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    Illy beans

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    I tried Illy coffee. Lovely and smooth - full flavoured.
    Make sure you get the beans, not the ground stuff. Grind fairly fine but not like talcum powder. Extract, perhaps, a lttle less than normal - say about 20mls. Dilute to taste.

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    Should beans be frozen or not?

    My view? - yes. People say "no way" but beans are like bread - its a cooked foodstuff. Dropping the temperature to the point that vapours dont escape makes sense. Like storing bread, keep in a hermetically sealed container. - Freezer burn can even occur with roasted beans. I grant you that this is not ideal - but leaving beans at room temperature (especially in Queensland...) degrades the flavour and aroma very rapidly.

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    Should a gropu head be heated?

    People constantly debate whether the group head should be kept hot, just prior to extraction. I suspect the answer has to be yes, otherwise the temperature of the hot water that filters through the coffee will drop - possibly to a significant extent. I dont suppose its that critical though.

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    Re: Illy beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 445F445B4144432D0 link=1331988567/2#2 date=1331988893
    People constantly debate whether the group head should be kept hot, just prior to extraction.,,,. I dont suppose its that critical though.
    You suppose wrong. Temperature control and stability as well as repeatability is critical to good espresso. Without that, how would you possibly know, when an extraction is good or bad, what the cause was? Qualtiy espresso is created by controlling as many variables as possible. That is the science of the thing. These controllable variables include things like:
    - water temperature at the coffee
    - water pressure at the coffee
    - coffee dose
    - coffee distribution
    - grind setting
    - coffee age
    - coffee roast level
    - coffee blend
    Even beginners in this pursuit can taste a change of two degrees in the brew temperature, and experienced users can taste a one degree change.

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    Re: Illy beans

    If you like that one, wait til you try freshly roasted high quality beans from any well known local roaster, I guarantee you will be blown away. Also a freshly roasted product will be likely to display noticeably (understatement) more character than a coffee that has been stored in a sealed container for an indefinite period.*

    You will also be able to extract a fresh roasted product into a longer pour eg a 30ml espresso if you wish ie, there will be more latitude in the way you will be able to appreciate the brew.

    Im guessing youve bought a 250 gram can of that coffee. Your comments re storing the beans once the package is open will be put to the test because my experience is once you open a hermetically sealed and gas flushed pack of aged coffee and expose it to the ambient air, the coffee degrades much more quickly than a freshly roasted purchase simply stored in a small* air tight container for your weeks use. Especially in areas of high humidity. I wouldnt buy any more than a weeks supply of fresh coffee otherwsie you are asking for it to degrade while it is in your care and not being used quickly enough.

    By the way if you are going to persevere with the above, the peelable soft plastic lid you get with the can* for "resealing" is inadequate and I would advise that once opened, the beans should be decanted into another proper air tight container.

    For the rest of it, Randy has summaried eloquently.

    Hope that helps.


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    Re: Illy beans

    I suspect this guy is a spammer all, but Andys tied up with CB2012 at the moment so probably wont have a chance to check it out for a while...

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    Re: Illy beans

    Quote Originally Posted by 654254465E2D0 link=1331988567/5#5 date=1332025664
    I suspect this guy is a spammer all, but Andys tied up with CB2012 at the moment so probably wont have a chance to check it out for a while...
    Agreed- 5 nothing posts in 5 minutes in random threads reeks of spam to me

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    Guys, keep in mind before someone jumps the gun he may just want to make some posts so he can post something for sale, but yes it is an odd way to go about it :-?

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    Re: Illy beans

    Rick, its lovely that you are giving him the benefit of the doubt, and he is welcome to come on here and defend himself between now and when Andy is next on, but as a mod, Ive seen a general pattern emerging with spammers nowdays - theyre getting a lot trickier with how they are operating in the past couple of months. Add that to the fact that, if he was doing it to post something for sale, he would have done it within a short timeframe of when hed got his fifth post.

    :)

    Its all in the pattern.

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    Re: Illy beans

    If it makes any difference I am 100% in agreement this is a spam topic from someone that works for the dot dot dot importer or selling agent.

    However if the idea of the spam is to get some free advertising for said product, there are some in here that are up to the task of debunking all the "positives" the spammer comes up with for his pet product, and it can be done nicely enough so anyone that starts to read how wonderful the product is at the top, will see below that there are other even more wonderful products that pale that one into insignificance.

    No?

    And of course, there is always the chance this is genuine and Ian will learn something and improve his knowledge by reading down.* Additionally if he is a spammer from some coffee agency,* he may even resign from his position and apply for a job with a specialty coffee roaster instead!*

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    yes, agreed Atillio, if thats all that it was. However, a lot of these spammers copy & paste their post from other posts in the past to hide who they are, go away for a couple of months to make themselves look legit and then jump back on and start posting links to handbag sites, shoe sites, enhancers, etc or, alternatively, put malicious links in their profiles. Unfortunately, we cant make that distinction all the time, so they all go regardless.

    Better to keep the legitimate members safe & spam free and get the odd, occasional nose out of joint, than to give spammers the benefit of the doubt and have a site that goes to pot for the sake of the odd occasional win, no? :D

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    Yeah Im happy for this and the other even more ridiculous thread to disappear into a puff of smoke.....was just playing the devils advocate.

    Now where is that link to the handbag site? Theres a wedding anniversay coming up and my wife would love one of those particularly a nice vinyl one.....hey did you all know that if you place 3 different origin* beans in a nice vinyl handbag and shake you get a .....really good blend :D

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    Re: Illy beans

    Do you know just how hard it is ignoring the handbag ones when youre a handbag addict? :D. My job as a mod just truly sucks, sometimes... ::)

    ;D


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    Re: Illy beans

    Anyone making designer handbags from jute coffee sacks? Could make millions, all I need is someone to promote it on some coffee forum.

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    Re: Illy beans

    Im reminded of an interview I read in a UK newspaper a few years ago with an author I despise, Sebastian Faulks. The sycophantic Guardian journalist commented on his coffee, which he noted the authors wife had said "has to be Illy" as if this was the height of discerning taste in coffee.

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    Re: Illy beans

    I was of the opinion that Folgers was considered the be all and end all of American pre packaged coffee. ;D ::)

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    Re: Illy beans

    I have more respect for people who drink International Roast with 4 sugars in than I do for anyone who falls for the its-expensive-and-comes-in-a-silver-tin marketing of Illy beans.

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    I think many of us used to think Illy was the paragon of coffee connoisseurship. Cmon man, if you are willing to pay the extortionate price for supermarket Illy it at least shows youre trying.

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    Re: Illy beans

    That spammer must be hurting now!

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    Re: Illy beans

    I bought Illy once...

    The tin is nice.

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    Illy .. seriously?

    I like the comparison bread analogy. Would take freshly baked bread from a local breadshop any day over quality imported bread in a tin.

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    Re: Illy beans

    you know Illy has really gone downhill in the past few years :P When I first had them (2005), it was the best coffee Id ever tasted. Bought the pre-ground to use in my old Sunbeam EM5800 and used to tell people how much better it was than the average cafe. Eventually stopped paying the exorbitant price they charge for it and went for locally roasted beans instead. Last time I used Illy beans I was amazed how bad the extraction was. Funny what giving your taste buds some time to develop an appreciation for fresh beans can do to your perception of Illy beans.

    However, they do have a reputation for being the best of the off-the-shelf pre-ground options. If it was possible to source Illy beans that were actually fresh (express posted fresh from Italy?) maybe they would actually be good??? Ill probably never know

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    Re: Illy beans

    Someone gave me an Illy tin a few years ago which I use to store my beans for a week or so instead of filling up the grinder hopper. It is not very airtight but I place a napkin under the lid so it forms a bit of a gasket.
    It seems to do the job for me.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    ....and breathes through the napkin

    A properly air tight container is best. Any screw top with a good seal, dare I say tuppa-wear, clip top jars, whatever. And of course only just big enough for the quantity of beans to be stored.



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