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    Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I was in Vietnam recently and took this opportunity to try their weasel coffee.

    I don’t know what to think - I went to a number of reputable chains, as well as local businesses. I noticed the roasted beans had a nicer scent compared to the other beans that were on offer. The results were good, but it didnt make me say WOW!

    The thing I don’t understand is that this type of coffee seems to be everywhere – which leads me to believe that it’s not actually pooped out of an animal.

    Anyways, I managed to find some green beans and I was curious to see if I could do better. The problem is, I don’t know what the green bean is supposed to look like and dont actually know if Ive been duped.

    Does anyone have experience in this area?



    Different bean shapes and sizes :-/


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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Where to begin? I know where to finish... that is the worst green coffee I have ever seen. I use to buy sweep that was recovered from warehouse floors and tractor trailers and it look so much better than that.. to the point that what you show here is barely recognizable as coffee.

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 182B242E33150D644A0 link=1323151256/1#1 date=1323151820
    is barely recognizable as coffee
    is has supposedly been pooped out of an animals backside... that would be enough to make me barely recognizable as well... anyone have pictures of green Kopi Luwak or whatever its called to compare?

    It does look a bit like pistachios, peanuts, and rabbit droppings... Or a bit like this.

    Quote Originally Posted by 393A2F29232B263A2B243E394A0 link=1323151256/0#0 date=1323151256
    Does anyone have experience in this area?
    sorry Im opening my mouth without being able to help again!

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 5951595E5452300 link=1323151256/2#2 date=1323152645
    anyone have pictures of green Kopi Luwak or whatever its called to compare?
    I took this photo a few months ago, prior to processing.......no pun intended ;D


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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    hmmm... interesting.

    At least they look like green beans I had a laugh.

    A couple of things that confuse me about my one:
    1) Looks like they were roasted and dropped well before first crack, although there is an occasional bean that is still green.
    2) different shapes and sizes - perhaps its blended with other weird beans

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    specialpants, Im not entirely convinced that your beans are roasted.

    Just as a comparison, compare the colour of yours to my Monsoon Malibar.
    You might find that the colour is down to the processing.


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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Cheers for the upload. Whats strange for me is that the colour isnt really consistent.

    I just did a quick roast and took some photos. Cracking noises were all over the shop. Not too much chaff. It hit rolling second crack in the very early stages of cooling.







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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    AH! I tried this coffee a few months back! Cant recall which SE Asian country it came from but I recall it being pooped out of a cat (or maybe Civet?). Unfortunately I cant really tell you its true taste because the person who made it for me mixed it with Baileys* Sad You had to get your head around its somewhat unorthodox bean process* Grin Gosh could you imagine being the one recovering the beans?! It could be why it has such a high price tag!$50 per cup in some places?!!! Heard this kind of coffee was a growing thing in New York as well.

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 77444B415C7A620B250 link=1323151256/1#1 date=1323151820
    that is the worst green coffee I have ever seen
    You should see the PNG Eastern Highlands Wild
    http://beanbay.coffeesnobs.com.au/ViewProduct.aspx/491-png-eastern-highland-wilds ;D

    The Weasel coffee you get now is nothing like the original "wild" Kopi Luwak. Once upon a time the Weasels ran free and only ate the coffee beans when they were at their peak, or so the legend goes. Now they are kept in cages and fed all sorts of rubbish beans and as a result the coffee is average......

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 3234232832352D2F460 link=1323151256/8#8 date=1323171330
    Once upon a time the Weasels ran free and only ate the coffee beans when they were at their peak, or so the legend goes. Now they are kept in cages and fed all sorts of rubbish beans and as a result the coffee is average......

    That would make so much sense to me since it is such lucrative business in such a poor country. Technically still Kopi Luwak.

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 7D7B6C677D7A6260090 link=1323151256/8#8 date=1323171330
    Now they are kept in cages and fed all sorts of rubbish beans and as a result the coffee is average......
    Sadly Trentski you are right.

    I have visited several farms that keep the Civets in very small cages and feed them less than the best beans. Its very sad for the animals and defeats the idea of the animals selecting the "best fruit".

    All very romantic until money is involved.

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Had no idea the Civets were kept in rough conditions! Would hate to be fed caffine all day and not be able to burn it off* :D I thought that the coffee had such a high price tag because it the animals were free range.

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 777E602524140 link=1323151256/10#10 date=1323209717
    I have visited several farms that keep the Civets in very small cages and feed them less than the best beans
    Youve visited my offices then ;D

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Quote Originally Posted by 4B4058434444210 link=1323151256/12#12 date=1323267122
    Youve visited my offices then
    The newest thing in coffee.........Kopi JayBee :D

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Last time I was in Indonesia I was offered kopi luwak by a farmer, he finds it lying around the farm, so not ALL of it comes from animals in cages.* I suspected that AQIS might try to do something dreadful (fumigation at vast expense) if I tried to bring it into the country un-roasted so I declined the offer.* *The kopi luwak that I did try there (commercially sourced, the farmers thought that drinking the stuff was a stupid idea) was uniformly dreadful.

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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    I came across real weasel coffee while holidaying in Vietnam in February 2012.
    I was in the Dalat area which has many coffee plantations up in the mountains in its Lam Dong province.* We befriended the owner of the hotel where we stayed, and over coffee conversations she (the hotel owner) learned that I love my coffee and am a keen home roaster. So she introduced me to her good friends who are coffee farm owners. The coffee farm owners generously invited us on a personal tour to visit their coffee farm in Lam Dong. They mentioned the authentic weasel coffee which they produce in very small amount each year. Having heard so much about the mythical weasel coffee (sampled it once in a cafe in Australia) and seen much artificial weasel coffee around the Vietnamese markets, I jumped at the chance to see the real thing.
    The scenic drive thru the Lam Dong area has endless hills of coffee plantations on both sides of the rough narrow country road. Each farm would have coffee beans laid out sundried at the front. According to the signs on coffee tree lots, it looked like the lower areas have Robusta trees, and the higher mountain areas tend to have Moka Arabica trees.
    At the weasel coffee farm, bamboo trays of weasel coffee (still in its weasel droppings form) are laid out in the front patio to sun dry. The droppings consisted of coffee beans clumped together. The cherry pulp had been removed by the weasel digestion process. Note that each bean is still inside its parchment. I could easily break off a bean and crush/rub the parchment off by hand to produce a clean looking green bean (i.e. no visual defects). Once completely dry, the droppings are then put through a machine to be scrubbed clean. I was told the Robusta also goes through a wash process before being scrubbed.
    We were shown inside one of the rooms where the weasels are kept and workers were transferring the droppings from the metal trays below the cages to the bamboo tray for sun-drying. The weasels are fed hand-picked ripe berries in bowls where they can select the better cherries.
    We had several tasting sessions of both weasel Robusta and Arabica coffee over several days. The roasted coffee came in pre-ground vacuum sealed sample packs of 100gm each. A sample pack can be purchased at the coffee farm for $10 (Robusta) or $15 (Arabica).* The coffee was made using the Vietnamese drip filter.

    Tasting notes from a novice cupper:
    The Robusta had a bold full body (another novice coffee drinker in the group mentioned the word “syrupy”), strong dark chocolate taste with a real kick and typical Robusta “burnt rubber” aroma. It was not very pleasant as a straight black; however I think it was smoother without the tobacco hardness I often taste in normal Robusta. Not sure if the smooth character is attributed to the coffee crop quality or the weasel digestion process. This better suited the locals’ palate because the strong taste stands up well against ice, sugar and/or condensed milk. Condensed milk combined with Robusta coffee makes an addictive sweet nougat-like white Vietnamese coffee.
    The Arabica had a noticeably thinner body. The taste and aroma were predominantly nutty and dark chocolate. I could not pick up any other aromas and this could be due to many factors; however I suspect the coffee being pre-ground and the very dark roast (the master roaster confirmed the beans are roasted into second crack, though I could not confirm how far into second crack) would help destroy any floral characters in the coffee. The aftertaste indicated a pleasant, bright but smooth lingering acidity that reminds me of the aftertaste of eating ripe strawberries (also abundant in Dalat area). I thought it was surprisingly nice although it did not suite the local s’ palate. They said it was “sour” and the master roaster confirmed he had to make it less “sour”. I suspect that is another reason for the very dark roast.
    I wished I had my little set up on hand to try different roasts of the coffee and different espresso based coffees.

    Bringing weasel coffee into Australia:
    Before taking your trip, you must apply and pay associated fees to be granted an import permit from DAFF (Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry) Biosecurity before you are allowed to carry weasel coffee (whether green or roasted) into Australia as part of a passenger’s luggage.
    Without the import permit the weasel coffee will be confiscated and destroyed.

    Weasel Coffee Contacts:
    The coffee farm owners are looking for import agents for the weasel coffee.* If you are interested in contacting them or the hotel that can help arranging the coffee farm tour then please PM me.


    Photos of coffee farm with sun dried coffee:



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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    Sun dried weasel coffee:




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    Hand picked ripe robusta cherries to be fed to weasels






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    Captive bred coffee producing weasels




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    Collecting and sorting weasel coffee:




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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    How is this appetising to anybody? Like the comments earlier on, the captivity and force feeding of these poor animals defeats the purpose of the supposed premium selection process of the best cherries by the animals in the wild. By the looks of the photos, they look less than best had been picked by the captors.
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    Re: Vietnamese Weasel Coffee

    The Trung Ngyuen coffee chain in Vietnam has created an artificial version of this by treating the beans with a patented enzyme that supposedly does the same thing to the coffee in terms of flavour. Ive tried that and it adds a caramel note to the coffee. Its nice but not anything miraculous. I certainly wouldnt be bothered paying a premium to drink the real deal. Coffees got a good flavour all on its own, why the need to pass it through the intestinal tract of a small mammal? Im going to do that myself.

    I rather suspect its cult status has something to do with some suppposed health benefit. Like ingesting rhino horns or whatever... ::) Honestly we should just enjoy the beans off the bush. I could always try feeding my greens to my persian cats, then fishing them out of the litter pan. Anyone want to try?.... ;D

    Anyway the t**d photo just turned me off peanuts and date rolls for life. :-X

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    Quote Originally Posted by specialpants View Post
    I was in Vietnam recently and took this opportunity to try their weasel coffee.

    I don’t know what to think - I went to a number of reputable chains, as well as local businesses. I noticed the roasted beans had a nicer scent compared to the other beans that were on offer. The results were good, but it didnt make me say WOW!

    The thing I don’t understand is that this type of coffee seems to be everywhere – which leads me to believe that it’s not actually pooped out of an animal.

    Anyways, I managed to find some green beans and I was curious to see if I could do better. The problem is, I don’t know what the green bean is supposed to look like and dont actually know if Ive been duped.

    Does anyone have experience in this area?



    Different bean shapes and sizes :-/


    Rock... or fossilised poo* ;D
    Hi, the beans you received is the peaberry coffee beans, you can read more of it on this website: Dalat Coffee. The Weasel coffee are the coffee beans which are roasted from the "product" of the weasel or civet after they ate the riped coffee berries. Since the coffee beans passed through a process in the stomach of the animal, the natural quality of the beans are enhanced. So, we can have the Weasel Robusta coffee bean or Weasel Arabica Coffee bean, it depends on the coffee berries that the animal had eaten before. For more information, you can check in this website: VIETNAMESE WEASEL COFFEE. Thank you!

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    I was given some weasel coffee yesterday by a student. A lovely, thoughtful gesture. Brought back from their holiday. As I took the coffee, Mum delicately asked me if I knew about the process, and I said I did, and that I was comfortable with it.

    But in my head, as I held the packet, feeling its spongy resistance, I was thinking "ewwwww....




    pre- ground."
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    Can't say I would be comfortable consuming the coffee after seeing the photos above (nor can I unsee them now, although I wish I could).

    But what makes me even more uncomfortable is seing the little guys looking depressed in those small cages and the girls (some looking like children) having to dig through s&!^ to sort out the coffee. God knows what harmfull bacteria they can pick up from that.

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    Too true. I'll clarify that the aspect I was comfortable with, was drinking the coffee that's passed through the weasel's digestive system. The photos sure do illustrate a pretty shameful situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roburu View Post
    But what makes me even more uncomfortable is seing the little guys looking depressed in those small cages and the girls (some looking like children) having to dig through s&!^ to sort out the coffee. God knows what harmfull bacteria they can pick up from that.
    How about SARS: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/blending-r...tml#post319303


    Java "You want me to dig through what?!?" phile
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    Quote Originally Posted by ppdo View Post
    Bringing weasel coffee into Australia:
    Before taking your trip, you must apply and pay associated fees to be granted an import permit from DAFF (Department of Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry) Biosecurity before you are allowed to carry weasel coffee (whether green or roasted) into Australia as part of a passenger’s luggage.
    Without the import permit the weasel coffee will be confiscated and destroyed.
    Just a quick update on the importation of weasel coffee without any licence:

    The rules are now.
    1. Up to 1kg.
    2. Must be roasted.
    3. For personal use and not for resale.
    4. Sealed bags and not contaminated.

    The quarantine guy, who dealt with my declaration this morning, never even looked at the bag, so I guess it's a commonly imported item.
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    Still ethically bad coffee
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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    Still ethically bad coffee
    Yep! the practice is unconscionable on a number of levels.
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    This stuff would have to be spectacular for me to even consider trying it, and I doubt it is spectacular.
    1st-world wankerage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tiddler2 View Post
    Just a quick update on the importation of weasel coffee without any licence:

    The rules are now.
    1. Up to 1kg.
    2. Must be roasted.
    3. For personal use and not for resale.
    4. Sealed bags and not contaminated.

    The quarantine guy, who dealt with my declaration this morning, never even looked at the bag, so I guess it's a commonly imported item.

    Up till recently, anything that had been passed through the digestive tract of a critter was a banned import, even after roasting.
    This month the Department of Ag and Water (was AQIS, then DAFF now called DAWR) has changed the rules to allow Palm Civet Cat coffee...



    Case: Coffee for processing or human consumption Effective: 06 Apr 2017

    This case contains a number of different import scenarios with associated import conditions. You can refine the import scenarios by answering the questions below.form: evaluate question
    Has the coffee bean undergone partial digestion through the alimentary tract of an approved animal?


    Palm civet cats are the only animal approved by the Department of Agriculture and Water Resources for this process.
    Coffee bean products that have been partially digested by animals other than palm civet cats (e.g. jacu birds or elephants) must be assessed by Animal Biosecurity prior to importation. For more information, please contact the Import Services Team.



    While it is now an allowed import (as mentioned above) caged animals force-fed low grade coffee cherry is hardly a nice industry on many levels... which is why CoffeeSnobs won't ever sell the beans.

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    Bad for the animals

    Bad for our ethics

    Bad taste

    Just downright Bad all-round

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post

    While it is now an allowed import (as mentioned above) caged animals force-fed low grade coffee cherry is hardly a nice industry on many levels... which is why CoffeeSnobs won't ever sell the beans.
    Absolutely....the foie gras of coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Absolutely....the foie gras of coffee.
    Well said - I'm going to use that from now on whenever anybody asks me about it.

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    Without wishing to affect the route of the 'outrage bus', I was merely correcting the outdated information regarding it's importation. As always, it is a personal decision as to what you buy and where you buy it. If it offends your sensibilities to buy this item, then don't buy it. (Just like importing stuff from overseas)

    As for the change Andy quoted on the 6 Apr 17, I checked the website way before that and it was ok to import it.

    In fact further checking found that the rules changed on the 10 Sep 2012, hardly recently!
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    I wasn't aware that the rule changed that long ago, certainly this time last year my green bean import permits were still showing it as a banned item.

    I'm not too sure anyone was on the outrage bus but just voicing our own stance on the subject. It's an odd beast, everyone asks if you have tried it when you tell them you are in the industry (BTW the answer is yes, I've had it multiple times from confirmed sources that were picking wild/natural Luwak poo). I don't have a problem with people drinking it, I just hope it doesn't come from caged animals and also hope that others ask that question.

    Personally, I rank it pretty close to Rhino horn and Tiger penis... but I never need to know what they are like.
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    I have to say you are a long way down the coffee path when you come to the conclusion that the best way to make a an espresso is using beans you picked up out of elephant/civet/weasel sh!t.

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    Along the same line of thought.. who was the first person to think that it would be a good idea to milk a cow and drink what came out? It seems natural to us now, if you like your lattes.

    Andy, I think that the rules regarding importation for commercial purposes are still very strict and need licences, but for personal use, it's more relaxed. (and it wasn't as good as my home roasted Peru, I may have to try eating it first and seeing whether the cupping notes are improved.)

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    Not an outraged reaction, I don't give a toss if people chose to get their caffeine fix this way, more a regret that chasing after new ways to be a conspicuous consumer (wanker) leads to this sort of ill-treatment of any animal. Not a sandal wearing vegan either
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kjarsheim View Post
    Not an outraged reaction, I don't give a toss if people chose to get their caffeine fix this way, more a regret that chasing after new ways to be a conspicuous consumer (wanker) leads to this sort of ill-treatment of any animal. Not a sandal wearing vegan either
    One of the greatest indictments on Western society is that animal welfare is seen as a fringe, almost loony interest. IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    One of the greatest indictments on Western society is that animal welfare is seen as a fringe, almost loony interest. IMO.
    Not sure about it being limited to Western society Matt, I've witnessed appalling practices throughout SE Asia, and its considered quite normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Not sure about it being limited to Western society Matt, I've witnessed appalling practices throughout SE Asia, and its considered quite normal.
    Oh, absolutely - not saying it's limited to the west at all (this thread is an illustration of that!).

    But in the developed, capitalist West we are pretty good at rationalising cruelty on an industrial scale and for economic reasons.

    There's probably a thesis or two in the differences in the cultural, economic and socio-political landscapes of developed and developing countries and how that impacts treatment of animals. 🤔



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