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    Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

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    Hi all.

    I know its a broad question, so Ill narrow it down for you.

    I have a (brand new) Bezzera Domus Galatea espresso machine and a (brand new) Bezzera BB004 Doser Grinder.

    Using the same beans as my fav local cafe mod edit commercial link removed Im able to produce a 50ml + 5mm crema double shot in 25-30sec, with a nice even flow, paling a little toward the end.

    I then texture & heat full cream milk the best I know how (following instructions from this forum and John Doyles GREAT Barista Techniques book).

    But my latte still tastes crap (the same as it did with my $450 Spidem Trevi Plus espresso machine, pre-ground beans from Schibello and microwaved milk!).

    Im at a bit of a loss as to why. The same beans taste great at the cafe (Bellyfish at Terrigal). So surely it cant be the beans? Im thinking maybe:
    • my double basket is either too big or too small to be aiming for a 50ml extraction in 30 seconds (maybe thats why its paling toward the end)?;
    • my milk isnt up to scratch (Im texturing only a little more than a single lattes worth of milk, and the whole operation takes only about 10 seconds)?; or
    • Im just crap at coffee!!!

    Any opinions? What should I try?

    Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 4A475847404B595C475A4B2E0 link=1255646232/0#0 date=1255646232
    Hi all.

    I know its a broad question, so Ill narrow it down for you.

    I have a (brand new) Bezzera Domus Galatea espresso machine and a (brand new) Bezzera BB004 Doser Grinder.

    Using the same beans as my fav local cafe mod edit commercial link removed Im able to produce a 50ml + 5mm crema double shot in 25-30sec, with a nice even flow, paling a little toward the end.

    I then texture & heat full cream milk the best I know how (following instructions from this forum and John Doyles GREAT Barista Techniques book).

    But my latte still tastes crap (the same as it did with my $450 Spidem Trevi Plus espresso machine, pre-ground beans from Schibello and microwaved milk!).

    Im at a bit of a loss as to why. The same beans taste great at the cafe (Bellyfish at Terrigal). So surely it cant be the beans? Im thinking maybe:
    • my double basket is either too big or too small to be aiming for a 50ml extraction in 30 seconds (maybe thats why its paling toward the end)?;
    • my milk isnt up to scratch (Im texturing only a little more than a single lattes worth of milk, and the whole operation takes only about 10 seconds)?; or
    • Im just crap at coffee!!!

    Any opinions? What should I try?

    Cheers.
    Glenn
    Fresh beans - Try from brown bay...

    Then if the same...

    Look closely at your grind Vs Tamp pressure Vs Dose level.

    Do some searching on CS as it has all been covered off..

    Welcome to CS... Hate to say it but my money is on the Beans first followed closly by a carbon based error.. :D

    Let us know how ya go...


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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Do the beans they sell you have a roasted on date? Just because they sell them at the cafe doesnt mean theyre fresh.

    Milk texturing does play a big part, as does the brand of milk used. I know that if I texture too thin, it will result in a bland tasting latte no matter how good the espresso shot was.

    Your new machine & grinder may need some time to break in as well. It will come in time - just be patient.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Two things to try:
    1. Cut your pour short at first signs of paling. Your beans may not like being pushed too far.
    2. Try some different brands of milk. Get the ones with the furtherest away used by date.
    Tell us what state youre in and we can help give a few recomendations about what milk to try.
    As AM said some brown beans from bean bay will let you know for sure if your problem is with your beans or not.

    Good luck,

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    I would also try some BeanBay beans as AM suggests. Ive found beans Ive bought elsewhere dont work as well at home because the cafe may have tuned their machine to get the best from their beans.

    In the meantime try making your latte from a ristretto: let the first few seconds of the shot go into the driptray or another cup then catch the remainder of the shot until blonding starts -you should get about 30 - 40 ml, enough for a latte in a 220ml glass.

    Then taste the shot before adding milk. You should be able to taste sourness or bitterness then.

    It may also mean your machine needs calibrating as the brew temp is too low or the OPV needs to be adjusted or both.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 515B4E5959564244370 link=1255646232/4#4 date=1255648324

    It may also mean your machine needs calibrating as the brew temp is too low or the OPV needs to be adjusted or both.
    This x2, Your machine may need a cooling flush before pulling a shot, or are you giving it long enough to warm up? Most HX machines will take up to an hour.

    Also many opvs come from Italy set at 12 bar, It may need adjusting.

    Using a different brand of milk or smaller baskets could also be the difference.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Thanks so much guys. What great, helpful replies!

    I assumed with good gear and the right technique, the same beans as the cafe would produce similar results. (I have the gear, thus the problem must be the technique.) Appears I may have assumed wrong.

    For the record, Ive always bought my ground beans from BeanBay (this is my first grinder).

    Ill buy a couple more bags plus the sampler pack, and see how it goes. EDIT: Bought a kg of Peru Ceja de Selva Estate (I like the ground version of this) and a sampler pack.

    Will also experiment with the extraction tips you suggested.

    Cheers!
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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2D35303025341F2D212E7677400 link=1255646232/5#5 date=1255653146
    This x2, Your machine may need a cooling flush before pulling a shot, or are you giving it long enough to warm up? Most HX machines will take up to an hour.

    Also many opvs come from Italy set at 12 bar, It may need adjusting.

    Using a different brand of milk or smaller baskets could also be the difference.
    Thanks!

    Im flushing before pulling. Didnt allow an hour to warm up. Just waited for pressure gauge to get to 1.1 bar, as per instructions. About 10-20 minutes by the time I pulled the shot. This morning, it was longer.

    Smaller baskets? Why is that?

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    There are different sized baskets single double and tripple and variations within those groupings. If you use a different sized basket you will change the flavor of the coffee. So if you are using a 14g double and the cafe is using an 18g double you will get a different taste (might not be the most significant problem but it is a variable.) Welcome to the long road of coffee snobbery. ;D

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 747966797E756762796475100 link=1255646232/7#7 date=1255661336
    Just waited for pressure gauge to get to 1.1 bar, as per instructions
    That indicates the boiler is hot enough. The group head may take longer to warm up. Id wait at least 30 minutes and preferably 45mins to 1 hour. This will help ensure a better brew temperature.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    OK
    First things first
    What Tamper are you using ?

    For the Bezzera Galatea you should tamp 8mm deep into the basket
    My experience has shown that 8mm is the perfect tamp depth *

    Use fresh beans and grind at approx size of table salt and adjust from there

    Fresh roasted beans are classed as a perishable food and will degrade in approx 3 to 5 weeks depending on the origin

    From a cold start up, dont make coffee before a 40 min warm/heat up
    Yes do cooling flush as you are doing now

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    cold water sounds like the culprit. The e61 group should be to a temperature where its hot to touch and impossible to touch for more then a couple of second. Leave it on for a couple of hours and youll get an idea of its proper idling temperature. Unless you bought it from Chris (talk coffee) then there should be a bit of splutter and steam when you do a cooling flush. If not then its likely the group isnt up to temperature.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Im using a solid, heavy tamper (an extra purchase). Ive been tamping to about 6-7mm, I think. Maybe I need to make the grind a bit finer and put a little less in?

    How many times should it splutter and steam on flush? Just the very first, or after, say, every 10 minutes (assuming no use)?

    This is great guys. I was starting to feel disheartened.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    It depends on the machine but in my experience with Hx it only takes a few minutes before another cooling flush will be required.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6971747461705B69656A3233040 link=1255646232/13#13 date=1255666205
    It depends on the machine but in my experience with Hx it only takes a few minutes before another cooling flush will be required.
    Right. All good to know. I cant remember how often I flushed this morning with it. But I KNOW I didnt leave it for 40+ min this morning. And I also didnt leave the filter handle & basket in the head for very long either. They were hottish to touch, but not as hot as described above.

    A lot of things to try, so thats great. Thanks everyone. (Keep those suggestions coming though! :) )

    Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 202D322D2A2133362D3021440 link=1255646232/14#14 date=1255666812
    And I also didnt leave the filter handle & basket in the head for very long either.
    Thats a NO NO :(

    Leave the group handle and basket in the whole time the machine is on, otherwise you will lose brew temp pronto ;)

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Ok. So a bit of an update:

    1) I turned the machine on about 3-4hrs before using it, this time.

    2) I kept the filter handle inserted that whole time

    3) When I took the filter handle out and flushed to reduce the water temp, it DIDNT splutter or steam at all

    4) I adjusted my grind (made it slightly coarser), I suspect because its probably more humid tonight than it was this morning

    5) I pulled 3 double shots

    6) The first shot was quite dark, and didnt pale toward the end. I stopped it at 25 seconds.

    7) For the second shot, I reduced my tamp pressure, and the shot was lighter, and faster. It was the only one of the three that paled toward the end. I stopped it at about 20 sec, and it still had noticeably more in the cup than shot 1 & 3.

    8) For the third shot, I increased my tamp pressure again, and once again, it didnt really pale toward the end of the shot, so I left it the full 30 seconds.

    9) I dont know the volume of any of the shots (I have a marked shot glass, but I pulled all these straight into an espresso cup)

    10) Straight out of the machine, I couldnt tell the difference between the taste of the three (they all tasted horrible to my pansy-latte-boy buds)

    11) I added 1/3 tspn of sugar and a tspn of cream to each, and that made them all more palatable. That done, shots 1 & 3 tasted better than 2. But I couldnt really tell 1 & 2 apart. And I still didnt really like the taste. (The amounts of cream & sugar were pretty similar in all three cups. I tried to make them identical.)

    12) I didnt make any lattes cos I didnt wanna wake the kids with the steam wand.

    So it seems that I got a nice rich brown extraction for the full 30 seconds tonight, which I didnt get this morning. Whether this is due to the grind or the extra heat in the group head, I dont know.

    Beyond that, I still feel no closer to knowing anything...???

    Cheers.
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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    what do the shots taste like? Burnt, sour, berries?

    out of interest how many shots have you put through your new setup, a very nice set up by the way :)

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    If you normally drink coffee with milk you may find black espresso a little overwhelming at first

    Milk that has been steamed actually sweetens in the process
    By adding steamed milk to espresso coffee it naturally sweetens it

    You can tame black coffee by adding a dash of water
    Sometimes the crema has a funky taste so scoop it out with a spoon and drink the black part of the coffee

    You will get there mate with a little practice and experimentation, you just need to find out what you like

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 333F363B3B325E0 link=1255646232/17#17 date=1255686991
    what do the shots taste like? Burnt, sour, berries?

    out of interest how many shots have you put through your new setup, a very nice set up by the way :)
    I always find it difficult to describe the taste. Definitely NOT berries. Bitter maybe, but not sour. I dont THINK they taste burnt. My lattes (this mornings more than yesterdays, when I ran the machine longer) taste a bit flat, and leave a really sharp, unpleasant aftertaste (that orange juice gets rid of nicely).

    And thanks for the thumbs up on my setup. Now if I can only live up to it!!!

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 456168686B6B5145617D63610E0 link=1255646232/18#18 date=1255694402
    ...you just need to find out what you like

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    Funny thing is, I know exactly what I like, in a latte. Rich, creamy, complex, vibrant. Almost cocoa. Strong but not bitter. Ive never come close to it myself. Bellyfish at Terrigal comes the closest to it in my area. In Sydney Ive had a few awesome coffees (and one was just using Vittoria!). I cant drink the coffee most cafes serve up. Even in the cities. (I live in the burbs.)

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Im surprised that you say your shots dont pale towards the end. Surely theyre not black any more but are coming out brown. I only get about 10 ml of black before the brown starts and I dont like much beyond 25 ml, when the brown is now lighter with dark stripes. When it starts forming a lighter stain on the dark brown in the cup I usually stop the pull.

    I can only drink my espresso straight in such a ristretto, and actually prefer that in my lattés as well. So I suggest you try a couple of ristrettos and see how they fare with your desired additions (and without).

    A double basket full, ground until you get about 20-25 ml of coffee including crema in about 20 seconds is my version of a ristretto. This gives me a rich sweet dark chocolate style drink (so yes, dark chocolate means there is some bitterness--but not an unpleasant amount). This also works beautifully with a maximum of 80 ml of steamed milk.

    The better I get an my coffee making, the shorter my lattés are getting. At the moment they come out at 65 ml total--so thats 20-25 ml of coffee and 40 ml of steamed milk. I like a bit of sugar in my lattés but drink the shots straight.

    Keep experimenting--the baristas who do it well have a routine theyve worked hard at perfecting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 49445B4443485A5F4459482D0 link=1255646232/20#20 date=1255695853
    (I live in the burbs.)
    I know where Terrigal is I am a old Newcastle boy

    In the end it all boils down to practice

    Ask nicely your barista in Terrigal to show you a few hands on tips ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 43766163536B7669656860040 link=1255646232/21#21 date=1255696979
    Im surprised that you say your shots dont pale towards the end. Surely theyre not black any more but are coming out brown. I only get about 10 ml of black before the brown starts and I dont like much beyond 25 ml, when the brown is now lighter with dark stripes. When it starts forming a lighter stain on the dark brown in the cup I usually stop the pull.
    Hey Greg. Thanks! Ill try that.

    I think I gave you the wrong idea (or I used the wrong term). Definitely the extraction pales as it continues, but there comes a point late in the shot when it pales quite suddenly. Thats the point I was referring to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 52767F7F7C7C4652766A7476190 link=1255646232/22#22 date=1255697006
    Ask nicely your barista in Terrigal to show you a few hands on tips *;)

    KK
    *chuckle* I plan to. He doesnt know it yet. Ive been picking his brains each time I go in there. Im even considering paying him to come out to my house for a few hours!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 59544B5453584A4F5449583D0 link=1255646232/23#23 date=1255698024
    I think I gave you the wrong idea (or I used the wrong term). Definitely the extraction pales as it continues, but there comes a point late in the shot when it pales quite suddenly. Thats the point I was referring to.
    That is called blonding

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    Quote Originally Posted by 050817080F041613081504610 link=1255646232/24#24 date=1255698085
    Quote Originally Posted by 52767F7F7C7C4652766A7476190 link=1255646232/22#22 date=1255697006
    Ask nicely your barista in Terrigal to show you a few hands on tips *;)

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    *chuckle* I plan to. He doesnt know it yet. Ive been picking his brains each time I go in there. Im even considering paying him to come out to my house for a few hours!

    I doubt if you need to be subtle or sneaky. ;) Most people are extremely happy to share skills with anyone who really cares to learn.

    And getting lessons on your own machine is definitely a good idea.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 47636A6A69695347637F61630C0 link=1255646232/25#25 date=1255699253

    That is called blonding

    KK
    Me? Make a mistake? Unpossible! (Thank you The Simpsons!)

    Thanks KK. Blonding is exactly what I meant.

    And Greg, yeah, the guys (a father and son team) have been very helpful so far. Both nice guys. Just very busy (as the only decent cafe in Terrigal, its no surprise!).

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    my coffees not the best, I admit, but heres a few things that I found extremely helpful (besides what has already been said):

    1) test your tamp (holding your tamper) on a bathroom scale - should b about 14 kg....when I first tried this, I found that I was normally tamping at about 18kg, and doing this improved my shots quite significantly.

    2) more importantly, make sure ur grind setting is perfect...it should be at the point there the coffee JUST comes through, sort of a nice little stream that is slightly drippy....when grind is wrong and the coffee flows through too quick, it can easily taste bland and bitter/sour.

    3) dont overdo your cooling flush....flush to when it JUST stops steaming/boiling - when i stop flushing, my pressure gauge shows 1 bar.

    gavin

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    Quote Originally Posted by 545946595E554742594455300 link=1255646232/27#27 date=1255699699
    as the only decent cafe in Terrigal
    this the one on the back street that serves Campos? Zanzibar? or the Surf Cafe which serves Morgans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5F47424257466D5F535C0405320 link=1255646232/11#11 date=1255663031
    The e61 group should be to a temperature where its hot to touch and impossible to touch for more then a couple of second. Leave it on for a couple of hours and youll get an idea of its proper idling temperature.
    Can the group be bought up to temp by simply running water through it 10-15 minutes after turning the unit on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0A27262D372A373A430 link=1255646232/29#29 date=1255789444
    Quote Originally Posted by 545946595E554742594455300 link=1255646232/27#27 date=1255699699
    as the only decent cafe in Terrigal
    this the one on the back street that serves Campos? Zanzibar? or the Surf Cafe which serves Morgans?
    No and No. Pretty sure its on the main drag just as you head in to Terrigal from Erina. Cant remember what they use, but whatever it is means Ive never been tempted to ;)

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    I havent been back to try Zanzibar since I was last in Terrigal.
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    I met the new owner the day shed settled on the purchase and we spent quite some time discussing coffee in front of the shop late that evening.

    She seemed passionate and knowledgeable about coffee and hadnt yet decided on Campos but was going to Sydney within a few days to discuss the possibility.

    I was hoping the passion would translate into getting a decent coffee in Terrigal.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 617B6D78780C0 link=1255646232/31#31 date=1255850121
    No and No. Pretty sure its on the main drag just as you head in to Terrigal from Erina. Cant remember what they use, but whatever it is means Ive never been tempted to ;)
    I had a laugh. Youre right, it is the one on the main drag into Terrigal. Funny, isnt it. Its the only Terrigal coffee Ive had that I like, and it obviously did nothing for you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3A372837303B292C372A3B5E0 link=1255646232/33#33 date=1255862403
    Quote Originally Posted by 617B6D78780C0 link=1255646232/31#31 date=1255850121
    No and No. Pretty sure its on the main drag just as you head in to Terrigal from Erina. Cant remember what they use, but whatever it is means Ive never been tempted to ;)
    I had a laugh. Youre right, it is the one on the main drag into Terrigal. Funny, isnt it. Its the only Terrigal coffee Ive had that I like, and it obviously did nothing for you!
    Ahh the Central Coast ... so beautiful, but for coffee - so infuriatingly hit and miss :(

    Anyway, before I hijack this thread completely - whats your water like at the moment? Im at Umina Beach, my in-laws are at Narara, and weve all been having massive problems with water quality lately, varying from it being brown and completely gross to having a incredibly strong chlorine taste. Could this be whats causing your problems?

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 7E64726767130 link=1255646232/34#34 date=1255863429
    whats your water like at the moment?
    Hi Michelle. Nah, our waters been fine, actually. Havent noticed any change. Im using filtered water through it too.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E485F4047290 link=1255646232/28#28 date=1255737463
    my coffees not the best, I admit, but heres a few things that I found extremely helpful (besides what has already been said):

    1) test your tamp (holding your tamper) on a bathroom scale - should b about 14 kg....when I first tried this, I found that I was normally tamping at about 18kg, and doing this improved my shots quite significantly.

    2) more importantly, make sure ur grind setting is perfect...it should be at the point there the coffee JUST comes through, sort of a nice little stream that is slightly drippy....when grind is wrong and the coffee flows through too quick, it can easily taste bland and bitter/sour.

    3) dont overdo your cooling flush....flush to when it JUST stops steaming/boiling - when i stop flushing, my pressure gauge shows 1 bar.

    gavin
    Thanks Gavin. Im tamping somewhere between 10-15kg, depending on the grind and humidity. Im extracting around 50ml in 30 sec through the double filter handle. My pressure gauge quickly goes back up to 1.1bar by the time I pull the shot after flushing.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    FYI, Ive tried just about everything suggested above. Some mild differences in flavour, but still no joy. Have tried two different types of bean (both pre-packaged). Am now waiting for CS freshly roasted beans to arrive. Looking forward to giving them a burl. Wish me luck.

    Also, if anyone has any suggestions re CS beans that are chocolatey and fruity, Id love to hear them.

    Cheers.
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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    I think you definitely need someone to watch you prepare and pour a shot, as youve already planned. Doing a home barista course is a good move, specially if you can take your own machine along, specially if the perosn running the course is familiar with Bezzera DGs.

    Quote Originally Posted by 262B342B2C2735302B3627420 link=1255646232/37#37 date=1255934064
    CS beans that are chocolatey and fruity
    A blend of Ethiopian and Sumatran beans will give that. For example, at the moment Im enjoying a 50-50 blend of Eth. Gambella + Sumatran Blue Lintong. Bewdiful!

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 545E4B5C5C534741320 link=1255646232/38#38 date=1255935206
    I think you definitely need someone to watch you prepare and pour a shot, as youve already planned. Doing a home barista course is a good move, specially if you can take your own machine along, specially if the perosn running the course is familiar with Bezzera DGs.
    Have to second Steves advice here.... 8-)

    You have to remember, you are basically using a downsized commercial machine and if prior to this you were using a simple domestic machine, it can be a quantum step up to a machine at this level. If you dont have a professional coffee training facility close to hand, try chatting to a barista at a cafe whose coffee you enjoy and ask them if theyd mind helping you out. My experience has been that passionate coffee enthusiasts are only too happy to help out a fellow enthusiast and coffee snob.

    Worth a go.... :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4E63676B660A0 link=1255646232/39#39 date=1255942786
    Quote Originally Posted by 545E4B5C5C534741320 link=1255646232/38#38 date=1255935206
    I think you definitely need someone to watch you prepare and pour a shot, as youve already planned. Doing a home barista course is a good move, specially if you can take your own machine along, specially if the perosn running the course is familiar with Bezzera DGs.
    Have to second Steves advice here.... 8-)

    You have to remember, you are basically using a downsized commercial machine and if prior to this you were using a simple domestic machine, it can be a quantum step up to a machine at this level. If you dont have a professional coffee training facility close to hand, try chatting to a barista at a cafe whose coffee you enjoy and ask them if theyd mind helping you out. My experience has been that passionate coffee enthusiasts are only too happy to help out a fellow enthusiast and coffee snob.

    Worth a go.... :)

    Mal.
    Mal and Steve are on the ball... Regardless of all teh good reading and watching of utube etc Nothing beats first hand experience and exposure.

    There are so many things that impact on making GREAT coffee, yet some are so minor even the best of us forget and they are done without thinking..

    Just remember.. If ya thinking of about 1 to 1.5 hrs with a fellow CS... Then plan on 2.5 to 3 plus... Once you start to see and feel the coffee, you will spot things and teh questions will keep flowing..

    Remember.. There is no end to it all ;D

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    I have a question for you...

    What temp are you heating your milk to? I mean, you said it took all of 10 seconds earlier to heat up, which really sounds awfully quick to me, even for a "lattes worth"... :-/

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Thanks again guys. Id definitely love to have someone come out and teach me a few things. But running a business and being a dad to 3 young kids takes a lot of time, so its a last resort, unfortunately. Before I try that, Ill experiment with the beans etc., and see how I go. Im not ignoring your advice; its just that even half an hour would be difficult to come by, much less 1-3 hours. As much as Id enjoy it...!

    scoota_gal, I dont have a thermometer, but Im heating the milk just past where I can hold my palm against the jug, and where the pitch of the steaming sound drops right down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6E637C63646F7D78637E6F0A0 link=1255646232/42#42 date=1255989619
    Id definitely love to have someone come out and teach me a few things. But running a business and being a dad to 3 young kids takes a lot of time, so its a last resort, unfortunately. Before I try that, Ill experiment with the beans etc., and see how I go. Im not ignoring your advice; its just that even half an hour would be difficult to come by, much less 1-3 hours. As much as Id enjoy it
    If you want someone with the same machine (me) to give you an over the phone lesson just PM me

    The Galatea has a 4 hole steam tip and is fast, 10 seconds per 300ml sounds about right

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 694D444447477D694D514F4D220 link=1255646232/43#43 date=1255994997
    If you want someone with the same machine (me) to give you an over the phone lesson just PM me
    Thanks KK. Thats very kind of you! I might take you up on that. If youre on skype, you can get me with the skype button below (we can arrange a time). Otherwise, Ill PM you my phone number.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Woo hoo! CS beans just arrived. A whole swag of different varieties to experiment with!!! Will report back soon... ish...

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Quote Originally Posted by 727F607F787361647F6273160 link=1255646232/44#44 date=1255996241
    Quote Originally Posted by 694D444447477D694D514F4D220 link=1255646232/43#43 date=1255994997
    If you want someone with the same machine (me) to give you an over the phone lesson just PM me
    Thanks KK. Thats very kind of you! I might take you up on that. If youre on Skype, you *can get me with the Skype button below (we can arrange a time). Otherwise, Ill PM you my phone number.
    Not hard to download Skype if needed
    Installing Skype as I post :D
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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    Sipping an Ethiopian Kuza latte as a type. Still not quite what Im after, but a lot better than the other beans I was using.

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

    A big thanks to Koffee Kosmo who just spent an hour on the phone with me, going over some basics and making some very interesting blend recommendations. A lot to try! Very exciting!

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    Re: Why doesnt my coffee taste as good as the cafe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 434E514E494250554E5342270 link=1255646232/42#42 date=1255989619
    Im heating the milk just past where I can hold my palm against the jug, and where the pitch of the steaming sound drops right down.
    My guess is that this is too hot. I try and stop just as the sound starts to drop, and I test the feel of the jug after it has sat for 5 seconds or so. Its always hotter than when its fresh off the machine. I also test on the base of the jug not the side.

    Try a couple of seconds shorter and see how you go. Milk that is too hot has a VERY detrimental effect on the taste of coffee.

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