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    Too Much Time (and Coffee!) on My Hands...

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    Okay, so next question.

    While Im on holidays, like I have been this week, and am the only coffee drinker at home, I usually make my usual 30ml shots in each shot glass, make two lattes complete with milk, then put on on top of the machine to keep warm and drink the other one.

    This is because I usually drink both within an hour and Im too stingey to throw a perfectly good shot out.

    Question: Would I be better doing it this way and keep going, or would I be better off just putting the shot glass on top of the machine to keep warm until Im at the stage that Im ready to drink my next one (usually 30 minutes or so) and add hot milk to it then?

    The only thing that puts me off this is that the shot usually looks pretty murky by the time I go to make my second one and I end up sinking it anyway.

    So, I guess the question boils down to:-

    1. Does the milk change the properties of the coffee so it lasts longer and tastes nicer (to my palate), but I put up with only a medium warm coffee; or

    2. Will I get the same result if I hang on to the shot and add the fresh hot milk later when Im ready for it; and

    3. Does a shot have a use by date on it if you dont add milk to it?

    4. Does this weird tingley feeling Ive had since Monday have anything to do with the fact that Im probably drinking about 10 cups of latte a day at the moment because Im too tight to throw out my shots? (twitch, twitch!) :D

    I could just experiment, I suppose (Ive actually just held off on making a full second latte and the shot is sitting on the top of the Marte in preparation), but its more fun asking people and getting their opinions.

    Cheers
    Di

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    Am I in the wrong place? I thought this was Coffee Snobs.

    Di, Im shocked and disappointed that youd even consider using stale shots (gaag). :)

    If youre really the only coffee drinker in the house, I would suggest moving to the single basket. The shots are quite decent out of them (better than a stale shot) once dialed in.

    The other alternative (and this is what I do), I make a Doppio latte, but I let the first few drops of one side of the spout go down the drain so it doesnt take on too much of a punch, then stop it a little bit earlier than usual. I find it makes quite a nice latte. And seeing as though youre only making the one, youve just saved on milk.

    My opinion is that coffee is drunk to be enjoyed. If youre drinking an hour old latte because youre trying to stop wastage, but the coffee is anything but perfect, youre defeating the purpose of saving it.

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    Hi Di,

    When faced with the same situation (home alone) I make a double in a largish (300ml) mug, and dont need to go back for a 2nd for quite a while :)

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    Re: Too Much Time (and Coffee!) on My Hands...

    Acog - Im drinking the second one within 30 minutes or so, rather than an hour and I find this quite acceptable considering I usually take my coffee to work in a large Bodum thermal mug and drink it over a two to three hour period. When I make the two lattes together, theres no stale taste after the 30 minute period, its just a bit cooler and the milk foam has settled down a bit.

    This is why I have asked the question though - if I didnt add milk, and just hung on to the shot, would the shot be classed as stale? Im sort of assuming by your response that it would be so I shouldnt use this method?

    Using my current method, the lack of real difference in taste is such that I really couldnt be bothered changing to the single basket, redialling my grinder, sinking a shot to get the grind correct, and having to repeat this process when the husband gets home so, in effect, having wasted a minimum of three shots anyway (sometimes four). The only downside of a micrometric stepless grinder, its difficult to go backwards and forwards.

    CM - these are quite large glass mugs at the moment (probably about 300ml), but Im not keen on my coffee being overly strong which is why I divvy it up between the two. If I used this method, Id end up keeling over at the end of the day because I would have had the equivalent of 20 cups of latte! (I always like to have one on the go, so would drink the same amount of cups, just double the dosage...)

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    Dont worry Di, my post was partially tongue in cheek.

    Regarding wether the shot is stale after 30 minutes to an hour, during summer, I often keep one shot for my wife to drink as an iced coffee. Sometimes it sits there for a while, and the smell turns my stomach, so I would think it would be noticeably different.

    I guess to echo the old saying around here, "Its what is in the cup that counts". let your tastebuds guide you, try one, if its ghastly, abandon the idea.

    For me, Id sooner sink it than drink it.

    Oh, and regarding redialing in for single/double, I find that with practise, you get to know how much to move this way or that. recently Ive had two types of beans in the cupboard, both roasted the same day, but with different grind settings for their ideal 25 in 25. The other day I mixed them 50/50 just to try, and instinctively knew to adjust a certain amount. No wasted shots as I nailed it first go, and Ive done this a few times now.

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    Re: Too Much Time (and Coffee!) on My Hands...

    ;D

    I just finished the saved shot coffee. Definitely had a different slightly muddier taste to it, so guess Ill stick to my original method.

    So, there you have it, milk must have some property that enables the coffee to retain its freshness (either that, or hides the stalesness!)

    Highly scientific and thoroughly researched experiment draws to a conclusion...

    As I said, waaaaay too much time on my hands, despite being home with two children!

    Cheers
    Di

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    Re: Too Much Time (and Coffee!) on My Hands...

    Actually Di,

    As ACog touched on with the Single Basket..... With a machine and grinder combo such as yours, I doubt that you would have to shift the grind setting around much, if at all. Right from when I had my first decent machine, an Imat Mokita, going with a Single or Double basket never meant changing the grind by very much at all. It got to the stage where I hardly ever moved the grind setting even one step, preferring to adjust the dose slightly to achieve a good pour.

    If you set aside some time (and a few beans), try experimenting a bit and Im sure youll discover a method that allows you to switch from one to the other with little or any inconvenience... :)

    Cheers mate,
    Mal.

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    Re: Too Much Time (and Coffee!) on My Hands...

    Hi Di,

    Another thought, if you have a hand grinder you could use that for the single basket if you really dont want to mess with the settings on the M4.

    Enjoy your "holiday"


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    Re: Too Much Time (and Coffee!) on My Hands...

    This is going to be short and sweet:

    Ristrettos--more flavour, less caffeine.

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    Re: Too Much Time (and Coffee!) on My Hands...

    Ummm, I thought you home-roasted? *;) Isnt that supposed to save money so you can spend it experimenting *;D

    I dump any shot I dont need immediately. I like all the complexity I can get - the benefit of home-roasted, very freshly ground.

    To answer your question on the basis of your lifestyle and taste preferences, I suggest you make it up to a latte immediately as the oils in the crema will blend with the oils in the milk and retain its uniqueness for a little longer. Allowing the shot to dissipate... says it all. But seriously, itd only take a few minutes for your latte to start losing its complexity really, but itll lose it more slowly than the seconds for crema dissipation.

    Your tastebuds are telling the truth.

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    Re: Too Much Time (and Coffee!) on My Hands...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 67524547774F524D414C44200 link=1247705853/8#8 date=1247826807
    This is going to be short and sweet:

    Ristrettos--more flavour, less caffeine.

    Greg

    So true...



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