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    How long before you can notice the difference...?

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    I dont use much coffee because I only fire the Diadema up on days off or weekends. Consequently I buy the minimum quantity from BeanBay so that it does not last too long. I find it takes me about 4-5 weeks to use 500g. When I first use the beans the flavour blows me away - but by wk 3 I am noticing a definite deterioration in the quality of the flavour. By wk 5 they are still better than the Merlo beans I occasionally buy to tide me over, but definitely less flavoursome.
    So ... am I playing with it or do others notice the same (probably nobody else who takes so long to use 500g)

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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    With very few exceptions I find beans are only good for 2-3 weeks post roast.


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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    Hi Rocky

    I think the good old rule of thumb applies:-

    3 years for green beans
    3 weeks for roasteed bens
    3 minutes for ground beans

    So theyre probably going a bit staler after the 3 week mark.

    As you only use small quantities, youd probably be better off buying green beans and valve bags from BeanBay and roasting your own in small quantities - say 200g at a time. It doesnt have to be complicated or scary, despite everyones amazing toys.

    I just grab some green beans, put them in a wok on the bbq outside, pre-heat the wok for a minute or so on a medium gass setting, turn the bbq down to low, put the greens in and stir at a reasonable pace and theyre roasted (within about 8-10 minutes or so).

    At least then, if you throw them out because they are stale, theyre not so expensive to do so.

    Probably the only hassle is remembering about 3-4 days beforehand (a week if youre able) to remember to do up a new batch so they have time to sit before you start using them. It shouldnt be too hard to judge when youre going to run out and do up a new batch, though.

    Cheers
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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    Quote Originally Posted by 300D01091B620 link=1245496132/0#0 date=1245496132
    I find it takes me about 4-5 weeks to use 500g.When I first use the beans the flavour blows me away - but by wk 3 I am noticing a definite deterioration in the quality of the flavour.
    Yep 3 weeks max for me too. These days I notice the taste starts to dull after 2 weeks for some beans.

    If I have more beans than I know I can consume within 3 weeks I will freeze some. Yes, this goes against conventional bean wisdom.

    I use a glass jar that will hold around 250g or, in your case, whatever is usually remaining after 2-3 weeks. Then fill the jar as much as possible. I tap the jar on the bench to settle the beans and remove as much airspace as possible. Seal and put the jar in the freezer; a deep freezer is preferable.

    As freezing appears to delay the aging process it is best to take the beans out on a day that will result in them being the optimum age by the time you are ready to consume them. I would put them into a 1-way valve bag after removing from the freezer.

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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    I think the 3-3-3 rule is spot on, however in my home the beans are lucky to last 3 days with the demands my crew are putting on me, Corretto is kept very busy!!! ;D ;D ;D

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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    Thanks Guys, I do find that my taste-buds are not always the same, day-to-day and week-to-week - I notice this with my wine also - but on average I do feel that post-week 3 the flavour is not quite as good. When I retire in a few years the issue will be sorted as I will do coffee every day and will get through a 500g bag well within the 3 week mark. I will get into roasting my own then as well.
    I do try to balance the deterioration in flavour with the older beans by slightly shorter pours and close attention to the tamp to ensure a nice viscous stream. (Good Grief, sounds like someone describing their prostate problems!)

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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    I got my first ever batch of roasted from beanbay about 4-5 weeks ago and noticed this last week that the taste of my shots were a bit more bitter and the beans themselves looked a bit shinier (oilier?).

    At least I know what I need to order the next time to cover me for 3weeks.

    The 3x3x3 rule seems to be a good plan to stick to.

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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    100grams is perfect in my popcorn popper.
    Takes about 1 hour to do 4 batches each week.
    Doing 1-2 per week even less.
    Would be the perfect solution if you have the time to roast 1 batch each week.
    Its also a lot of fun!!!!

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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    Quote Originally Posted by 557264766E1D0 link=1245496132/2#2 date=1245535590
    I just grab some green beans, put them in a wok on the bbq outside, pre-heat the wok for a minute or so on a medium gass setting, turn the bbq down to low, put the greens in and stir at a reasonable pace and theyre roasted (within about 8-10 minutes or so).
    I must say its encouraging to hear that roasting your own doesnt need to be rocket science. It all sounds so intimidating, what with heat guns, thermocouples and everything. Never thought I could put my weber gas bbq to such great use!

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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    Yup, its a typical thing; give males something to roast/cook and they tend to over-engineer it until it starts to sound so complicated that people start to get scared off (she says, getting a husband to build her a bbq roaster!)

    I figure the countries of origin of the coffee bean didnt have poppers, breadmakers or 240v to run professional roasters back in the good old days (and possibly not now, even) and they managed to come up with roasting coffee, so there must be something to their thought processes that worked!

    Probably about the only thing about it is that you dont always get a lovely perfectly even looking roast, but it still tastes fantastic and theres nothing about the hands-on / eyes on feel of standing there stirring, hearing the *pops* and seeing the colour change!

    Love the roasting process and almost dont want Pete to finish the BBQ Roaster because Im enjoying it so much more by doing it manual!

    :)

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    Re: How long before you can notice the difference...?

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    i find i like my beans that i roast on days 12-16 the best.
    None have ever lasted past 21days after a roast, usually consumed by day 18.
    i try to do 320 - 400g (80g per roast x 4-5) 2x a week so i don`t run out.
    I have found a fave green here in Brisbane is the Guatemalan organic
    from Di Bella. On my 3rd kilo as of today.
    In the process of building a KK inspired Turbo roaster.
    Hope to be able to do 400g at a time in the new one.:)



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