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    Cafe Music Selection?

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    Its a bit of a strange question and I have done a search and not come up with anything.

    I would be interested to know more about the music choices in cafes. The selection seems to make a big difference to the experience. I still recall about 10 years ago going out for breakfast at on of the Sydney beaches and the relaxed flowing music made it such a better experience. It was similar today at the cafe in the airport.

    I guess what I am asking is if there are any CD recommendations for that low level background music that it often played in coffee shops. I recall travelling in Germany and there was one coffee shop we were in and the music was great, as it turned out they had the CD for sale up the front (now kicking myself I didnt get it).

    Obviously it is difficult to describe music but if you can imaging a relaxed Saturday morning, a busy coffee shop, great coffee, perhaps bacon and eggs, trendy architecture, the Saturday paper, all the time in the world ....... what is the soundtrack for this?

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    Re: Cafe Music Selection?

    Artist - Brian Eno is in the category you described

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    We play The Coffee Lounge (music to watch the days go by). *Volumes include espresso, latte, cappucino & mocha. *

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    Ah a fellow Geelongian! :D I think they should play Cradle of Filth in cafes. Wouldnt that be an experience! :)

    Nah all jokes aside, i love my classical music, but im not a fan of it being labelled as background music. However I certainly wouldnt say no to Mozart being played in cafes.. And i have heard classical and romantic period pieces played often..

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    Simon, The Crade of flith reference reminded me of this
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Dbjiz6imxE

    Where I work, we just play what ever is on the radio, then again I work in a food court so it doesnt sound out.

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    Most royalty-free chill/downtempo is a good choice.

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    I kinda like Bossa Nova, and Latin beats.

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    Thanks all ..... there are some good suggestions to follow up on there. I have been able to request a few from the local library to try out :)

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    I like Radio Paradise (from California)--my ISP provides it free.

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    Hi Greg .... yep good call. I have listened to Radio Paradise in the past and it is a good mix. As it happens I also have it free! I am actually moving to Adelaide in a few months so I am glad I can get Triple R and Radio Paradise free on my ISP.

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    We play Latin American, Billy Joel, Cyndi Lauper, The Beatles, Nick Cave, Bob Dylan, Joan Baez, Don McLean, and an old fave that I have tickets to see next week, Ute Lemper.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2gNV5l_seY

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKlaV-9Vzsk

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cmNRVL1drA

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    Re: Cafe Music Selection?

    Bob Dylan, Miles Davis, Nina Simone and Curtis Mayfield are my favs

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    Just out of curiousisty, do we need a permit to play those music in
    public?

    I hear you need to get some kind of permits from local council.

    Can anyone clarify this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7C6B707A29296D6E190 link=1273391281/12#12 date=1274105731
    Just out of curiousisty, do we need a permit to play those music in
    public?

    I hear you need to get some kind of permits from local council.

    Can anyone clarify this?
    Yes, you do need to pay a fee, unless your playing royalty free tunes, when i was in the resturaunt game, i know the owners would pay around $150 a year.....that was 15 years ago.....
    People running current cafes will be able to offer better advise though......

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    Hi

    Have a read here: http://www.aria.com.au/pages/licensing-faq.htm
    If the music is currently under copyright you will need a licence if it is even heard by customers. Yeah, even if its played by the guy washing up in the back room :-)
    Let us know how it goes.

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    Opeths Deliverence is always a good cafe clearer... people have no taste!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 041615630 link=1273391281/15#15 date=1274146085
    Opeths Deliverence is always a good cafe clearer... * people have no taste!!
    Like every thing ... Location and focus ;D

    A mate would listen to that stuff in the morgue but classical in teh car...

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    Quote Originally Posted by 3330252C252F2D292B25400 link=1273391281/14#14 date=1274145085
    If the music is currently under copyright you will need a licence
    Actually two licences - AAPRA and APPCA.


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    There was similar discussion on TV this morning regarding music in gyms and the spokesperson for the fitness industry said some had already, and by July all gyms would be moving to using non PPCA music.

    http://www.smartcompany.com.au/legal/20100518-gym-operators-furious-with-1-500-increase-for-music-license-fees.html

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    Rising licensing fees are systematic of the decline in individual music sales. A couple of cafes I have worked in had ipods full to the brim with mostly pirated music. This music is being played for the commercial benefit of the cafes, its part of what they are selling. Its only fair the artist gets a fair cut. $5-10 a day might sound like heaps but when you consider the costs to your business if you didnt play music at all its well worth while. The music industry needs it if it is to continue to develop new talent and make full time careers viable for musicians and recording artists, especially the kinds of artists you are likely to here in a cafe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 677F7A7A6F7E55676B643C3D0A0 link=1273391281/19#19 date=1274408838
    The music industry needs it if it is to continue to develop new talent and make full time careers viable for musicians and recording artists, especially the kinds of artists you are likely to here in a cafe.
    Perhaps a little tongue in cheek here, but how does the music industry develop new talent? I thought they were more interested in finding an artist that they felt would make them a profit.

    Cafes who play new talent are promoters, so wouldnt they be entitled to a cut?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 56777C7C7B61120 link=1273391281/20#20 date=1274410420
    Quote Originally Posted by 677F7A7A6F7E55676B643C3D0A0 link=1273391281/19#19 date=1274408838
    The music industry needs it if it is to continue to develop new talent and make full time careers viable for musicians and recording artists, especially the kinds of artists you are likely to here in a cafe. *
    Perhaps a little tongue in cheek here, but how does the music industry develop new talent? *I thought they were more interested in finding an artist that they felt would make them a profit.

    Cafes who play new talent are promoters, so wouldnt they be entitled to a cut?
    The music industry doesnt develop talent... it relies on it! Artists/musicians and teachers develop talent, but cant rely on the industry that relies on them especially here in Australia. Why is the media giving air time and credence to a footballer and his opinion on sexuality and yet so many worthwhile artists have no voice. The Australian Music industry is pathetically funded and largely pitched to a mediocre mass of base level consumers. This consumer base is getting more for less with iTunes and other media distribution technologies so where to from here? You reap what you sow so forget a cut for cafe exposure, do yourself a favour and play music that excites you in your cafes. Be a little proactive and you and your customers will reap artistic rewards as opposed to being commercial audio fodder!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 78595252554F3C0 link=1273391281/20#20 date=1274410420
    Quote Originally Posted by 677F7A7A6F7E55676B643C3D0A0 link=1273391281/19#19 date=1274408838
    The music industry needs it if it is to continue to develop new talent and make full time careers viable for musicians and recording artists, especially the kinds of artists you are likely to here in a cafe. *
    Perhaps a little tongue in cheek here, but how does the music industry develop new talent? *I thought they were more interested in finding an artist that they felt would make them a profit.

    Cafes who play new talent are promoters, so wouldnt they be entitled to a cut?
    Musicians are just as much a part of the industry as the record companies who deal in the big dollars. People need to reassess the feelings people have towards the record industry as a whole. It has changed dramatically in the last 10 years. Music is far more democratic then it was, artists do not need record companies like they once did. Independents make up a much larger percentage of the record industry then they once did. These days if artists want a label deal, the majority first have to spend a fair amount of cash, time and resources recording and producing work in order to send to a record company in the hope they will give you a small promotional budget and distribute it through commercial channels. The days of sending in a 4 track cassete demo in the hope that someone will spot your talent and heap hundreds of thousands of dollars on you are long gone. Being signed is no guarantee of making a return on any investment. Typically the cost of recording an Album would be somewhere between $10-20,000 You have to sell a lot of CDs or itunes singles to make that back.

    Entitled to a cut? Cafes = Promoters? Hardly unless you are also a CD shop. What have you invested in order to claim you should receive a return? What percentage of customers ask about whats being played? 1-2% the vast majority just enjoy it with their coffee and might come back if they like your taste.

    You might argue that anytime an artists music is played it counts as promotion, or every-time you make a great coffee for someone in a cafe it is promotion. Just because there is mutual benefit does not mean that someone should not be paid for their work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4A5A4D5C5C1A1B18101F1B280 link=1273391281/21#21 date=1274411577
    so forget a cut for cafe exposure
    Quote Originally Posted by 455D58584D5C774549461E1F280 link=1273391281/22#22 date=1274416005
    Entitled to a cut? Cafes = Promoters? Hardly unless you are also a CD shop. What have you invested in order to claim you should receive a return? *
    Quote Originally Posted by 6C4D4646415B280 link=1273391281/20#20 date=1274410420
    Perhaps a little tongue in cheek here,


    Just for the record, I have never had an objection to paying a royalty fee for music played in my shop.

    Quote Originally Posted by 455D58584D5C774549461E1F280 link=1273391281/19#19 date=1274408838
    Rising licensing fees are systematic of the decline in individual music sales.
    Rising licensing fees? *You call an overnight tenfold increase a rising licensing fee? I dont generally have any sympathy for gymnasiums but how can you possibly justify that sort of a hike unless of course this philanthropic music industry has had a long bout of the Rip Van Winkles?




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