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    Is it ok to pour a single shot of coffee from a double basket?

    or better stick with single basket for single pour and vice-versa.

    I have a double basket (although it has both 1cup and 2cup markings)
    and cant be bothered to keep changing baskets

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    No.

    You would have to adjust the grind quite a bit otherwise the flow will be too fast, if it would work at all... using the single basket would allow the use of the same grind, or just a small adjustment, depending on the grinder.

    If you "...cant be bothered.." to do something so simple as to change baskets, why are you wasting your time making espresso when just dropping a spoonful or two of instant into a cup is so easy and quick? ...although it does take some time to boil water, and that might be a bother as well. :o

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 51565B4E43220 link=1267026338/0#0 date=1267026338
    Is it ok to pour a single shot of coffee from a double basket?
    YES! Of course! I only ever use my double basket as I find the results are much tastier. I also couldnt be bothered changing between the two constantly, simply because I find the shots out of the single basket arent as good as the ones I get from my double basket.


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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Hi styla,

    I am not sure if its just me, but I read this as a can I half fill a double basket question?

    If that is what youre asking, the answer is 100% no. Perhaps its worth trying to scrounge another group handle. That said, I dont think I have used a single (other than to hold a blind filter) in the last 5 years.

    Hope that helps...

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    My favourite shot is to pull a single through a double basket
    But I always fill the basket

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 603F27313A313D343437373F333C520 link=1267026338/3#3 date=1267045582
    I am not sure if its just me, but I read this as a can I half fill a double basket question?
    Thats how I read it as well and agree that the answer is no. *If you only half fill the basket you will get a gusher.

    You can however fill the double basket and only run enough coffee equivalent to a single shot. *I think thats a double ristretto and something I often do.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Single baskets belong in the bottom drawer.

    Full dose, Grind, Tamp and use the double to make a single shot if you must or pour one off for the fridge for an iced coffee.

    Look up the term Ristretto and play around with using a double shot pour but only take a single of it into the cup for different flavours. ie. Miss the first 2-3 seconds of the pour and the last 10 seconds or so and use the middle you might find it sweeter and tastier :)

    If your worried about wasting coffee and the expense get into roasting your own :D

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    The main problem is the basket.
    I have only 1 unpressurised double basket.
    Even if I get my hands on a second group handle I will need another single unpressurised basket (which is not available for my model)

    I dont mind changing baskets but if I do, im changing back to pressurised.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Drink double shots or just waste a shot or even throw the second shot from the double in the fridge for iced coffee or something like that.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    You can make a single from a double basket, but you will be wasting coffee (unless youre making two singles)
    The double always makes a nicer coffee than the single though in my experience.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    The reality is that you can do *anything* like that, if it takes your fancy. You can certainly continue to do it as long as you like the result.

    I would suggest you try a ristretto. Use the double basket as you would for a double shot but express only 30 ml (or even less) of coffee from it. If you are a milk and/or sugar person then add a lot less than you normally would for a shot until you get the taste you like.

    Just for the record, since I discovered ristrettos I never make a full shot and I always fill the double basket with grounds.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1F2C232934120A634D0 link=1267026338/1#1 date=1267031337
    If you "...cant be bothered.." to do something so simple as to change baskets, why are you wasting your time making espresso when just dropping a spoonful or two of instant into a cup is so easy and quick? *
    See these are the comments some people should keep under their hat, styla was simply asking a question. No one else had answered as the above member did, all other answers have been helpfull.

    I guess a little understanding of new people not knowing as much as older members goes along way.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    The way i see the questions is like this...

    He is asking if pouring a single 30mm(aprox) shot though a properly dosed double basket?

    YEP! sure is! I do it all the time at home. Keep in mind though that with a volumetric espresso machine, it doesnt take into account the extra coffee in the basket. This extra coffee will soak up some extra water making the 30mm shot somewhat shorter. If your pouring manually then you can stop the shot whenever you like.

    The result of this shot is a little more sweeter, fuller in body and thicker in mouth feel. And of course more intense than a single shot through a single basket.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 50697779435B1C0 link=1267026338/12#12 date=1267688240
    The way i see the questions is like this...

    He is asking if pouring a single 30mm(aprox) shot though a properly dosed double basket?
    I dont think you read it right.


    Quote Originally Posted by 6F6865707D1C0 link=1267026338/0#0 date=1267026338
    I have a double basket (although it has both 1cup and 2cup markings)
    To fill the basket to the 1 cup level would need the grind adjusted differently to that used for the 2 cup level.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    The way i see the questions is like this...

    He is asking if he can pour a single 30(aprox) shot through a double basket that has been dosed with a single dose of coffee?

    Errrr...ima go with no...well yes but no.

    The result will be a weak underextracted shot leaving much to be desired.
    Quote Originally Posted by 714D504B414057424A41250 link=1267026338/13#13 date=1267709156
    I dont think you read it right.
    Guilty as charged :)

    EDIT: On second thought...just disregard my comments as i no longer have any idea what were talking about I had a laugh *:D

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 09302E201A02450 link=1267026338/14#14 date=1267743749
    i no longer have any idea what were talking about *
    I think whoever designed the basket has no idea about making coffee.

    For example, how are you to consistently dose to the one cup mark?
    Thered need to be an awful lot of trial and error before youd be able to do it; and waste a lot of coffee along the way.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0A362B303A3B2C39313A5E0 link=1267026338/15#15 date=1267744407
    I think whoever designed the basket has no idea about making coffee.

    For example, how are you to consistently dose to the one cup mark?
    Thered need to be an awful lot of trial and error before youd be able to do it; and waste a lot of coffee along the way. *
    I think your right but I would guess they are marked for people who scoop out 1 or 2 measures of pre-ground and dont really care about a good extraction. *:-[

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 665A475C565740555D56320 link=1267026338/15#15 date=1267744407
    Quote Originally Posted by 09302E201A02450 link=1267026338/14#14 date=1267743749
    i no longer have any idea what were talking about *
    I think whoever designed the basket has no idea about making coffee.

    For example, how are you to consistently dose to the one cup mark?
    Thered need to be an awful lot of trial and error before youd be able to do it; and waste a lot of coffee along the way.
    Not having seen the basket I am wondering if it is just ridged rather than having a mark for a single shot dose, and the OP mistakenly thinks this is for a single.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F495E554F4850523B0 link=1267026338/17#17 date=1267751419
    Not having seen the basket I am wondering if it is just ridged rather than having a mark for a single shot dose, and the OP mistakenly thinks this is for a single. *
    "it has both 1cup and 2cup markings"
    This suggests two markings, not one ridgeline.

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    Its getting too complicated. Styla - its easy but make the effort to change baskets - try what I do. Leave the grind the same and adjust your dosing and tamp methods for the single ie full basket, knock the filter handle two or three whatever times to settle the grinds and play around with the tamp. You can simply rest the tamper on top and polish lightly if you want. It works.

    A single basket will give you just as good a shot as a double any time without having to change the grind - just practice..

    This American fixation with using doubles all the time is nonsense.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 636A796A7D6C7D6A626E0F0 link=1267026338/19#19 date=1267760938
    This American fixation with using doubles all the time is nonsense.
    American?

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5B677A616B6A7D68606B0F0 link=1267026338/20#20 date=1267774124
    Quote Originally Posted by 636A796A7D6C7D6A626E0F0 link=1267026338/19#19 date=1267760938
    This American fixation with using doubles all the time is nonsense. *
    American?
    Ya... I only use double baskets... Lazy some might say, but I like to manage my shot as I see fit ;)

    But if it is an American way, I guess I might have to stop :o :o :o

    Dont want to change my PC and other app settings to take American Speeling etc as the default..

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    I always use the double but then again I always use a double shot in my coffee. :D :D :D I dont think the singles have enough of a hit.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Not only is it OK to use a double basket for a single shot (provided you fill it to the double shot mark), its also easier to repeat and you get a nicer shot out of it

    or rather than letting your double run to ~60ml, cut it shorter at ~30ml for a nice sweet ristretto style shot which is what I normally do

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Chalk up another ristretto drinker here. I always use double baskets for my shots at home, I roast my own beans though so that helps with costs.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    You can not half fill the basket but you can defently fill the double pour into a cup on one side and do wat ever you want with the other shot. You get a much nicer flavour from a double basket due to the fact that there is more coffee for the water to pass through giving you a better result in the cup.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 0B38373D20061E77590 link=1267026338/1#1 date=1267031337
    sing the single basket would allow the use of the same grind, or just a small adjustment,
    Uhm, is that true? I notice that with my Rocky I need to dial up to 11 for my single basket (from 6 for my double) - quite a bit coarser.

    This is with a Gaggia Classic, and a new set of baskets that I bought with my Pullman tamper.

    Does my machine need looking at?

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 3B3C3C3B2D232827490 link=1267026338/26#26 date=1268294694
    Quote Originally Posted by 0B38373D20061E77590 link=1267026338/1#1 date=1267031337
    sing the single basket would allow the use of the same grind, or just a small adjustment,
    Uhm, is that true? I notice with my Rocky, that I need to dial up to 11 for my single basket (from 6 for my double) - quite a bit courser.

    This is with a Gaggia Classic, and a new set of baskets that I bought with my Pullman tamper.

    Does my machine need looking at?
    NO 2+ 2 = 5 and no two grinder or machines are the same.. I had to change at least 3 clicks on my Rocky and remember ya have 1/2 a shot of grinds in there unless you flush them out.

    As rand said..

    SLING the single... That is toss it out teh door :D

    Ya want a small er shot.. Pull it short or let the other side go to the spil tray or collect them for cold coffee later.

    KISS and save ya self some time. What ever ya do.. Just sling the single..

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Pitch the single basket.

    Use the double exclusively.

    I never use the single basket. Always the double. Filled to the brim before tamped. I run the pour between 25-30 seconds for a FW.
    10-15 for a ristretto

    With the dual spout I never waste the pour. Always collect from the both.

    Ill be getting a naked portafilter this weekend anyway.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F4845505D3C0 link=1267026338/7#7 date=1267060382
    The main problem is the basket.
    I have only 1 unpressurised double basket.
    Even if I get my hands on a second group handle I will need another single unpressurised basket (which is not available for my model)

    I dont mind changing baskets but if I do, im changing back to pressurised.

    I think the consensus here is:

    1) You must always fill the basket the way it was designed to be filled. Underfilling a basket is a serious no no.

    2) Double baskets make superior shots. I cant agree more.

    3) Single baskets (even if you find a non-pressurized one) are more finicky to use. They REALLY need an even tamp and good dose and distribution to avoid chanelling (muddy puck syndrome), but once youve got it right it will work all the same.

    Though I personally use a single basket, I could see the value in using a double basket to make ristretto bases for your drinks. I find the single basket more suitable for the way i drink coffee. A single shot into about 140ml of hot water.

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    Re: single shot using double basket OK?

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    Just to throw something in, if making a single shot drink, ill have my cup under one spout, and an espresso demitasse under the other, and just drink the espresso shot on its own, an continue to make the other drink. Plus ive also marked on my demitasse where 30ml and 60ml are, so i can get a good volume/time measurement of the extraction :)



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