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    The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

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    I think I am now at the stage where I am happy with what I do, I am fussy enough that I rarely order coffee at cafes now unless I know of them from on here etc.
    I find that when you make non coffee snobs an espresso with the care and passion we all have, they really like it, they arent sure why, they just know its better than what they get in most shops. If you were to make them an espresso with supermarket beans in an auto machine they would probably still be happy enough.
    When we have people over the first thing I do is ask, do you have sugar in your coffee? If they answer is yes, then they dont get the good stuff ;D
    We had a friend from the school our kids go to come around for a coffee one morning, their comment on seeing the Expobar was "why didnt you buy an automatic", alrighty then, here we go. I served up a double shot espresso with some "wow, that milk turned out great". The only comment I got was "that was too strong", what can you do?

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 182723083B2B29214E0 link=1333722322/2#2 date=1333753346
    Ill use it for those guests who take two sugars with their coffee and reserve the Minore for me and the mrs.
    Are you suggesting that if you take sugar you cant be a coffeesnob?

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Whoops, I better hand in my mod shirt!!!* :D

    Cheers
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    (who has dropped around $10k over five years now on coffee equipment & paraphenalia, roasts her own coffee, owns coffee trees and still has two sugars in her latte!!!)

    (And I think people that like seafood and drink beer have their taste buds in their butts, but its all just a matter of individual tastes, eh?)

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 69607E3B3A0A0 link=1333722322/6#6 date=1333784500
    Quote Originally Posted by 182723083B2B29214E0 link=1333722322/2#2 date=1333753346
    Ill use it for those guests who take two sugars with their coffee and reserve the Minore for me and the mrs.
    Are you suggesting that if you take sugar you cant be a coffeesnob?
    Would you mix a fine scotch whiskey with Pepsi?
    Of course there is no right or wrong for sugar in coffee, its personal taste, just seems odd to me the lengths people go to for extracting all the delicate, subtle flavours coffee can have to cover them up with sugar.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 4E71755E6D7D7F77180 link=1333722322/8#8 date=1333799586
    Would you mix a fine scotch whiskey with Pepsi?
    Hmm, I think that analogy is not quite right. In any case, when I want to taste the delicate and subtle flavours and characteristics of the coffee beans I drink an espresso (usually the first shot of a new lot of beans,or as the fresh roasted beans mature Id take an espresso shot at different stages), but 1 out of 2 coffees I have is a latte and sometimes I have half a teaspoon of sugar with that.* I also find sometimes adding sugar to the latte also highlights certain characteristics of the beans.
    Some people are naturally sweet toothed but it doesnt mean they do not appreciate coffee.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    At the risk of being pummeled I have to agree with Vim.

    I consider two things

    1. All your tasting is the sugar. Its amazing when you go cold turkey on sugar and what it tastes like after say two weeks, personally tatstes disgusting.

    2. Most people have enough sugar in their diet without adding it to their drinks.

    P.s. Just got back from Italy and besides having some of the best and worst! coffee I have tasted several places put sugar in without asking!. Crazy Italians :D

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    Oh dear, here we go again with the sugar no sugar rubbish.
    Its been done countless times before, usually kicked off by some self righteous buffoon on a soap box declaring sugar is the great Satan, and all who use it are philistines who must be shown the error of their ways.
    Its a pointless argument, the person on the box needs to understand that many prefer sugar in their coffee, end of story, and no amount of lecturing/berating is going to change that fact.
    To be honest my feeling is that rightly or wrongly, the anti sugar people are the ones that are out of step with the community at large.
    Step down off your soap box and attempt to comprehend the fact that many of us prefer sugar with our coffee, yes, I know Ive repeated myself, but sometimes things need to be said more than once to have any chance of the message getting through. ;)

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Well said Jon, tastes are as individual as the human race, so it makes this a pointless arguement, sugar or no sugar, who cares, get back to more important things like drinking coffee the way you want, and not worry how others want to drink it.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Lets keep this civil and leave off the personal attacks shall we.


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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Sugar in the plunger coffee, no sugar in the espresso lattes.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    So my wife is a philistine ;D

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 795C4B54596A0C040B0D3D0 link=1333764368/10#10 date=1333881481
    So my wife is a philistine
    Interesting. Goliath was a Philistine and your name is David ;)

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Sugar / no-sugar debate...
    ...do whats right for you. I have always said "Ill have sugar and milk in bad coffee" but I also understand that many people just like it that way. Thats fine by me too.

    I must admit I do get a kick when a 2 sugar coffee drinker gets halfway through one of my coffees before they ask "does this have sugar?"
    8-)

    Quote Originally Posted by 7C6D7272693130080 link=1333764368/9#9 date=1333879256
    Sugar in the plunger coffee, no sugar in the espresso lattes
    Thats interesting. Most (as you can see above) are in the sugar or no-sugar camp.

    Have you tried a corser grind for your plunger and a shorter brew time before plunging? Maybe its the method thats making your plunger coffee more bitter and needing sugar?


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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 586763487B6B69610E0 link=1333764368/0#0 date=1333764367
    When we have people over the first thing I do is ask, do you have sugar in your coffee? If they answer is yes, then they dont get the good stuff* ;D
    Good on you!

    "The only comment I got was "that was too strong", what can you do?"

    If they think its too strong, theyre too weak ,- )

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    Quote Originally Posted by 272C362D37282A23440 link=1333764368/5#5 date=1333842100
    1. All your tasting is the sugar. Its amazing when you go cold turkey on sugar and what it tastes like after say two weeks, personally tatstes disgusting.
    Refined white which is what most people use doesnt actually impart taste as much as it does a sensation on your palate ie of the front of your tongue, just as acidity does the same thing to the sides of your tongue and bitterness the back of the tongue.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Surely true afficianados wouldnt do anything as unnatural as actually drying the berry, cooking it and forcing lots of quite hot water through it prior to consuming?
    To each their own I say (as a no sugar / yes milk (usually) man), the various forms of coffee are different drinks.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    There was a time when I took a couple of sugars in coffee. That was when I thought instant was OK.

    Now I have no instant and no sugar but a little milk in my macchiato.

    Barry.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 373D283F3F302422510 link=1333764368/11#11 date=1333884571
    Quote Originally Posted by 795C4B54596A0C040B0D3D0 link=1333764368/10#10 date=1333881481
    So my wife is a philistine
    Interesting. Goliath was a Philistine and your name is David* ;)
    Hahahahaha. Never thought of that!

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    No, its not "the good old sugar in coffee debate" at all....its "the silly and tired old sugar in coffee" debate.

    Technical correction required. No amount of milk or sugar can save a badly brewed or made coffee, or even a well brewed coffee made with for example, low quality beans, and in many instances will actually make it worse.

    This is a very silly topic pulling in the same old tired comments that in the end are not funny, and are still only anyones opinion having no basis on what is the correct(?????) thing to do or not. The correct thing to do, is to do whatever you want as long as it doesnt hurt or bother anyone else. Those that are bothered by other people putting sugar in coffee need to stop taking themselves so seriously and perhaps find a useful hobby to keep their minds otherwise occupied so they can think of some more important things in life.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    As this video shows, Italy must be a country of philistines.* *;)* Sugar is added without question.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Dq97OHWL3c&feature=relmfu

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 7A4E594F54637F535A5A59593C0 link=1333764368/18#18 date=1333929497
    Those that are bothered by other people putting sugar in coffee need to stop taking themselves so seriously and perhaps find a useful hobby to keep their minds otherwise occupied so they can think of some more important things in life.
    Erudite observations, its a human trait, fanatics seem compelled to convert others to their way of doing things, they just cant help themselves, bit like a moth to a flame. ;D

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    I had so many mixed reactions in Italy; big disappointment in Italy at Pompei when I ordered a macchiato from a Izzo Pompei (funny now that I think about it :)) and it was more sugar than coffee and the guy didnt even ask me whether I wanted any, on the other side of the spectrum I had the best coffee from Faeme Legend in Venice and kept going back again and again.

    P.s. to each his own whether they have sugar or not; I just look at it from more of a health prospective. If you cut out sugar here and there and your not worse off well I just think its worth trying and I believe most people would be surprised how much their sense of taste changes after say two weeks when they get rid of sugar from their teas and coffees; you start to almost taste the natural sweetness in things.

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    The Italian coffee market is evolved in a different way and what you found at pompei is common all over, because that is what they do. Strange however, because you would think at pompei they would be more mindful of tourists from other cultures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 666D776C76696B62050 link=1333764368/21#21 date=1333932397
    If you cut out sugar here and there and your not worse off well I just think its worth trying and I believe most people would be surprised how much their sense of taste changes after say two weeks when they get rid of sugar from their teas and coffees; you start to almost taste the natural sweetness in things.
    I hear what you say ITC but cant say I entirely agree.
    I understand that cutting down on refined sugar overall has health benefits, however my preference is for approx 3 grams of sugar (a teaspoon = a little over 4g) have tried the abstinence thing a number of times over the years and I dont taste any natural sweetness in coffee (perhaps its just me) returning to my 3 gram habit is always like finding an old friend, I do enjoy sugar with my coffee. ;)

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Quote Originally Posted by 0629233E470 link=1333764368/12#12 date=1333886138
    Thats interesting. Most (as you can see above) are in the sugar or no-sugar camp.

    Have you tried a corser grind for your plunger and a shorter brew time before plunging? Maybe its the method thats making your plunger coffee more bitter and needing sugar?
    coarse grind, 30 second plunge, i just like it with 1 sugar.

    cant stand sugar in the espresso tho, it really ruins the taste, but if i get a bad coffee from the cafe then 5 or 6 sugars need to go into so it is at all drinkable, got to overpower the coffee taste with that delicious sweetness

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Havent had sugar in my coffee or tea since I was 12. I drink my coffee black and good bad or instant I cant tolerate sugar in it. But thats just me. :P

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    I always taste it first. Sometimes I will add sugar but in a lattee, if the milk is frothed right I dont need sugar. Normally at most coffee shops I add sugar, rarley at home depending on the bean. It is up to the individual. I dont get upset if someone adds sugar to a coffee I have made at home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 74534649270 link=1333764368/26#26 date=1334044465
    if the milk is frothed right I dont need sugar
    Thats a good point Stan. The overall sweetness can certainly change with the way the shot was dosed and poured and how the milk was heated and to what temperature.


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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    I remember reading or seeing on a doco that espresso in Naples is often poured over a a teaspoon of sugar, but not stirred by the drinker but only swilled around before drinking with the intent of getting the syrupy sweet coffee hit at the end.

    FWIW I taste first before adding sugar too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 536770667D4A567A73737070150 link=1333764368/18#18 date=1333929497
    This is a very silly topic pulling in the same old tired comments that in the end are not funny
    Actually, what happened was a moderator edited posts from another thread and created this one from it, I didnt start this even though it would appear I did.

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    No sugar in most coffees especially ones made at home. If it is out and slightly bitter I may add a little bit of sugar but if it is bad enough to require a whole spoonful of sugar then that coffee goes straight to the bin and I find another cafe.

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    I think it transforms the flavour of the coffee and adds a new layer with sugar.
    If i have a milk coffee ill have 1/2 a tspn of sugar so only a very small amount.
    I think the best way i could describe what im saying is, think of when you cook a really nice dish or even something like mashed potato and its really nice as it is, but then drop a little salt in it and it takes it from about an 8/10 to a 10/10. Just gives the dish a bit more life.

    Its not always the case, but a little sugar to boost the flavour is ok in my book. Anything more than 1 sugar though is masking the flavours then.

    Give them hot chocolate instead

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    I find the natural sugars in milk are enough if prepared properly.
    If the milk has been overheated, then I add sugar.

    I drink 95%+ of my coffee as lattes.

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    I dont have sugar - dont care if you do or dont. I make it how you like it when you come to my place - if you like 8700 sugars then that how you like and that is how you get it. I make it with the best coffee I have - what I drink, you also drink.

    Quote Originally Posted by 350A0E251606040C630 link=1333764368/0#0 date=1333764367
    We had a friend from the school our kids go to come around for a coffee one morning, their comment on seeing the Expobar was "why didnt you buy an automatic", alrighty then, here we go. I served up a double shot espresso with some "wow, that milk turned out great". The only comment I got was "that was too strong", what can you do?
    However, I can really sympathize with that. When you put a lot of love and care into a brew for someone who would prefer international roast (it has happened to me) it is like giving strawberries to pigs, what can you do?

    Food for thought though... if you drink a lot of coffee and have two level (not heaped) teaspoons of sugar in your coffee (I have about 7-8 a day) you would be having about 120kj per brew which would be 960kj per day, about 6700kj per week and a whopping 349440kj per year which, is about 40 days (give or take) worth of the average dietary requirements of energy. That much sugar is not good for you (but probably neither is the amount of coffee that I drink). If you were struggling to lose weight there is over 200 hours of walking at 5km/hr you would not have to do per year (for a 90kg person).

    Either way, enjoy your coffee just how you like it.

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    Re: The Good Old Sugar in Coffee Debate

    Variety is the spice of life etc and I like to cover the whole gamut of coffees (except syrup) with and without sugar & milk. When I know the coffee will be particularly good I tend to delete the milk & sugar as I want to taste the bean in its full natural state.
    I AM guilty of discriminating against spirit drinkers who want cola in my malt whiskey. They can have Johnny Walker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0B363A3220590 link=1333764368/34#34 date=1334446147
    I AM guilty of discriminating against spirit drinkers who want cola in my malt whiskey. They can have Johnny Walker.

    Here here! If you want a scotch and dry (of which I am also quite partial to) you can have a white heather - not the single malt!

    Although I dont have sugar, I do switch between milk and espresso depending on what I am going to taste......I suppose there is a thread for that debate as well... ;)



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