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    Summary of typical bean flavours

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Andys last BeanBay email got me thinking about home roasting again.

    But then I was hit by the big question "what to buy?" so I looked for a post that discussed the typical flavours or characteristics for beans from the various regions, and couldnt find one :-? Sure, there were lots of individual posts scattered through the forum but no sticky that made it easy for me to compare.

    If it exists and I have missed it, could someone please point me in the right direction.

    Im after at the higher level a list that says something like

    Country of Origin - typical characteristics

    then maybe some of the more common beans from that region and their characteristics. This would be a very useful resource for those new to roasting and coffee in general.

    So I can just sit back now and someone else will do all the work? ;D

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    There was a Wiki web site with all of Andys bean descriptions from all past Bean Bays

    However this was attacked by spammers all the time and it was abandoned

    KK

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    I want to start a website, Coffee and Cars ;D now that is the type of thing I would have on it, an easy guide to read about beans and their flavours/aromas from all over the world. Obviously I wont have tried anywhere near even 1% but I thought that if I could find all the reviews on a bean and then put together the consistent views then it would be close to the reality of the bean.

    Mmmm I think Im becoming a little obsessed...

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Thanks KK, how about you just summarise it in a post and it gets made a sticky 8-)

    Oh wait, SS is putting it in a website, got the URL for that yet SS? ;D

    patient? who me? :-[

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 43676E6E6D6D5743677B6567080 link=1297765982/1#1 date=1297768267
    There was a Wiki web site with all of Andys bean descriptions from all past Bean Bays
    Dug this out of a google search: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/attachments/CS_Wiki_27-11-08.txt

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 2C2A3D362C2B3331580 link=1297765982/3#3 date=1297769581
    Thanks KK, how about you just summarise it in a post and it gets made a sticky 8-)

    Oh wait, SS is putting it in a website, got the URL for that yet SS? ;D

    patient? who me? :-[

    If you ask Andy nicely he may have all the bean taste descriptions stored on his computer

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Actually.... ::)

    If you head into the Knock Box, thats where Andy relocates all expired BeanBay events including the cupping notes. From this post forward cupping notes became the norm.... http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1192525322 but before that - nada.... ;)

    Mal.

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B56525E533F0 link=1297765982/6#6 date=1297777753
    Actually.... Roll Eyes

    I was really hoping you had the answer when I saw the rolling eyes :(

    I have looked through the cupping and blending threads and whilst some of them have hints at the information I was after, it is too hard for someone of my knowledge level to put the pieces together.

    You see comments like "Guatemalan for mouth feel", add some "Columbian for hazelnut and caramel" but I have no idea if they are correct generalisations (if they can exist).

    Actually something like this (if the link is allowed)
    http://www.suite101.com/content/coffee-bean-varieties-worldwide-a37015

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    I think the following link will be of interest to you trentski. Youll need to scroll down to the "navigating origins" section

    http://www.roastmagazine.com/education/roasting101/

    Enjoy it for what it is.

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Thanks Dennis, a lot of good stuff in there 8-)

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C6A7D766C6B7371180 link=1297765982/9#9 date=1297915487
    Thanks Dennis, a lot of good stuff in there
    +1, excellent Dennis

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 7750545B6A77505447350 link=1297765982/10#10 date=1297919125
    Quote Originally Posted by 6C6A7D766C6B7371180 link=1297765982/9#9 date=1297915487
    Thanks Dennis, a lot of good stuff in there
    +1, excellent Dennis
    Youre welcome. :)

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 7066636372707C75757676130 link=1297765982/8#8 date=1297907821
    Enjoy it for what it is.
    Sorry Dennis... scores a -1 from me and I suspect it scored similar from you with the above comment.

    Glossy marketing generalizations wrapped to look like verbatim, cast in stone information makes me shudder and just keeps the myth alive that countries have a profile.

    One of my pet coffee hates is quotes like:
    Quote Originally Posted by 6761767D6760787A130 link=1297765982/7#7 date=1297904485
    "Columbian for hazelnut and caramel"
    I might have found 10 different countries beans that give that with some good roasting and 100 Colombian farms that dont.

    People really have to take each bean as its own flavour journey and try and keep away from the idea that countries have a taste.

    Farms and farmers produce coffee, not countries.

    For giggles, Ill line-up 5 coffees from a single country one day for others to cup, you would be surprised just how different they can be.

    There is some great origin information in that link but please skim over the flavour generalisations.

    [Andy steps off the rant milk crate and goes back to bagging beans with a unique profile]

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Im not surprised by your comments Andy, and I probably have as much interest as you in where beans come from as opposed to how they taste.

    And yes, yes, we all know that the same coffee can be roasted with vastly different outcomes.

    There is a slight contradiction in all this though. I understand you have a preference for Africans, while I dislike most Indos.

    Another fun experiment would be to cup 5 coffees from different parts of the World, and ask which is preferred. Mix it up, repeat the process, and see how often indvidual tastes continue to pick out a coffee from the same region.

    Like I said, enjoy it for what it is.

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    I agree with Andy that the background info about regions is interesting and you need to be guided rather than ruled by the roasting and cupping info (and even be prepared to disagree with it). But Im glad Den posted it - it is good reading.

    Some of it is correct from my point of view at least, such as Ethiopian Harrar having blueberry notes and benefiting from the roast being stopped at, or just before second crack.

    Id love to see a cupping showdown among the more experienced and knowledgeable roasters here. Id pay good money for that.

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 68474D50290 link=1297765982/12#12 date=1297937164
    Sorry Dennis... scores a -1 from me and I suspect it scored similar from you with the above comment.

    Glossy marketing generalizations wrapped to look like verbatim, cast in stone information makes me shudder and just keeps the myth alive that countries have a profile.
    I see your point Andy, but Im not sure that many people would see these opinions as anything but the opinions of the people who contributed the various articles to the magazine. I see generalisations about Hunter Valley, or Barossa Valley or even Australian Wine, but donít expect every wine from these regions to taste the same because of these generalisations, Iíd be very disappointed if they did.


    For those of us just starting our roasting journey any information is welcome and adds to our knowledge base, and if it is enjoyable to read that is even better.

    I have enjoyed what I have read, and will continue to read these articles (for what they are worth).

    Andy, your opinion will help me assign worth values to what I read from this source.

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F45504747485C5A290 link=1297765982/14#14 date=1297977106
    Id love to see a cupping showdown among the more experienced and knowledgeable roasters here. Id pay good money for that.
    Double-blind :).

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    There was a fairly heated debate on HB a while back with a notable person giving out advice along the lines of a blend of XYZ country of origons makes a "breakfast blend" when questioned about which particular beans he tried to explain that countries have a flavour profile??? and then on it went. To me this is a throwback to a time that has gone and past and more particular to the USA.

    Roast and taste lots of variation and make up your own mind what flavours you like.

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 5671757A4B56717566140 link=1297765982/15#15 date=1297998883
    I see generalisations about Hunter Valley, or Barossa Valley or even Australian Wine, but donít expect every wine from these regions to taste the same
    Thats my point, what we often see on CS is someone asking:
    "What does Australian wine taste like?"

    Yes read those generalisations for entertainment but please give them zero weight, they really are silly.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7761646475777B72727171140 link=1297765982/13#13 date=1297972676
    I understand you have a preference for Africans,
    On average, I have a bias towards Africans but not because all African coffee taste like "bananas" but because on average I find far more interesting coffees with unique attributes from that continent than any other.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7671757A72786D7D7A73140 link=1297765982/16#16 date=1298030322
    and more particular to the USA
    ...ergo my spelling in my rant...

    Quote Originally Posted by 557A706D140 link=1297765982/12#12 date=1297937164
    generalizations
    a tad subtle I know.
    :)


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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 6748425F260 link=1297765982/17#17 date=1298033381
    cuppacoffee wrote on Yesterday at 06:57:

    I understand you have a preference for Africans,

    On average, I have a bias towards Africans but not because all African coffee taste like "bananas"
    Its all in the preparation Andy: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/YaBB.pl?num=1297671782/14

    ;D ;D ;D

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    yep, that selection of descriptor was intentional too.

    (I expected Di to bite before you)
    ;D

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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

    Quote Originally Posted by 0C2329344D0 link=1297765983/17#17 date=1298033381
    on average I find far more interesting coffees with unique attributes from that continent than any other.
    Well, Ill bite at this too, because to me, that almost sounds like a summary of bean flavours. :)

    Can I probe a bit? Are you able to provide a little more info about what makes the Africans more interesting with unique attributes? On the other end of the scale are there continents where you find most coffees uninteresting and common?

    Perhaps those questions dont really need to be answered, though Im sure you can see where Im going with that train of thought.


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    Re: Summary of typical bean flavours

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    I roasted 600g of Ethiopian Gambella Sundried today, but I dont get the characteristic banana flavour I expected from African beans? Oh well out with the yellow Quik again ;D.



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