is just a strong spring you should be able to use other baskets but they may be harder to get out depending on their design, the baskets are not hard to remove. The reason for the spring is as there are no ridges for the spring to hold onto you need a tight fit so the basket doesnt fall out every time you knock the puck out.

    Hope this is accurate, these are my experiences after purchasing a pullman, baskets and springs over christmas.

    Whatever colour you choose it will be a beautiful thing.

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    [QUOTE=706462627874736476767070110 link=1241740804/45#45 date=1242127721]
    Quote Originally Posted by 2035222037322B2B2A2629470 link=1241740804/44#44 date=1242123414
    ...... as I’m pretty annoyed with the stupid hole in the puck from the stupid bolt in the middle of the Silvia shower screen. *Hopefully the Synesso deeper basket can solve the problem!!

    :P
    The bolt can be changed very easily, and relatively cheaply for a round head screw, which causes less disturbance to the puck.
    Some indentation from the screw/bolt is normal whatever basket you have, and an indication that you have your dosing and tamping about right.

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Quote Originally Posted by 736761617B77706775757373120 link=1241740804/45#45 date=1242127721

    Anyway, if I go with the Ridgeless basket and a new spring, you mentioned that I cannot use other baskets without removing the spring? *Are you saying it will be hard to remove the basket out for cleaning as well, or its just tightly fitted that the other ridge versions cannot fit in? *What about putting in the blind filter for cleaning? *Is that a problem too?
    Fitting and removing the ridgeless basket isnt hard, it just pushes in with the palm of your hand and you can just grab it with your fingertips to remove it. Attempting the same with a ridged basket is a lot harder - you have to push it in quite hard and really need a knife or screwdriver to lever it out, which means youre less likely to remove it regularly for cleaning -> dirty portafilter -> poor espresso. The degrees of difficulty vary from portafilter to portafilter depending mainly on the depth of the groove for the spring (shallow groove = more spring pressure).

    A blind filter is OK because theyre ridgeless too, but what I do if I need to use a ridged basket is just swap the springs over. They just pop out with your fingernail and you can swap your original one back in. However if youre likely to be switching between a double and a single or some other ridged basket, for conveniences sake you may be best off with the ridged Synesso basket so you dont have to keep the other spring handy.

    With regards to depth, consistency of diameter and vertical walls, its not quite as good as the ridgeless but will certainly still be better than most.

    Greg

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    Re: Tamper… what are the justification for spending $$$ over a Tamper?

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    FWIW,

    When my housemate bought a Pullman Deluxe to go with his acquisition of a VBM Super, he got the Synesso ridgeless basket and new spring. It turns out that the tamper fits perfectly in both the Synesso and the original VBM double basket, AND that both the original and new PF springs fasten either basket adequately. Some would say that my housemate therefore wasted his money on the basket and spring but we dont think so - its incredibly convenient to have a second basket! We now have the original VBM double spouted handle and a naked handle both with baskets which makes the home-cafe scenario so much easier (2 baristas on one VBM = awesome!).

    The ridgeless is probably nicer to use (puck comes out cleanly, easier to remove), but theres no difference in the cup quality (we wondered if a ridgeless would lead to less channeling but it didnt - that was bad technique!).

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