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    Single basket, stuck puck

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    Ill preface this by saying that like most CSers i prefer not to use my single basket however ive discovered that im able to get a quality shot from it on my new Domobar Jnr. and it comes in handy on the rare occurrence when im home alone and want a piccolo latte.

    Now, with that out of the way.
    Basically, every time i use my single basket the puck gets stuck in the basket making knocking it out impossible and instead requiring a spoon, some agitation and some time consuming scooping of little bits of puck until its clean.
    Im getting good results in the cup but the puck is always incredibly dry, hard and compressed.

    I dont have any such problems with my double basket, with it knocking out easily and cleanly with the resulting pucks at the perfect consistency.

    I dont know if its a problem with my technique, my dose, my tamping or simply the design of the standard Domobar Jnr. ridged single basket, but ive altered all the variables i can, one by one, and still the stuck pucks continue.

    My kingdom for a solution, oh wise ones. *;)

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Your looking at a much smaller mass (harder to get into motion) in the single so I suspect a harder sharper hit on the bar may help, the ridge would also help to hold it in place, is your double ridged or ridgeless? :)

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 003C352D38590 link=1277698700/1#1 date=1277700186
    is your double ridged or ridgeless?
    Both the single and double baskets are ridged.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 686868220 link=1277698700/2#2 date=1277700763
    Quote Originally Posted by 003C352D38590 link=1277698700/1#1 date=1277700186
    is your double ridged or ridgeless?
    Both the single and double baskets are ridged.
    OK, can you see what I mean when I say the extra weight in the double puck may help to overcome inertia making it easier to knock out?
    Have you tried a hard sharp tap when knocking the single?

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Try taping the side of the group handle on the *vertical side of the kitchen sink *

    If you want it a little neater, do it inside a used shopping bag so the spent puck falls in the bag This is what I do

    For the science of my method
    The side impact causes the puck to allow air in and release its suction type grip allowing the puck to fall out

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Try running some water onto the puck.
    If the group handle is bottomless, run it onto the underside of the basket.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Thanks for all the suggestions, lads.
    Its nice to know that its likely a knocking technique issue rather than an issue with the important stuff.
    I just got home and the machine is firing up so as soon as its good to go im going to test out all three suggestions, hopefully i find one that solves the problem.

    Quote Originally Posted by 744841594C2D0 link=1277698700/3#3 date=1277701901
    OK, can you see what I mean when I say the extra weight in the double puck may help to overcome inertia making it easier to knock out?
    Have you tried a hard sharp tap when knocking the single?
    I hadnt thought of altering my knocking out technique, but it makes perfect sense to try a sharp, hard tap to dislodge it.

    Quote Originally Posted by 66424B4B48487266425E40422D0 link=1277698700/4#4 date=1277702273
    Try taping the side of the group handle on thevertical side of the kitchen sink

    If you want it a little neater, do it inside a used shopping bag so the spent puck falls in the bag This is what I do
    I hadnt thought of that either.
    I havent been too creative with knocking out for fear of doing damage to my shiny new piece of quality machinery.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7945584349485F4A42492D0 link=1277698700/5#5 date=1277702514
    Try running some water onto the puck.
    Ive tried putting a little tap water on it but that didnt move it.
    Perhaps ill give it a good soaking and see if that helps.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Just tried all three methods and still the puck wont budge. *:(

    On the plus side, the piccolo was a cracker.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Its mostly to do with the Ridged Basket(s) Ristrom.....

    Cast around some of our Site Sponsors mate and see if anyone sells a Ridgeless Single Basket. I know Bezzera make really decent ones so its possible you may be able to pick up one of these.... :)

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Thanks Mal. :)
    I thought perhaps the basket might be part of the problem because the base looks like it could easily trap a puck.

    Most of the standard ridgeless baskets on the market will fit my group handle, no?
    Ill have a look at the sponsors sites and do some research into which one is the best fit, what fellow CSers prefer and what size (be it the 6 or 7g) i should go for.

    Just looking now, i like the sound of these triple baskets, too. :D

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Actually, do single ridgeless baskets exist?

    Looking around, the 7g single basket for the VBMs seems to have a flatter base than the standard 6g so perhaps thats my best option even though its still technically ridged.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Have a teaspoon/toothbrush on hand to gently scrape the puck out? :-?

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Recently read a thread about an unusual basket

    We surmised that it was a basket to hold pods
    Now uses it for a single basket & reports that its a ripper

    Its worth a try if you can get a hold of one

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 1414145E0 link=1277698700/10#10 date=1277721016
    Actually, do single ridgeless baskets exist?
    Certainly do...

    Like I mentioned above, Bezzera make a decent one.... 8-)

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 44696D616C000 link=1277698700/13#13 date=1277793290
    Certainly do...

    Like I mentioned above, Bezzera make a decent one.... Cool
    I looked, Mal, oh i looked.
    Sadly i couldnt find as much as a sniff of a single ridgeless basket (or even much discussion on it, anywhere), Bezzera or otherwise. *:-[

    Im going to try the slightly bigger ridged single given its bottom looks less conducive to stuck pucks than the slightly smaller original.
    Hopefully it works, if not ill continue my search for a ridgeless single (that or do as i did this afternoon and just have doppio piccolo lattes *:D ).

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 737373390 link=1277698700/14#14 date=1277794337
    I looked, Mal, oh i looked.
    Sadly i couldnt find as much as a sniff of a single ridgeless basket (or even much discussion on it, anywhere), Bezzera or otherwise. *:-[
    I think Gaggia also make one for their machines (convertible to pods). Have you tried contacting either Barazi or Di Bartoli as if anyone can help you out, these guys should be able to... :)

    Heres a photo below of the basket from my BZ-35... Cant sell it to you though as my son already has dibs on it.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Sorry for not posting quicker

    I took a photo of my Bezzera single basket for you to view

    This particular basket makes a great single shot

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Bezzera supplied a ridgeless single basket with my Galatea (a few months ago) so as Mal suggests give Barazi a call and Rancillio used to supply one with new Silvias, I have one of each.
    Why not put a wanted request in the site classifieds? most people seem to dislike the singles, there must be a Silvia owner willing to part with one. :)

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 0D2920202323190D29352B29460 link=1277698700/16#16 date=1277816327
    Sorry for not posting quicker

    I took a photo of my Bezzera single basket for you to view

    This particular basket makes a great single shot

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    Interesting KK, just comparing my single from Bezzera with your photo, mines a totally different basket, much larger perforated area and smaller shoulders, as has been said before I doubt Bezzera make them, so perhaps on occasion they use baskets from different suppliers.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 5D61687065040 link=1277698700/18#18 date=1277817038
    Interesting KK, just comparing my single from Bezzera with your photo, mines a totally different basket, much larger perforated area and smaller shoulders, as has been said before I doubt Bezzera make them, so perhaps on occasion they use baskets from different suppliers.
    I believe that my basket is the 9 grams capacity

    I had the same one on the Galatea

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B6F666665655F4B6F736D6F000 link=1277698700/19#19 date=1277818126
    Quote Originally Posted by 5D61687065040 link=1277698700/18#18 date=1277817038
    Interesting KK, just comparing my single from Bezzera with your photo, mines a totally different basket, much larger perforated area and smaller shoulders, as has been said before I doubt Bezzera make them, so perhaps on occasion they use baskets from different suppliers. *
    I believe that my basket is the 9 grams capacity

    I had the same one on the Galatea

    KK
    This thread has caused me to revisit the single basket, 9 grams sounds about right, have been playing with it for a couple of days, the one Im using will hold 11 grams and not contact the shower screen, might start another thread re results.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    I tried the new, slightly bigger 7g ridged single basket this morning and finally im able to knock it out.

    It takes a couple of knocks but its far better than having to scoop the stuck puck out with a spoon.

    I also bought a slightly bigger 14g double so im keen to try that out when i get home this arvo to see if i get any noticeable difference in the cup from the higher capacity basket.

    Yet again thank you all for the help, lads.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Ristrom, I have exactly the same setup as you and use the VBM single basket everyday and it knocks out perfectly every time.

    I wonder what your dosing, tamping and leveling technique is. I wonder how you level. If you dont take some out below the rim you cant lock the group handle in. How do you do this? I use scott callaghans dosing tools and get good consistent results with the single. Im sure we can solve your problem without buying another basket.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Thanks for the response, barri.

    I already picked up another slightly bigger single basket which cost next to nothing and has solved the problem of the stuck puck, thankfully.

    My routine is basically dose, collapse, dose, collapse, dose and then level off NSEW with my finger, followed by the tamp, a slight tap on the tamp mat and finally another light tamp.

    Ive used the Dosing Tools (number 2 in the small set, from memory) with the single once or twice and the stuck puck issue remained.

    No idea what the problem was but as i said in the OP, ive been very happy with the results in the cup (with both baskets) so it was more an issue of frustration and inconvenience at continually having to scoop the belligerent out of the single rather than a problem with my extraction.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 1D1D1D570 link=1277698700/23#23 date=1277896722
    I already picked up another slightly bigger single basket
    Ridged or ridgeless? :)

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    Ridged.

    At that stage i couldnt find a ridgeless single (or even much to suggest they actually existed) so i went with the bigger ridged single.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

    I always find that my single basket fails to knock all the puck out. Always leaves a ridge of grounds around the ridge in the basket. I have always just tapped the main part of the puck out then run a clean tissue around the ridge to dislodge the remainder. A little messy (it goes onto a page from old catalogues in the sink & thence into the bin) but quick & effective. Its the shape of the basket with that ridge thats the cause.

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    Re: Single basket, stuck puck

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0C0C0C460 link=1277698700/23#23 date=1277896722
    Thanks for the response, barri.

    I already picked up another slightly bigger single basket which cost next to nothing and has solved the problem of the stuck puck, thankfully.

    My routine is basically dose, collapse, dose, collapse, dose and then level off NSEW with my finger, followed by the tamp, a slight tap on the tamp mat and finally another light tamp.

    Ive used the Dosing Tools (number 2 in the small set, from memory) with the single once or twice and the stuck puck issue remained.

    No idea what the problem was but as i said in the OP, ive been very happy with the results in the cup (with both baskets) so it was more an issue of frustration and inconvenience at continually having to scoop the belligerent out of the single rather than a problem with my extraction.

    I dose a little differently than you with the single. I dose tap and then rest the (heavy) tamper in the basket which settles the bottom of the puck, then dose, tap, "level" using dosing tools then firm tamp. This extra soft tamp at the start of the dosing routine helps produce an even puck which is necessary with the shape of the single basket.

    Try that ristrom and see if that helps! Works for me



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