Just put up a sign like the one in Bar Italia in Leichhardt:
couple of questions some of the commercial operators might be able to help me get a grip on. Background to this is an outdoor takeaway only festival crowd.
Milk types. Plan was to only offer full cream but thinking that I am bound to get asked for Soy or Low Fat as well. What sort of percentage of each of these drinks do you make compared to full cream?
Decaf do you offer it as well? I have plenty of grinders so that bit is easy. Thinking 1 in 30-40? Or dont bother?
Bit of a dumb question but from having easy accsess to a sink to limited water how often do you wash out the milk Jugs? :P
Bound to be a few more questions as I think of them, TIA
Just put up a sign like the one in Bar Italia in Leichhardt:
Originally Posted by 5A5D59565E544151565F380 link=1265938570/0#0 date=1265938570No CleanOriginally Posted by 6865727A6F67000 link=1265938570/1#1 date=1265943222
Talked to a few more today and agreed NO decaf is the way to go. But the Juries out on Soy and Skinny talked to my crew today and they reckon 20-30% skinny is about what they do but thats with a cafe with some takeaways and a few Soy per day :-/
Dont like steaming skinny much and hate the taste of soy but I guess I will need to buy some and practice a bit myself :P
If its a one off festival Id only be offering full cream.
You cant please all of the people all of the time so you might as well please yourself.
Maybee Full and Hi Lo - Wouldnt bother with skim for 1 event.
Originally Posted by 4146424D454F5A4A4D44230 link=1265938570/3#3 date=1265963820I love my espresso and ristrettos shots but I cant stand the long blacks that i make by pulling the shot over hot water, but others absolutely love them, and they come back for more.....my mother in law always says, "just because you dont like it, doesnt mean others wont". Shes an amazing chef and im always bugging her to cook things she hates eating.....samething i suppose ;)Originally Posted by 774B564D474651444C47230 link=1265938570/4#4 date=1265979125
Its something i have to learn::)
Originally Posted by 6561475E5E5B44535C320 link=1265938570/6#6 date=1265982356
What dont you like about them WSully? :-?
Cant really put my finger on it, but if i had to attempt.......just dont like the watered down taste of the "americano" id much rather have a sweet full bodied shot anyday of the week ;)
Originally Posted by 72765049494C53444B250 link=1265938570/6#6 date=1265982356
So WSully is off the hook; it is not that you dont like *your long blacks but that you dont like long blacks period!Originally Posted by 72765049494C53444B250 link=1265938570/8#8 date=1265984411
I was talking about mine, but yeah dont like em period, trust me its not through lack of trying, tried Di Bella, Venesianos etc just cant get the taste for them, as i said i prefer the shot.
Warren I was talking about the practicality of running a stand not who likes what.Originally Posted by 5E5A7C6565607F6867090 link=1265938570/6#6 date=1265982356
How about stocking the top 3 selling soy milk varieties to cater for all possible customers?
At some point it becomes ridiculous (and uneconomical) to try and please everyone.
We are talking here about how many different types of milk to have on hand for the day.
Obviously long blacks are off topic.
Id personally go for around half and half full cream and low-fat milk. In my experience, a lot of people nowdays ask for a skim or skinny latte or cap but they dont really mean skim milk as such but just low fat.
I probably wouldnt worry about the soy option - you probably wouldnt get enough of those to justify the extra cleaning, cost of buying the milk, and having to cart around a second milk jug. Ditto for the Decaf.
No experience in coffee carts whatsoever, but lots of experience waiting in lines (and eavesdropping) to order a coffee over the years!
[off topic] Hey, BF - I think you could probably take the P Plates off your sig now...I think youve well and truly passed the point of no return! :D [/off topic]
I just upgraded myself from "L" plates earlier this week. After the Folk Festival one of three things will happen, Full Licence, back to L plates or in the Looney Bin I think :DOriginally Posted by 0E293F2D35460 link=1265938570/12#12 date=1266016819
At this stage low fat is my preference not skinny and will see how 70 / 30 split goes. Soy is most likely out but if we get some asking the Supermarket is only 100m away and the dairy is doing daily deliveries if needed.
The long black thing is not so silly to dicuss, a mate of mine likes the shot poured first, while I like the look of the shot poured over hot water. Personally the best long blacks by far are Syphons with the right beans but I wont be doing Syphon for the weekend ;)
Thanks TG! as per usual, straight to the point, not a bush in sight to beat, i apologise profusely for taking it off topic....... :POriginally Posted by 1E223F242E2F382D252E4A0 link=1265938570/11#11 date=1266015749
Dairy Farmers has a "Lite White" product that caters for all crowds and its not skim milk, rather its the low fat product.
Id suggest just buying it as opposed to having several different types as your full cream drinkers wont tell the difference and your skim milk drinkers will be just as happy when you tell them you have that milk on offer.
But otherwise, just take some skim and when you run out, well, you run out.
Having said that, when weve done "coffee cart" or away functions, I usually slip in a few containers of skim as you always get asked for it.
Ultimately though, what will determine what you take is cost and profit. Low fat and skim milk are more expensive than normal milk and if youre charging the same price for those drinks, then youre going to see that affect your margins. Something for you to think about...
:P Back at ya!Originally Posted by 3632140D0D0817000F610 link=1265938570/14#14 date=1266022123
Yeah the cost thing I find a laugh as the milk companies can use the extra milk fats saved for other products so it must be one of the more profitable sides of their production. Your right most drinkers wouldnt notice the difference like most wouldnt notice me serving them Harris preground either ;)
Decisions made, thanks all. No Decaff. Full cream 70%, Low Fat 25% and 5% skinny. Soy if it looks like we need it but not offered on the menu. As I can tweak it every day or top up from the Supermarket it is not like going out into the sticks for a job.
I run a coffee cart business around metro Melbourne I have found with our bigger events we do 2/3 full cream and 1/3 skinny. I would also suggested if you like making money with minimal effort you should stock soy milk and decafe And charge a extra 50c for both I just get long life from safeway and if you dont use it all you will just have it saved for next time.
Washup sort of. 3 days over we did over 100 litres of milk. We ran out at roughly 25% Low Fat (2%) and 5% Soy.
Didnt do Skinny milk and anyone who asked seemed fine with low fat as an option.
Started with no soy but had a few conversations with Soy drinkers on day one and they came back a few times over the weekend as we went and got some. I guess it is worth carrying a little and the shelf life is good so next time round we will carry a little.
Finished up getting a 1kg bag of Espresso WOW from Andy, apart from doing some freeby Espresso shots to doubters of Decaff tasting good (and it does *:) ), Decaff sales under 1%, result is not worth the effort I suppose but the people that brought them were happy being able to get one. Might be I get some more green and use my own 250g roasts of Decaf ?
Also interesting I offered $2 espresso shots as singles or doubles. No figures on these as I served them in Ceramics but I reckon 50ish over the 3 days. So 5% ish of sales as Espressos :)
Approaching 10% I think sales of Hot Chocs, offered both CS cocoas, kids adults in the mix, great $$ and very happy customers. Double Dutch by a wide margin. This is still with mild temps and a daytime only crowd.
Satisfying too quick look at the boxes of left over cups and there is more left over tubes of 12 oz than 8 oz. Seems that you can do without Jumbos.
Noticeable repeat customers for these over the weekendOriginally Posted by 6064425B5B5E415659370 link=1265938570/6#6 date=1265982356
I survived, I enjoyed the experience, we got plenty of repeats and positive feedback so I guess maybe its time *;)Originally Posted by 7F584E5C44370 link=1265938570/12#12 date=1266016819
Thanks for the input gang *8-)
Next issue is over Easter
Next time you will do 100 litres and think "that was easy what was I worried about!!!.
Ah...pretty much as I predicted!Originally Posted by 0007030C040E1B0B0C05620 link=1265938570/19#19 date=1268041525
Great to hear your first run went so well, BF...thanks for the update, cant wait to hear how Easter goes for you! Which no doubt will definitely be cooler!
Only problem with your business now is that its not near me ;D
Would love to have a squizz at that Izzo as well as all of those flying toys! Will be a couple of years before I would get the opportunity to make the trip though.
Good to hear it went well.
Yep 100 litres of milk 15 kg of beans No worries now *::) Easter will be a breeze 2-3 kg a day :)
Minor mention too used Sugar in bowls Raw and White rather than straws to save on the mess and those pesky packets blowing away in the wind. Also a cost saver.
I also used Biopak Compostable double walled Cups, Lids and Spoons. So everything except coffee bags and milk containers is off to the local compost facility this week *8-) No real taste issues and all corn starch based plastics makes for a good selling point I reckon. Small price penalty to pay at this stage.
Reduced back to the Pavoni and Syphons for a few weeks now *:-?
In the market stall i run, for every 15 litres of fat milk, I would do 3 litres of skinny. I use Coles homebrand "whole" and YL Coles Lite.
Lite is brilliant to work with, stretches beautifully and textures so nicely!
Decaf - would do maybe 2 per day out of 300 odd cups.
One of the big events I did, we moved out 6kgs beans, 150 litres of milk and did 3 decafs - all in around 5 hours!
The portofino kept up - - just!
Only 6kgs of coffee? What sized baskets were you using?
Single shots into bucketsOmilk maybe :-? ;D
Maybe it was instant :o ;D :D
nah, 18g baskets. using 8, 12, 16, 20oz cups.
not instant, trust me!
Are you serious about the 16oz and 20oz?Originally Posted by 272F26283F3F38244A0 link=1265938570/28#28 date=1281330711
the 16g are popular for hot chocs (google indulge senses) and the 20oz are popular with truckies (think 3 shots, at least 4 sugars) and double cupped
Coffee heathens alive and well at a market near you :P If I drank a 20oz about 7shots would be needed please ::)