Thread: Pure Water water filters

Does not really sound like a great deal to tell you the truth.

contact the sponsor bombora , they have virtually the same filter for $59.95 and offer the filter with the benchtop unit for $99 or an even better option is the benchtop system with a 5 micron softening filter for $110, grab some TH test strips and see the difference. Its probably the best non plumped filter solution for most home users and just a basic test using the softening filter vs tap water in my kettle the scale reduction is huge.

Sounds like a marketing ploy at its best :)

Water for Espresso or Brewed coffee is different to nice tasting water to drink. Keeping scale in check is as much important as anything. The filter you have been offered wont do that.

The domestic water filtration industry is worse than buying used cars. Blatant lies and pseudo science abound along with overpriced under performing products to boot. Think Snake oil of medicine man shows and your getting close. The couple of sponsors here do however know their stuff.

The things you need to sort out are does the water taste ok already? If so then maybe a pre filter followed by a carbon filter then topped off with a softener cartridge if required. But water supplies vary dramatically across Australia.

Currently I am running a pumped Reverse Osmosis plant with prefiltration which gets me to around 40PPM TDS which is great for Espresso (could be a touch higher) but it tastes flat if I am making brewed so I have a remineralization cartridge I am playing with to make a shandy of sorts and get back up to 150-200PPM. Our local supply runs from 500-900PPM TDS (Tastes like :o) and kills plumbing.

So to clean can be bad and the wrong sort of clean can still see you with a blocked up machine.

Let us know where you are or what sort of water you are running?

I currently use a bench top from Bombora with a CFS117O Cuno/3M.

It was just that the lady was claiming this thing was the best thing since sliced bread and I noticed it filtered to 4 microns and used reverse osmosis unlike my current filter.

I am happy with my current setup so I think I would give it a miss.

Yes! You have won free flights to Paris! All you need to do is stay in one of these beautiful [s]remote 2 star fleaholes[/s] establishments at 400 Euro a night for 2 weeks ::)

Lots of well-meaning plumbers/filter sellers do drinking water and have little idea about scale nor espresso machinery.

Best leave it to the pros. Speak with Bombora ;)

Chris

Originally Posted by 464D574C56494B42250 link=1339150452/3#3 date=1339160199

I noticed it filtered to 4 microns and used reverse osmosis unlike my current filter.

Thats the sort of snake oil they use. A carbon block filter HAS NOTHING to do with R/O which is an entirely different process. That is false and misleading conduct and if you pushed the point against trade practices etc!

Make sure that the filter specifically removes calcium. If Im not wrong theres a special term for it, just forgot what it was and yeah contact bombora.

As already stated Carbon will not remove calcium. Water Softeners if needed are very different.

Carbon is great for pulling solvent out of aqueous streams 8-). The only way to pull out calcium & magnesium is to use a softener which acts on an ion exchange principal.

I treat filtration as an investment to ensure my unit stays in tip top shape - do not cut corners when it comes to water quality.

Hi Beanflying

I'm with you on this. I too have an RO 4 stage system which gives me around 35- 38 TDS. I was worried that it might be a bit low for my Giotto Premium Plus due to the sensors not registering water. But after talking to Chris at Talk Coffee, he said that should be fine. I never get scale in any of my machines. I also have my whole house filtered by 2 x 24" cartridges. 10 micron polyspun sediment and 20 micron carbon block. Cant beat good quality water.

research Town Water Supply and see how your municipality treats their water. You will be shocked.

[QUOTE=chrislng;471184]Hi all,

Was contacted by the Pure Water company a mob in Queensland I believe.

And on answering a survey I have won a free bench top filter system. The catch I need to buy one of there filters.

The filter is $100 and rated for one year, Im due for a new filter soon so I may just take it but I wanted to see if anyone had any insight into it.


The filter is as follows:

CC1E-HT 0.4 Micron

Commercial non-sponsor link removed

What you think? [I was contacted by the same people about two years ago asking me if I would like to answer a survey, and for doing that they told me that I had won a bench top filter system when I agreed I was told I needed to buy a filter and would cost me $124.90 plus postage and handling $7.50 a total of $132.40.The filter model is CC1E-HT 0.4 micron. I have also checked on line with another company today and for the same model number It will cost me $52 but I think there may be postage charge on top of that.

I also had a water consultant from pure water at my door last week

Let him in as I was curious as to what he thought

Told me that the bench top filter I was using from Bambora was no good

Told me my filter was Nominal and being 5 micron pretty much useless

I needed one of his 0.4 micron absolute filters then filters for my showers and so on .............

Spent a hour telling me how bad our water really is, did a couple of tests using chlorine and a tomato and then they always get offended when you don't purchase anything from them, like I've wasted his time

I'm happy with my Bambora bench top.

Originally Posted by Hawko777

Hi Beanflying

I'm with you on this. I too have an RO 4 stage system which gives me around 35- 38 TDS. I was worried that it might be a bit low for my Giotto Premium Plus due to the sensors not registering water. But after talking to Chris at Talk Coffee, he said that should be fine. I never get scale in any of my machines. I also have my whole house filtered by 2 x 24" cartridges. 10 micron polyspun sediment and 20 micron carbon block. Cant beat good quality water.

research Town Water Supply and see how your municipality treats their water. You will be shocked.

Research it properly and you'll find that potable water in Australia is of extremely high quality in terms of general consumption (ie, drinking, washing, ...). If you want to produce quality espresso, then you have some tighter tolerances to deal with. Test a few rainwater systems and poorly maintained filters systems and you will be shocked!

Pete

I got visited by a snake oil salesman a week ago and he told me about the wonders of his product too Seriously the domestic water filtration industry is full of shonks and pseudo science that would make a used car salesman blush!

Correct filtration for the given situation ALWAYS.

Gallery of water-related pseudoscience.
Junk science in the marketplace.

Take a look at:
The BunkHouse: Water pseudoscience gallery

Barry

Hi, my name's Sam and I work for Pure Water Systems, I never normally do this when I see threads with misleading information, but I felt compelled to sign up just to reply and set some things straight.

As a direct sales agent I am responsible for knocking on the doors of the public to convince them of the idea of drinking purified water. I agree that the water purification industry is comparable to the snake oil business, there is a lot of jargon and mythical information floating around in order to suck people in to buying inferior products at a cheaper price. I just have to say though, when it comes to people trying to do the right thing in this industry, in actual fact we are not talking about "shonky pseudo-science" but real chemicals and pollutants in our water supplies that we all ought to be aware of. I can't speak for the rest of the sales agents out there working for pws, but I certainly know we were drilled for a full week of training about the difference between carbon block and reverse osmosis filtration - namely, the inability of carbon to remove TDS from the water supply.

Not once is it advertised or are we taught to push carbon filtration as reverse osmosis or vice versa, and I completely agree with you when you say that is a dodgy tactic! I, for one, would never recommend a countertop filter to a coffee shop (for a number of reasons)! Having said that, reverse osmosis is a very time consuming process, so if any of you have what's claimed to be a reverse osmosis system hooked up to your machine without a pressure holding tank you should start looking for the real deal

In regards to the counter top system that bombora is offering for a much cheaper price, it only filters at a nominal level (meaning it can work between 6% and 95% efficiency at any given time), and only filters down to 0.5 of a micron - anyone who knows what they're talking about will know that ecoli can squeeze down to 0.4 of a micron, not to mention the other things getting through with that 0.1 of a micron difference. The cartridges that we use filter down to 0.4 of a micron at an absolute level, meaning they have 96%+ efficiency at all times, they are made from compressed carbon, contain a statically charged vegetable cellulose outer wrapping and a central membrane (so a 3 process filtration).

The other thing you have to watch out for when purchasing a filtration system on the cheap is cheap plastics and chrome that can leech back into your water, and that's not even mentioning lack of warranties and after sale support

Please, I would like to set these things straight and welcome any more questions or differing opinions!

Cheers,
Sam.

Sam,

The overwhelming body of what you have written has little relevance to coffee filtration.

Originally Posted by S4M

....but I certainly know we were drilled for a full week of training about the difference between carbon block and reverse osmosis filtration - namely, the inability of carbon to remove TDS from the water supply.

That took a whole week?

Sorry buddy, but I place zero trust in those who knock on doors and then pitch "the script". I'll pass and I'll continue to use the products tested and recommended by a sponsor of high integrity.

Try next door mate. They might be more gullible.

Sam,


Our main reason for treating the water going through our coffee machines is to reduce lime scale formation affecting the efficiency of our equipment.

The .4 micron filter that you recommend will be useless in reducing water hardness and will have no effect on reducing lime scale formation.

Ion exchange is the main effective method used to soften the water that we use for coffee our machines.

Most of us here do not run coffee shops and just produce coffee at home. so a bench top water treatment system may be suitable for many of us.

Barry

Hi Talk_coffee and Barry. Thanks for your warm welcome Barry, yes I understand exactly what you mean - you guys need Reverse Osmosis to remove TDS (totally dissolved solids), which is why I said I would never recommend a carbon block counter top to you (or undersink). For serving water in a commercial environment I think when we are talking about micron size, and the certain things that are left in/pulled out of the water it is very relevant, just as relevant as removing TDS in my opinion.

All I am saying is our products never claim to do anything they don't or vice versa - we do have one of the best carbon block filtration systems around, but if one of our reps told you to use that inline to your coffee machine claiming it works the same as an RO system you should ring the company and report them! I understand your distrust in door knocking sales people Talk_coffee, I felt the same way until I was on the other side of the door, and still feel the same way with a lot of them - but in the end it's your dollar and your health, so if you end up continuing to buy inferior or cheaper cartridges that don't work quite as well or need to be replaced more often, or use cheaper plastics just because they are recommended by another company trying to make a dollar (isn't any company?) then I can't stop you from doing so, I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions here about the company i'm working for, and cheaper products that are claiming to do the same job for a cheaper price. Pws specialises in water filtration, and although yes it may be drinking water, it's not hard to read through this thread to see you were talking about TDS, which means you need an RO system (am I wrong?), that doesn't make my professionalism have any less relevance to your needs than say, bombora, does it?

If you want to "leave it to the professionals" you are probably better off talking to a company that specialises in RO filtration, not one that specialises in coffee with a side serving of filtration

Thanks again!

Originally Posted by S4M

Hi Talk_coffee and Barry. Thanks for your warm welcome Barry, yes I understand exactly what you mean - you guys need Reverse Osmosis to remove TDS (totally dissolved solids)..

....and by stating that, you just proved that you dont.

Originally Posted by S4M

Hi Talk_coffee and Barry. Thanks for your warm welcome Barry, yes I understand exactly what you mean - you guys need Reverse Osmosis to remove TDS (totally dissolved solids), which is why I said I would never recommend a carbon block counter top to you (or undersink). For serving water in a commercial environment I think when we are talking about micron size, and the certain things that are left in/pulled out of the water it is very relevant, just as relevant as removing TDS in my opinion.

All I am saying is our products never claim to do anything they don't or vice versa - we do have one of the best carbon block filtration systems around, but if one of our reps told you to use that inline to your coffee machine claiming it works the same as an RO system you should ring the company and report them! I understand your distrust in door knocking sales people Talk_coffee, I felt the same way until I was on the other side of the door, and still feel the same way with a lot of them - but in the end it's your dollar and your health, so if you end up continuing to buy inferior or cheaper cartridges that don't work quite as well or need to be replaced more often, or use cheaper plastics just because they are recommended by another company trying to make a dollar (isn't any company?) then I can't stop you from doing so, I just wanted to clear up some misconceptions here about the company i'm working for, and cheaper products that are claiming to do the same job for a cheaper price. Pws specialises in water filtration, and although yes it may be drinking water, it's not hard to read through this thread to see you were talking about TDS, which means you need an RO system (am I wrong?), that doesn't make my professionalism have any less relevance to your needs than say, bombora, does it?

If you want to "leave it to the professionals" you are probably better off talking to a company that specialises in RO filtration, not one that specialises in coffee with a side serving of filtration

Thanks again!

Morning Sam, what you have cleared up in my mind is the fact that your a salesman using scare tactics in an attempt to flog your products.
Any company that feels the need to bad mouth a competitor as a sales tactic will never see a cent of my hard earned cash.

I'm sorry Yelta, but i'm not sure what you mean by "scare tactics"? I wasn't trying to "bad mouth" anyone, I was just stating that bombora offers a lot more services/products than just filtration and it's a good idea to do some research about it all, the stuff I said about cheaper cartridges/plastics wasn't aimed at bombora at all, but working in this industry I do find a lot of cheap 'knock off' products (as you do in any industry). I'm sorry if that was taken the wrong way, i'm sure Bombora has some great products, the last thing I want to do is bad mouth any other company on a public forum!.. I'm not trying to flog any products here, just set some things straight about some misconceptions i've read.. and talk_coffee, so what is it that i'm missing? Doesn't calcium build up create scale? Calcium is a TDS is it not?

Originally Posted by S4M

so what is it that i'm missing?

Wow! I'll have to keep monitoring this thread!
Don't be too hard on Sam guys. Like everyone here, he's entitled to an opinion and he's just doing a/his job.
Sponsors here (like Bombora), offer services and products to the public/coffee addicts, etc, with an equipment range/price for individual budgets and needs.
Everyone cannot afford a Rolls Royce, nor do they need one. Consumers like to have a choice. A good successful business should and can, supply the needs for both ends of the market.

Originally Posted by Kevo

Wow! I'll have to keep monitoring this thread!
Don't be too hard on Sam guys. Like everyone here, he's entitled to an opinion and he's just doing a/his job.
Sponsors here (like Bombora), offer services and products to the public/coffee addicts, etc, with an equipment range/price for individual budgets and needs.
Everyone cannot afford a Rolls Royce, nor do they need one. Consumers like to have a choice. A good successful business should and can, supply the needs for both ends of the market.

I hear what you say Kevo, however, when someone (read non sponsor) joins a forum like CoffeeSnobs for the express purpose of promoting a product on the cheap they are pretty much walking into the lions den.
I'm surprised the red pencil has not been applied.

Thanks Kevo, and you are exactly right! Yelta, as I stated before, i'm not trying to sell our products to anyone on here! In fact, I would say most of our products aren't suited to your line of work.. If there wasn't any misleading information on this thread titled "pure water filters" I wouldn't have felt compelled to join just to try and straighten it up! Telling people to go to a specialist in reverse osmosis filtration was not telling people to come to us over them, or anything like that - that is for you guys to decide who you think the specialist is, or whoever you think can give you a better service for your dollars worth (based on your own research).. I'm simply trying to level the playing field here!

I find it all too often on websites like these, people advising others to buy a cheaper filter that "does the same thing" when in fact it doesn't, or comparing RO to carbon block, or comparing the way we conduct our business to that of a dodgy snake oil salesman - I just don't think its quite justified to start slandering a company based on pure opinion, or throwing around opinions like they are factual - people end up being mislead into buying products that aren't doing what they thought they were and companies like mine end up getting a bad wrap because someone didn't like having their door knocked on (or whatever it is that has made them cynical in the first place).

I hope the moderators can see that I am only trying to straighten up misleading opinions and information on here, and as my comments are quite relevant and will be of some use to further people looking to find out whether pws is a dodgy company or not (for coffee machines or not) I hope that my comments won't be stricken from the records.

Thanks again for the back and forth!

Originally Posted by S4M

TI hope the moderators can see that I am only trying to straighten up misleading opinions and information on here...

Why the spin then?

S4M- seems to me that regardless, you are here to "sell" your product- or at least its reputation.

You can become a sponsor by contacting Andy (the site owner) to discuss viability of a sponsorship if you so choose.

The key gotcha for espresso systems is scale. Your posts thus far indicate that you have yet to grasp that.

Most of what I have read so far is thinly veiled pitch.

Sorry if you feel that way Talk_coffee, I understand that you are talking about scale, and as I stated before, isn't limescale caused mainly by calcium? Here is the wikipedia def. of limescale Limescale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - There it also states that calcium is the main culprit (you probably know this already but you seem to be not reading my posts).

Now, if i'm not mistaken, Reverse Osmosis will remove calcium, will it not? Anything short of that, or that does not work on an ionic level, won't - am I right? So what is it that i'm not addressing in regards to preventing limescale on your machines? Because a filter that removes calcium will also remove most other TDS, therefore softening your water.

Of course I am trying to save the reputation of the company I work for, as it is my livelihood that depends on the reputation of the company, but I don't think that stating "most of our products aren't suited for your line of work" is trying to sell our products :S do you?

I'll say it again, I actually don't want anyone on here to go out and buy a PWS system of any type, I just want people to know we aren't a dodgy company claiming block filters as R/O's or using "dodgy pseudo-science" to push people into sales, this is actually what makes my job a lot harder - people that go around doing those things and in turn giving ammunition for those wanting to convince others that the water purification industry is a scam.

Anyway, enough is enough - becoming a sponsor sounds like a brilliant idea, i'll definitely have to talk to my managers about it..

When i replaced the autoclave at my surgery a couple of years ago i was told the warranty would not be valid without the use of pure water. Was advised that a ro setup was best or else a cheaper steam distaller system, which is very slow. The installation company didnt sell ro units so no vested interest, they said that carbon filters werenot adequate. Both surgery and home are on tank water, at home typically 12 ppm tds so i have great water for beer making and coffee. If i lived in SA with their shitty water i would install a ro system for beer and coffee.

Originally Posted by seamad

If i lived in SA with their shitty water i would install a ro system for beer and coffee.

Steady on seamad, I agree it ain't perfect but it's not that bad, never heard of anyone getting crook from drinking the stuff.

Looks like S4M may be in charge of damage control for PWS:

http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1826112

Originally Posted by S4M

Now, if i'm not mistaken, Reverse Osmosis will remove calcium, will it not?

Yes, it will. However it's been suggested that Reverse Osmosis may lower the TDS to too low a level, unless it's mixed with some regular water. Many coffee machines have an auto-fill circuit which needs the water to be conductive for it to work. If the TDS is too low the water becomes non-conductive.

Most people on here are probably using ion-exchange resin cartridges, which 'soften' the water (replaces the calcium with sodium), leaving the TDS pretty much unchanged.

Originally Posted by seamad

When i replaced the autoclave at my surgery a couple of years ago i was told the warranty would not be valid without the use of pure water. Was advised that a ro setup was best or else a cheaper steam distaller system, which is very slow. The installation company didnt sell ro units so no vested interest, they said that carbon filters werenot adequate. Both surgery and home are on tank water, at home typically 12 ppm tds so i have great water for beer making and coffee. If i lived in SA with their shitty water i would install a ro system for beer and coffee.

Why is SA water shitty for brewing beer or coffee?

Originally Posted by DrSmurto

Why is SA water shitty for brewing beer or coffee?

From a Crow Eater, sadly SA is well known for having water that is a little below par taste wise, however like most things in life, you get used to it.

Originally Posted by DrSmurto

Why is SA water shitty for brewing beer or coffee?

Everything that enters the Murray-Darling catchment finds its way downstream, but I believe the main effect is the saline groundwater in the basin that gets flushed down the Murray / Darling Rivers. Water extracted from the system for irrigation further increases the salinity of the water that makes it SA. That's my understanding anyway...I'm sure some SA people would have more details.

Originally Posted by DrSmurto

Why is SA water shitty for brewing beer or coffee?

If it's not shitty then why do you use tank water for brewing?

Seriously though, I had a very bad experience with SA water about 20 years ago, was down that way competing in Australian surf titles and was advised not to drink the water. Being young, indestructible, and a smart arse ( dangerous combo) I drank the tap water and spent 24 hours shitting and throwing up, scarred me for life. When I travel that way now I drink only wine and beer (excellent down that way) still end up crook sometimes, doesn't put me off the grog though.

Originally Posted by Bill

Yes, it will. However it's been suggested that Reverse Osmosis may lower the TDS to too low a level, unless it's mixed with some regular water. Many coffee machines have an auto-fill circuit which needs the water to be conductive for it to work. If the TDS is too low the water becomes non-conductive.

Most people on here are probably using ion-exchange resin cartridges, which 'soften' the water (replaces the calcium with sodium), leaving the TDS pretty much unchanged.

Thanks for the information Bill So I guess I was grasping the concept of limescale fine then.. :P

Originally Posted by Jisgren;486691Looks like S4M may be in charge of damage control for PWS:

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http://forums.whirlpool.net.au/archive/1826112[/URL]

Jisgren, I would say that "damage control" is probably an ill worded description, as that implies PWS has done something wrong.. I'm simply standing up for the company I work for, which i (and the company) have a right to do on a public forum, don't you think?

Originally Posted by seamad

Seriously though, I had a very bad experience with SA water about 20 years ago, was down that way competing in Australian surf titles and was advised not to drink the water. Being young, indestructible, and a smart arse ( dangerous combo) I drank the tap water and spent 24 hours shitting and throwing up, scarred me for life. When I travel that way now I drink only wine and beer (excellent down that way) still end up crook sometimes, doesn't put me off the grog though.

I seriously doubt it was the water seamad, the stuff in some area's can be pretty hard but in my time (and I've been around for quite a while) I've never heard of any contamination that would produce the symptoms you describe.
Perhaps it was a crook stubby.

Originally Posted by Yelta

I seriously doubt it was the water seamad, the stuff in some area's can be pretty hard but in my time (and I've been around for quite a while) I've never heard of any contamination that would produce the symptoms you describe.
Perhaps it was a crook stubby.

I hope you don't mind me contributing to the thread some more, i'm actually quite interested in everyones views/opinions and i'm always looking for more information from people such as yourselves

Water contamination problems - Giardia and Cryptosporidium There is a tonne of information out there about water borne parasites.. they are in all bodies of water with a source of protein in it. The national water guidelines state that there can be up to 5 of each of these guys in a 250ml glass of water before it becomes 'unsafe', but they also loosened regulations on the testing of the water for these guys back in 09, so there is a very good chance you copped a few..

They are also pumping CSG wastewater back into the top of the Murray Darling catchment - 8 olympic swimming pools a day is it? Lateline - 24/11/2011: Qld approves CSG water discharge

So that might be contributing to some of the water issues down there?? I'm not really sure but it doesn't sound too nice..

@Seamad - crook from tap water? How much sea water did you ingest whilst competing and how much alcohol did you also consume. Anecdotal evidence from a single data point is dangerous - i thought someone in the medical field might know that or are you a homeopath/naturopath/chiropractor?

I use rainwater for brewing to get more control by adding back the salts. I did win ANAWBS back in 2008 using tap water so apparently someone thought it was ok - cough 46/50 cough beer of show cough. A lot of more experienced and more awarded brewers than I use Adelaide tap water.

I also use rainwater for coffee but that means i only need to carbon filter it as it contains <0.1ppm Ca and Mg (tested by ICP-MS) so it saves me spending money on a filtration setup i don't need. I hope that people are testing their water before buying ion exchange setups.

Adelaide tap water gets a bad wrap due to the chlorine/chloramine content, both of which are easily filtered out.

Originally Posted by S4M

So that might be contributing to some of the water issues down there?? I'm not really sure but it doesn't sound too nice..

Unfortunately, this is how a lot of the mis-information about water starts.

Perhaps someone would like to quote some actual statistics showing how many people have suffered any ill-effects from Australian potable water in, say, the last 10 years? If you want to pull the tolerances in for the sake of making coffee (or anything else for that matter) then you can test that you are getting the results you want from whatever products you choose.

Pete

you a homeopath/naturopath/chiropractor?

No , no ducks here.
I know anecdotal evidence is poor form but @ 10 of use got crook. We never drank alcohol during competition and had eaten at different places. We were not in Adelaide, I think it was Victor Harbour ?? The owner of the motel warned us about the water, those who hadn't drunk it were OK. There were more of us crook after the comps but that was certainly alcohol related.
I am sure your beers are tops , I have made your rye version of the golden ale several times and it's a cracker.

Getting back to coffee and RO, If I lived in a place where my kettle got a lot of scale then I would head down the RO path, cheap insurance if you have an expensive machine.

20 years ago and in Victor Harbour. That explains a lot - another world down there. I think they got electricty about that time...... surprised they had mains water. May not have been treated back then, many rural areas only got treated water in the last 20 years.

Back on topic - no scale in my kettle. Water in Adelaide just isn't that hard. I should dig out the data last time i tested both rainwater and tap water. Might help kill a few urban myths.

Originally Posted by DrSmurto

20 years ago and in Victor Harbour. That explains a lot - another world down there. I think they got electricty about that time...... surprised they had mains water. May not have been treated back then, many rural areas only got treated water in the last 20 years.

Back on topic - no scale in my kettle. Water in Adelaide just isn't that hard. I should dig out the data last time i tested both rainwater and tap water. Might help kill a few urban myths.

You need to check a few facts before posting DrS, Melbourne has the softest water in Aust and Adelaide the hardest see here Hard water - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia no urban myths involved.
Victor Harbour is a city with a population of well over 10,000 situated approx 60km south of Adelaide, it's a busy holiday and tourist destination as well as being a popular retirement location, as far as only got power 20 years ago

Would have been late 80's, and it seemed the arsehole of the universe to us surfers paradise sophisticates.

SA seems to have a pretty variable water supply, from some discussions on AHB some areas have extremely hard water, whilst others have good water.

Originally Posted by seamad

Would have been late 80's, and it seemed the arsehole of the universe to us surfers paradise sophisticates.

SA seems to have a pretty variable water supply, from some discussions on AHB some areas have extremely hard water, whilst others have good water.

I visited Surfers in the late 80s, and drank a pint of tap water late one night (maybe 3am?). Gee I was crook the next morning.