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    what does soppy puck mean?

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    Re: puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A71707B7B1E0 link=1278122343/0#0 date=1278122343
    what does soppy puck mean?
    Wet puck not holding together as in a dry puck due to water logging

    Can also mean water sitting on top of the puck due to coffee grinds being to fine and water cant seep past

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    Re: puck

    Also, if the pours are about right, you might be under-dosing

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    Re: puck

    ok thanks kk + flynn..
    Im trying my first roast and trying to adjust the grind so i might go a bit coarser and dose up a bit. Here goes...
    /me

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    Re: puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 617A7B7070150 link=1278122343/3#3 date=1278124269
    ok thanks kk + flynn..
    Im trying my first roast and trying to adjust the grind so i might go a bit coarser and dose up a bit. Here goes...
    /me
    With regards to dose

    Tamp the puck to a depth level that does not interfere with the shower screen when the group handle is locked in place

    The puck should be a hairs whisker from the shower screen

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    Re: puck

    shot was better 30 ml /25 sec- but puck wet on top again and just breaks to pieces in knock out :question

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    Re: puck

    one thing i am noticing is that after filling the basket with grinds, the first tamp does compact alot.

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    Re: puck

    Depending on the basket you will have play around with the dose as well. I know that the basket that was supplied with my Pullman tamper for instance needs about 18 grams in it or the puck will break up

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    Re: puck

    ok..I really put some into the basket this time and, walla, the puck was alot better. The shot only pulled about 20 ml/30 sec so what should i adjust now? grind?


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    Re: puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 465D5C5757320 link=1278122343/8#8 date=1278126565
    ok..I really put some into the basket this time and, walla, the puck was alot better. The shot only pulled about 20 ml/30 sec so what should i adjust now? grind?
    Trial & error is the best classroom
    Then conditions like humidity & age of beans will toss you a curve ball that forces you to change the routine

    Them experience kicks in and you are on top of your game again

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    Re: puck

    What you are experiencing is very similar to my first experiences in getting the right pour. 20 seconds doesnt mean bad as long as the coffee tastes good. Ive had quite drinkable coffee from 15 second pours or 40 second pours.

    Everyone has their own technique that works for them. Try this method: fill the basket until you get a small mound, tap the group handle gently once to collapse the grinds, then top up, level off the grounds and then tamp.

    I would recommend doing some training. In the meantime, google "Weiss distribution technique" and consider investing in a naked group handle. Both helped me.

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    Re: puck

    I stick to the correct tamp depth for both my double or single baskets

    I do however tamp the single puck at double the force of the double shot

    It has never failed (said with crossed fingers) ::)

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    cheers...
    somehow, *and with amazment, I ground coarser and must have hit the sweet spot and WHOA!, I fluked the best coffee I ever did drink!!
    So that gave me some encouragement to persist. I am definitely progressing bit by bit.
    And hey everyone, I really appreciate your guidance. Not to mention the site we have at our disposal. :) :) :)

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    Re: puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A71707B7B1E0 link=1278122343/12#12 date=1278157691
    somehow,and with amazment, I ground coarser and must have hit the sweet spot and WHOA!, I fluked the best coffee I ever did drink!! *
    Thats great tonee. *Good to hear you are getting there. *Exciting isnt it!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by 6A71707B7B1E0 link=1278122343/12#12 date=1278157691
    And hey everyone, I really appreciate your guidance. Not to mention the site we have at our disposal.
    There are so many people who are willing to share their wisdom. *A great little community this Coffeesnobs.

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    Re: puck

    hey guys, i am back to getting watery/liquidy sludge on top of my pucks again. any ideas whats going on? :-/

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2E35343F3F5A0 link=1278122343/14#14 date=1288855883
    hey guys, i am back to getting watery/liquidy sludge on top of my pucks again. any ideas whats going on? :-/
    Under dosing and/or too find a grind..


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    Re: puck

    thanks AM. :P
    I am grinding on demand into pf until it fills, tapping that down by hitting pf on rubber mat twice, then re filling with mound on top. Then scraping level (N,S,E,W) and tamp/tap, then final tamp.
    how can I increase dose?
    if I grind coarser wont that mean the dose be less?
    please explain

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7D66676C6C090 link=1278122343/16#16 date=1288857275
    thanks AM. :P
    I am grinding on demand into pf until it fills, tapping that down by hitting pf on rubber mat twice, then re filling with mound on top. Then scraping level (N,S,E,W) and tamp/tap, then final tamp.
    how can I increase dose?
    if I grind coarser wont that mean the dose be less?
    please explain
    It is all different ;)

    1: What changed from what you were doing ?

    Beans or Grind ?


    A: I ignore dose as in g... I focus on "dose" as in the level, post tamping

    Thus you under dose.. You will get sloppy pucks as the excess water does not dump and just sits around on top..

    B: Diferent beans can need a slightly courser grind and the way they swell will see the same dose (maybe less tamp), swell a bit more and thus be dry.

    C: Or it means you need to dose higher ;)

    It is all trial and error as 2 + 2 = 5 for great coffee...

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    ok thanks AM ..
    sounds convincing to me :o

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    Re: puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A61606B6B0E0 link=1278122343/14#14 date=1288855883
    hey guys, i am back to getting watery/liquidy sludge on top of my pucks again. any ideas whats going on?
    Quote Originally Posted by 4F60696B7C436F606F696B636B607A0E0 link=1278122343/17#17 date=1288858304
    What changed from what you were doing ?

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    Re: puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 576B766D676671646C67030 link=1278122343/19#19 date=1288877146
    Quote Originally Posted by 7A61606B6B0E0 link=1278122343/14#14 date=1288855883
    hey guys, i am back to getting watery/liquidy sludge on top of my pucks again. any ideas whats going on?
    Quote Originally Posted by 4F60696B7C436F606F696B636B607A0E0 link=1278122343/17#17 date=1288858304
    What changed from what you were doing ?
    beans is all thats changed
    i am trying to be consistent in my dose and tamp so all i adjust is grind

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    grind was a bit fine i think as per AM

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    Re: puck

    To get more dose in without changing grind you can "cut" the coffee into the pf with a credit card or blunt side of a knife - I have to do this regularly with my stepped grinder ;)

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    Re: puck

    Quote Originally Posted by 6378797272170 link=1278122343/20#20 date=1288970333
    beans is all thats changed
    AND

    Quote Originally Posted by 6378797272170 link=1278122343/21#21 date=1288970435
    grind was a bit fine i think as per AM
    Thus you had two variables change and BEANS was the critical one..

    Beans aint beans and even roast to roast it can matter :o

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    Re: puck

    Ill be more generous than AM and say that the change of beans resulted in the grind being too fine.

    As he said "beans aint beans".
    Some beans that are new to you take longer to get used to than others.

    Lately I havent been roasting at home and have tended to buy a different bean each week.
    This means when opening a new bag I dont know where I should set the grinder.
    I take a punt at how much courser I go to allow for the freshness as compared to the just finished bag.
    From there I rely on the experience I have with my grinder to make any further adjustment or I can choose one of Scotties levelling tools as well.

    Practise, practise, practise.

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    Re: puck

    thanks for the feedback

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    Re: puck

    whoo hoo
    I finally have a shot that came out drinkable!!
    60ml in 25-30 seconds nice crema and you could see it layering before and during pouring the milk in (made a latte)
    There is still a little bit of water on top of the puck when I take the handle out.
    I have read thru and understand that it is caused by "under dosing" but if I put any more in the pf I find that if I undo it (to see if there is a screw mark) the group head filter is covered in grinds.

    Im using a rancilio silvia and a la cimbali grinder with "doser". this takes me a couple of pulls to get right amount in filter/handle.

    suggestions welcome :)

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    Gday emjaye..... :)

    Its a matter of striking a balance between Dose and Grind Setting. Dose is also affected by the Distribution method used too.

    If your Silvia is one of those with the dirty great hexagonal bolt-head protruding down into the Basket, then theres not a lot you can do with regard to upping the dose, unless you can see your way clear to replacing this ugly thing with a Countersunk or Pan-head equivalent stainless-steel Set-Screw. This will give you a lot more room to play with...

    Apart from the difference in machine design being used, the ECA How-To video guides are great tutorials for learning the basics. Perhaps you may get something out of them, here...
    http://www.espressocompany.com.au/how-to.htm

    Mal.

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    Thanks Mal I will have a look at those videos
    I was at a friends house yesterday having a "coffe technique" day.
    We were still having water on top of the puck. ran water through the group head with out the p/f in it and it came out sideways at us!!!

    soo took the group head filter off and found Id put part of the grouphead filter in the wrong way :-[ so put it back the way it should be.

    Water then ran out like rain drops and after 1st shot, hooray no more water on top of the puck post shot :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2820272C34284D0 link=1278122343/28#28 date=1290310129
    ran water through the group head with out the p/f in it and it came out sideways at us!!!

    soo took the group head filter off and found Id put part of the grouphead filter in the wrong way *:-[ so put it back the way it should be.

    Water then ran out like rain drops and after 1st shot, hooray no more water on top of the puck post shot :)
    Yep...

    Thatll do it ;D

    Glad its all sorted now mate.... 8-)

    Mal.

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    Re: puck

    i found that dosing more solved my watery puck. can see the imprint of the seal and shower [s]curtain[/s] screen now and the puck is nice and solid. :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by 574C4D4646230 link=1278122343/30#30 date=1290426406
    i found that dosing more solved my watery puck. can see the imprint of the seal and shower [s]curtain[/s] screen now and the puck is nice and solid. :P
    Cant argue with that Tonee I always like a solid puck. ::)



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