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Thread: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

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    Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

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    Yes, Im new to these pages and the prosumer world of home coffee.

    I mentioned today to somebody in the coffee industry that I used Lavazza coffee beans. At the mention of this he held up his fingers in the sign of the cross and ran away chanting, "Unclean, unclean".

    Maybe I exaggerate a little but the horror was real.

    Seriously, what was he objecting so strongly to? He mentioned freshness and that he would _never_ put such beans in his grinder or coffee machine.

    Could somebody explain to this novice?

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    there not highly regarded..... often old and not fresh.

    whats the roasted on date on the bag your using right now? (not the use by date)

    maybe go get a kilo of fresh beans from a good (better?) roaster, clean your grinder, machine and equipment and try that kilo and se what you think...

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Welcome to CS,

    Something I learnt a while ago,

    Everybody has their own opinions to which they are entitled, but it doesnt mean to say they are right.... ;)

    If you like Lavazza, then keep with it.. :)

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Hi GP and welcome,

    Drop in to your local sponsor with some of yours and then try some of theirs against them.

    To me, they taste like Id imagine Drano would!

    Chris

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2F232A27272E420 link=1308712427/1#1 date=1308712866
    whats the roasted on date on the bag your using right now?
    Roasted date is not specifically marked as such but there are a couple of codes. e.g:

    6730/12/06
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    AP15GX

    Heres a problem for mystery solvers :-)

    Gp

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    you can start to see why its not well regarded....

    for the average worker in a coffee shop how do they know which one to use first etc

    how does the boss know (with ease) if the coffee is fresh...

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    looks like December 06 to me.

    biggest issue with their beans is that they are stale. ideally you want to be using beans within 3-4weeks of their roasted on date. Looks like you are a few years past that with those ones.

    get some fresh beans and be amazed with the difference 8-)

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Question - do you use the Lavazza bought from the Supermarket, or Lavazza bought from a Cafe that uses it to make coffee from?

    If its supermarket bought, most (ie; 99%) of coffee beans on the shelf at a Chain Supermarket are stale from sitting on the shelf. They tend to package these things up overseas, have the shipping time, then put them on the shelf with the older stock up the front, as is standard practise, so youre looking at a minimum of probably 3-6 months at least from roast date to putting it in your grinder.

    The optimum time for roasted beans is between 7-21 days or thereabouts and after around the 21 day mark, they start going stale (and staler, and staler) so you can imagine how stale it would be and taste by the time you opened a bag.

    Harking back to my old days of using - and swearing by - Lavazza that I bought from Woolworths, it really doesnt have a smidge on the strength and taste of freshly roasted beans. I used to like the Lavazza particularly because it was milder - in hindsight that was because it washed away the "stale flavour" somewhat.

    If you try freshly roasted beans, for a start you might find the flavour quite diferent and the impact a bit overwhelming for a start but give it a week or two and your palate starts to adjust to the flavour intensity and you start to taste the difference. Then, just out of curiousity, put some of the Lavazza back in your grinder and make a coffee out of those beans again and youll wonder how you ever drank it.

    Also, something to keep in mind - it generally costs around $30.00 or so for Lavazza from the Supermarket. You can buy 1kg of freshly roasted beans from a Sponsor (preferred) or local coffee roastery for a similar amount and youre getting beautiful, fresh syrupy goodness in your cup.

    Or learn to roast your own and only pay around $25.00 or so 2.5kg of green beans that you can roast to your own tastebuds and as much or as little as you need.

    Cheers
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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Hi Gp & welcome to CS. The above posts certainly sum up the general consensus and I must agree. I also would say that Lavazza was my favourite bean before I became educated in what a difference a little effort and time can make. If you are happy with it by all means enjoy it but as suggested try fresh beans from a reputable roaster or better from a sponsor or CS itself. But be WARNED............once you experience the potential of fresh roasted beans there is generally no way out or back.

    Steve :D

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 2D04080609610 link=1308712427/2#2 date=1308712984
    If you like Lavazza, then keep with it..* :)
    What, and not expand ones horizons.... ::) ;)

    Mal.

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    In my days of innocence (ignorance) I quickly worked out that Lavazza were the best of the supermarket offerings. I smile when I remember promoting Lavazza to my even more ignorant friends. I have to say I was happy to brew it up in a dripolator or plunger but as soon as I bought the Diadema and ran the first load of quality beans through it the Lavazza went in the bin.

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5F786E7C64170 link=1308712427/7#7 date=1308727956
    Also, something to keep in mind - it generally costs around $30.00 or so for Lavazza from the Supermarket.* You can buy 1kg of freshly roasted beans from a Sponsor (preferred) or local coffee roastery for a similar amount and youre getting beautiful, fresh syrupy goodness in your cup.
    This is what amazes me the most. whether you buy freshly roasted beans or buy supermarket coffee, the per kg price is very similar!!!! What a rort.

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 14393D313C500 link=1308712427/9#9 date=1308732961
    Quote Originally Posted by 2D04080609610 link=1308712427/2#2 date=1308712984
    If you like Lavazza, then keep with it..* :)
    What, and not expand ones horizons.... ::) ;)

    Mal.

    Hahaha all for it.... ;D

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    At the risk of being accused of Heresy depending on the local available options you can do a lot worse than Lavazza Gold even if it is preground. :o

    When you live in the country and are drinking Plunger or Drip Coffee it has been one of the better tasting options available in most Supermarkets. On an extended trip up the Birdsville Track and down through the West of NSW it was a welcoming sight on the shelves of the Innamincka store after being on Nescrappy for 5 days.

    Would I use it locally now NO.

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Hi Gp
    For nearly 20 years I put Lavazza, Sao, Kimbo, Mauro - basically any Italian bean through my machine, thinking they were it.
    Then I discovered local roasters online, then a chance siting of green beans on a auction site started what I have continued for the past 6 years.

    RYO is best IMHO, but in the end if youre happy with what you have, then stay with it.

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    the difference between education and teaching?

    Education comes from within.

    I used to think nespresso was good.

    now my nespresso machine sits in the corner unused and unloved.

    some things you just have to work out for yourself.

    McDonalds is quite popular and a lot of people must "like" it.

    how many of these people have eaten a meal prepared by a talented cook with a good recipe I have no idea.

    Is McDonalds the finest of dining experiences possible?

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Thanks all so much for your replies, and if anybody else has a comment I would be glad to hear it.

    I am prepared for the machine upgrade path but hadnt really considered that there is a path of development just for the beans. I guess that makes sense when I think about it. I just hadnt thought about it.

    I shall definitely take the advice offered and study forum comments and try beans from CS sponsors and look forward to enhanced enjoyment of my daily brew.

    Gp

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Good to hear Gp. It has often been said here that you can make a decent cup with a cheap plunger or pou over if you have good beans but the best espresso machine cannot turn stale crap beans into good coffee. Garbage in equals garbage out. ;)

    Steve. :)

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    If you love fresh locally roasted coffee with great flavour and aroma......everything is wrong with it.

    If you love stale old imported coffee with little flavour and stale aroma.......nothing is wrong with it. ;D

    Quote Originally Posted by 686F6B646C667363646D0A0 link=1308712427/13#13 date=1308738929
    At the risk of being accused of Heresy depending on the local available options you can do a lot worse than Lavazza Gold even if it is preground.
    Order online.......its worth it!

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 213E393A33253E3922373A392033560 link=1308712427/18#18 date=1309331465
    Order online.......its worth it!
    Please dont selectively quote me. If you NEED a coffee and thats whats available then compared to Vittoria (as promoted by that noted actor ::)) and similar muck it is an improvement. Not everyone has a grinder and or the time to wait (lack of planning/knowledge) to order online and or roast there own.

    There are times when us snobs need to see things from an entry point and not what is ideal.

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Ive heard using pressurised portafilters, old preground coffee isnt as big an issue.

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 585F4C5F485B5D5F5153545D3A0 link=1308712427/20#20 date=1309398686
    Ive heard using pressurised portafilters, old preground coffee isnt as big an issue
    The pressurised portafilters can create faux crema from old preground coffee but they cant fix the taste.

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C6B786B7C6F696B656760690E0 link=1308712427/20#20 date=1309398686
    Ive heard using pressurised portafilters, old preground coffee isnt as big an issue.

    Its smoke and mirrors.

    You cant make a silk purse form a Sows ear ;)

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Or strawberry jam from pig stuff ;D ;). You may be able to get the texture, aroma & colour but the taste........Thats the hard part :) :)

    Steve

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    Quote Originally Posted by 5255515E565C49595E57300 link=1308712427/19#19 date=1309339916
    Please dont selectively quote me.
    Sorry...... I will refrain from selective quoting from now on.... :o

    But ordering online IS a great way to easily get fresh coffee!! ;D

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    Re: Whats Wrong With Lavazza Coffee?

    As a noob in the coffee arena, I have been on Lavazza for a little bit which I found nice (major upgrade from instant) but have been having forte from bay beans the last week and a bit, no comparison!!! Will be looking to get some from the sponsors here to find my preferred fresh roasted beans

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamika View Post
    from my point of view you should use another lavazza intake packet and cross check with the bad one.

    And maybe then interlace that with a diagonal counter-rabbit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    And maybe then interlace that with a diagonal counter-rabbit?

    That'd probably do it.

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    Lavazza beans are ok in an emergency and always better than pod or instant coffee.

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    I actually like the green pack of Lavazza when im too lazy to roast
    tastebuds in my butt some morning, yeah maybe, but at least it taught me to appreciate the fresher stuff,
    sometimes it does actually help to reset your tasty buds :P
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    The stuff hasn't improved since the OP in 2011.

    Strange how these old threads come back to life.
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    Something that came out of this thread for me is that it is a really good idea to try something completely different every now and then as it a great 'reset' for your palate.
    I like to do a bottle of young fruity red every few bottles of quality aged red - gives the palate a gee-up!
    Likewise with bean. Even if you are drinking the best your palate gets jaded and you fail to appreciate it. Nothing like a (small preferably) bag of Merlo or something similar to make you appreciate a bag of quality bean.
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    I can't help feeling your comment is a little tongue-in-cheek Rocky. However, it is a sentiment shared by James Hoffman. His principle is don't seek out bad flavours but don't turn them down either. Helps you appreciate the good stuff. https://youtu.be/tU1y7hBSgiY
    I suppose it depends how often you get offered it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by level3ninja View Post
    I can't help feeling your comment is a little tongue-in-cheek Rocky.
    Not at all, I have always maintained that if you only ever experience the best of anything it quickly becomes the norm.

    A regular diet of good allows us to marvel at exceptional whenever we experience it.

    And of course, as Rocky says, delving into the ordinary now and again certainly gives a greater appreciation of quality.
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    It's a bit of a metaphor for life, really.
    Easy to be so blase about our good lives until you see someone who has really had a bad trot and you have a bit of a reassessment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sullo View Post
    I actually like the green pack of Lavazza when im too lazy to roast
    It's been more than a decade since my 'end of innocence' but there's one Lavazza product which I still love for my moka pot - Crema e Gusto.

    Worst, they sell it only pre-ground. I don't know what black magic they run on it, I usually can get only 3-4 month old packs, but to me it tastes lovely as a moka pot cappuccino with sugar added for good measure. It's a classic 2nd wave taste - very dark roast, most likely blended with Robusta but nonetheless a very nostalgic taste for me.

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    Don't need cheap beans. My barista skills allow me to renew my appreciation for fine coffee with borderline sink shots finessed from premium beans.
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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Lately I've been alternating the CS Ethiopian Sidamo Ardi Naturals with bags of WOW.
    This works well for me because they are very different tasting high quality coffee and just when the novelty of the lighter more citrus Ethiopian is wearing off I go to something different.
    By the time my palate is becoming complacent about the richness of the WOW it gets hit with the freshness of the Ethiopian again.
    Even my non-CS Son who joins me for home-made coffee on weekends comments on the pleasant contrast of the two beans.
    It is like wine drinking. The contrasts between varieties and Makers is where the interest lies.
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