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    Hey Everyone,

    I am a bit of a coffee snob but looking to get my own home machine cause i a sick and tired of crappy coffee from cafes that just are not good.

    I have previously done a barista course so i have a good knowledge about making coffee, just need more experience :)

    Just after some recommendations on what hardware to look for.

    I am after bang for buck and looking to not spend too much.

    I have seen a couple of packages with the silva and rocky together for around $800 or so, is this a good package?

    The alternative i guess would be the breville smart grinder as this seems to get raving reviews and is better than the rocky.


    So i guess the main question should be, as i would prefer to not get anything till about 2 months away (just to fit into the budget easier)

    Would i be better off getting the breville smart grinder as a start, and then in a couple of months see what kind of machine i can get for $500-600?

    If i can get everything for around $700 that would be ideal.

    Just after some suggestions on what i should look for and what i should get.

    Thanks

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    Re: What hardware to look for? - New to the scene

    Welcome Shadoxity!

    You can try out sponsors over to the left of screen.
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    Or try this link for Breville, that will take you to the page to look at.* :)

    http://www.breville.com.au/beverages/espresso.html

    The question is, do you want to have a machine seperate from your grinder, or grinder built in?

    The better the outfit, the more the dollars add up.


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    Thanks for the response Linda,

    I think i would rather have a seperate grinder and machine. That way its easier to upgrade 1 or the other in the future if i choose to.

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    Any other suggestions?

    I think i might go for the Breville smart grinder, as it seems to be the best value for money. And considering it can be picked up for $200 new thats pretty cheap.

    What about a machine? Suggestions? I want to get one around August preferably

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    Re: What hardware to look for? - New to the scene

    Im very new to the scene too and have just purchased the Smart Grinder. It brings my Delonghi Lespresso to is knees even on the coarser espresso grinds.

    Now I am on the hunt for a replacement espresso machine. I started looking at the Rancilio Silvia but have decided to look on the cheaper end of things to begin with. So I think a Gaggia Classic might be a good start for me. They seem to be around $100 second hand and Ill mod it with a Silvia steam arm.

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    Well, if you dont mind second hand - get on to ebay save some searches for the popular good espresso machines eg. vibiemme, expobar, la cimbali, faema, la pavoni, rancilio, rocket, boema, bezzera etc.. Just keep checking for new things and you may find something thats a bit old but pretty good, eg theres a la pavoni pub 1 group with volumetric control on there atm with one bid and a day or so left at approx $500 - that would be an amazing machine that you may never need to upgrade from, maybe just some maintainance. If you like milk based drinks get a double boiler machine or heat exchanger machine otherwise you might regret something like a rancilio silvia especially if you plan on entertaining. Hope that helps in some way.

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    Re: What hardware to look for? - New to the scene

    Quote Originally Posted by 383129323B2C3A6D6E6D5E0 link=1337578040/4#4 date=1337744924
    Im very new to the scene too and have just purchased the Smart Grinder. It brings my Delonghi Lespresso to is knees even on the coarser espresso grinds.

    Now I am on the hunt for a replacement espresso machine. I started looking at the Rancilio Silvia but have decided to look on the cheaper end of things to begin with. So I think a Gaggia Classic might be a good start for me. They seem to be around $100 second hand and Ill mod it with a Silvia steam arm.
    Thanks for the info. The grinder looks like it will be pretty good :)


    Quote Originally Posted by 0927302A313066695E0 link=1337578040/5#5 date=1337750877
    Well, if you dont mind second hand - get on to ebay save some searches for the popular good espresso machines eg. vibiemme, expobar, la cimbali, faema, la pavoni, rancilio, rocket, boema, bezzera etc.. Just keep checking for new things and you may find something thats a bit old but pretty good, eg theres a la pavoni pub 1 group with volumetric control on there atm with one bid and a day or so left at approx $500 - that would be an amazing machine that you may never need to upgrade from, maybe just* some maintainance. If you like milk based drinks get a double boiler machine or heat exchanger machine otherwise you might regret something like a rancilio silvia especially if you plan on entertaining. Hope that helps in some way.* *
    Thank you for the in depth information.

    If i can get this La Pavoni machine for $600 or less, would it be worth splurging early to get it?
    From what you said it sounds like its a very good machine.

    I would mainly have flat whites and cappuchinos and the occasional ristretto etc.

    I cannot find if this is double or single boiler. (nor do i really understand what that is yet hahaha)

    I did notice in some specifications for it on a site somewhere it states "Copper boiler equipped with front mounted transversal heat exchangers and injectors for each group."

    So i am thinking that this fits into the "heat exchanger machine" category.

    Ill wait on some advice before acting on this. If it would be worth getting this on its price point i might just bite the bullet and get it now if i would just about never need to upgrade from it!

    And by maintenance are you talking about having it serviced? and/or replacing parts?

    Much appreciating the info. Thanks



    And just one other question (but i think i already know the answer...)
    If i could get a rancillio silvia v3 for around $600 or the la pavoni for $650-700 would it be worth the extra money over the rancillio?

    Keeping in mind that te La Pavoni is a 98 machine, Would that be reliable? would i expect a long life from it from this time?

    Hope someone replies by tomorrow mid day :)

    Thanks everyone for your help

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    Re: What hardware to look for? - New to the scene

    The la Pavoni went a bit higher than i was willing to spend right now.

    Think ill look at getting the Breville BES900 in a month and a bit.

    Any feedback on that option? Seems to get pretty good reviews. i imagine it should last me a good 6 years or so from new :) (hope so!)

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    I just picked up a breville smart grinder for 178 from hn.

    This is the start to my home coffee experience :-) awesome deal. Going to keep my eyes open for the bes900 now

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    Re: What hardware to look for? - New to the scene

    BES900 is a great machine. You might even get it for less than $1000 it seems. I have one and its great. I expect it to last at least 10 years.

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    Yes- the going price is $995 if you look in the right place.

    Whether they are coming with tax invoice or a*warranty- who knows....

    How they can be sold for $200 under what our wholesale buy price was I also find difficult to comprehend. Just goes to suggest that like all appliances, theyre going to be worth about 2/3 of nothing in a couple of years.* ::)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 525A51405B56545B350 link=1337578040/11#11 date=1338181257
    As he says, coffee machines are just appliances
    I didnt hear Chris say that at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by 525A51405B56545B350 link=1337578040/11#11 date=1338181257
    Especially since you can buy one from a sponsor (breville factory outlet) for such a low price.
    And the $995 price didnt come from their factory outlet either. Its on a website named after an Australian native tree. ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5A7B7070776D1E0 link=1337578040/12#12 date=1338183390
    GoD wrote Today at 15:00:
    As he says, coffee machines are just appliances


    I didnt hear Chris say that at all.
    Correct. I actually said appliances are just appliances.

    Quality espresso machines are not considered appliances. Theyre semi commercial machines.

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    I heard someone got one in a B&M store for that here on CS. I dont know which store - obviously a non-sponsor. But then I dont think any sponsor is selling them any more either are they?

    I just LOVE the implied snobbery of referring to a BES900 as an appliance. I bet you guys werent doing that when you were selling them eh?

    Personally, I was sold on the idea of the BES900 because of the fact that specialist coffee retailers were actually supporting, stocking and selling them. It is a shame that Breville is selling them at a price that doesnt allow you guys to compete.

    In any case, they are a great machine. If I do get 10 years out of it as Breville seems to indicate they are designed for I will be well pleased. I certainly dont see myself needing to upgrade any time before that 10 years is up anyway so resale value is moot. All I want is good coffee. Spending double just wasnt an option for what ever marginal improvement may be had.

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    I have the Breville, Im happy with the quality of the coffee you can make with it however it is still considered an appliance in my books and it will be retired in a few years when I decide which shiny piece of italian workhorse I want, Lever or double boiler/pid.

    The breville is a plastic fantastic that does deliver great coffee with some nifty features but the appeal of italian machines are much higher in my view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 77424F487C604C45454646230 link=1337578040/10#10 date=1338173448
    How they can be sold for $200 under what our wholesale buy price was I also find difficult to comprehend.
    Perhaps there is more than one "wholesale price" ?
    Certainly wholesale is not the same as "factory gate"* price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5277607F7241272F2026160 link=1337578040/14#14 date=1338183966
    I bet you guys werent doing that when you were selling them eh?
    I was actually.

    I always said that they punched above their weight but Im betting that few of us here are naive enough to assume that they will be around in 20 years. I reckon that there might be quite a few semi-commercials purchased by CSers that are.

    If you have a grand to spend and are not prepared to learn a single boiler machine, theyre very good appliances. In 5 years, they will be worth not much so the cost of ownership will be about a grand. If you dont have a grand to spend, no doubt somebody will miraculously have them for sale at $800 in a week or two ... ::)

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    David, Id be happy to take your bet. :)

    Quote Originally Posted by 6C626B606A3B3C0E0 link=1337578040/16#16 date=1338184409
    Perhaps there is more than one "wholesale price" ?
    No, Breville guys have told me without batting an eye that everyone was on a level playing field. No one was getting kick backs either. So of course it stands to reason, Breville told the truth and every retailer is now happily making a loss on these.

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    Dennis it sucks that you guys did so much to get these machines out of the blocks only to get screwed. Hell you sold me!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6B4E59464B781E16191F2F0 link=1337578040/19#19 date=1338185420
    Dennis it sucks that you guys did so much to get these machines out of the blocks only to get screwed. Hell you sold me!
    Doesnmatter....

    I think that both sponsors moved on some time ago ;)

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7045484F7B674B42424141240 link=1337578040/20#20 date=1338185912
    Doesnmatter....
    Agree. FWIW, I still recommend them to people on a budget of less than $1.5k, and now less than $1k! If Im upset by anything, its that I sold these to people in good faith, having been assured they would hold their value.

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    Thanks for the notes guys :)

    I have been lookign at the one from a certain australian tree.

    Just waiting on a response from the seller! Damn people without a phone number :(

    I am very excited to get all my new equipment and cant wait to be making some good coffee!

    I just need to find out where to get some good fresh beans from now and not pay through the roof!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 110A03060D1A0B161B620 link=1337578040/22#22 date=1338188626
    Just waiting on a response from the seller!
    Print the ad then go to GGs and ask them to better it. Also look up evilbay and youll find them for $1278.16. Print and take that to GGs too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 70515A5A5D47340 link=1337578040/23#23 date=1338189898
    Quote Originally Posted by 110A03060D1A0B161B620 link=1337578040/22#22 date=1338188626
    Just waiting on a response from the seller!
    Print the ad then go to GGs and ask them to better it.* Also look up evilbay and youll find them for $1278.16.* Print and take that to GGs too!
    Dont think they will,
    They couldnt match HNs $178.

    HN had this for $1297 as well. which is pretty good, if i cant get it cheaper i might end up going that direction.

    Pretty good setup for under $1500 i say

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    Hmm - the price is creeping up. Im sure people got them for around $1000 at HN. It may have been on a 20% off special or something like that. Perhaps also see what the bundle is with a Smart Grinder - you can then always sell the grinder.

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    Re: What hardware to look for? - New to the scene

    Ended up with a BES900 for $950, brand new with 2 years warranty and the smart grinder for $179.

    Very happy with my setup and the prices i got (i got very lucky!) not just waiting on some fresh beans so i can start experimenting!


    Thanks for the help everyone.
    Will have to find out a good source of beans that arent to expensive

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    Shadoxity,

    Welcome to the Breville owners club. There are plenty of us here very happy with the same setup.

    Now the important thing is to get good fresh coffee beans. Either BeanBay browns or a local roaster or better still get into home roasting.

    Barry.

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    Thanks for that Barry,

    I will have a look at BeanBay, Dont know of any local roasters at the moment (Central Coast nsw).

    I have thought about home roasting, but i think i should give my self some time before i start doing that ($$ wise) maybe a year away. but that does sound like the best option to have fresh beans!

    I will have to do some reading into home roasting.

    Just waiting for my grinder to arrive now so i can make my first coffee on this beast! im excited!

    Cheers,
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    Grinder will arrive on Monday (maybe tuesday) Then ill put a pic of my setup up :)
    Cant wait! can practice on my milk during the weekend for hot chocolates! I had a laugh

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Finally have everything! As of Wednesday :)

    And finally got to have a bit of a play with grind settings etc.

    I still have a long way to go for consistency or getting the coffees better but they are currently better than 3/4s of the cafes around :D

    Very happy with my purchase, this is my current setup.


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