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    Hi,

    Until recently I would buy supermarket beans. I recently found a place that roasts coffee beans near my work. At work we buy our beans from this place.

    I went in the other day and bought some beans from them. On the back of the packet I notices a sticker saying packed on April 2012. I asked if that was old and I was assured it was ok, in fact I was told if they were stored correctly they would be ok for a year :o

    I was too embarrassed to walk away and I thought Id try 250g. After trying the beans I notice that the crema is thin and dissipates quickly in the cup.

    Are the beans too old?

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    Re: Coffee Beans - how old is old?

    Quote Originally Posted by 684D48441810111B290 link=1339204540/0#0 date=1339204540
    On the back of the packet I notices a sticker saying packed on April 2012
    Quote Originally Posted by 684D48441810111B290 link=1339204540/0#0 date=1339204540
    I was too embarrassed to walk away and I thought Id try 250g. After trying the beans I notice that the crema is thin and dissipates quickly in the cup.

    Are the beans too old?
    I would say yes. Three to four weeks from roast date is optimum best before. They would be pretty stale after a year!

    If you let the forum know what area you live in they will surely recommend some good roasters near you. Also dont forget Beanbay on this site!

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    Hey Adam - Now that you know what 2 month old coffee taste like, I am sure you have already learnt the definition of old.

    Freshly roasted coffee is best consumed 3-days post roast to 2 weeks. So always find out what the actual roast date is, and not just the month. Good coffee places will not shy this fact away from you.

    And dont buy more than you need. If it takes you two weeks to finish off 250g of coffee, so be it. Buying 500g because of $3 savings is not worth your while.

    Hope that helps!

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    Re: Coffee Beans - how old is old?

    Quote Originally Posted by 575348423A0 link=1339204540/2#2 date=1339216468
    Freshly roasted coffee is best consumed 3-days post roast to 2 weeks.
    Not for me. I usually dont enjoy coffee that is less than 1 week old post-roast and find the sweet spot around 12 days. I regularly enjoy coffee that is more than 2 weeks old, especially in the cooler months when coffee seems to age slower.

    But that is my taste.

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    I go by min 3 days to absolute maximum of 3 weeks, that is for whole roasted beans. 15min for ground beans.

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    When I was sold the beans I asked how often they roast. I was told once a week and that they dont sell them right after roasting because the beans are best enjoyed 5-7 days after roasting. I was honestly too embarrassed to put up a fight and insist on a bag that was roasted or packed in June.

    This is a good learning experience for me I suppose.

    I am in the St. George area but work in Macquarie Park during the week are there any roasters around me where I can get fresh beans?

    Thanks for the help guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4D686D613D35343E0C0 link=1339204540/5#5 date=1339227174
    I am in the St. George area but work in Macquarie Park during the week are there any roasters around me where I can get fresh beans?
    Espresso 7ty8 on 78 Waterloo Rd. is where I hang out for coffee during office hours. Michael, the barista working there is a very down-to-earth guy if you get a chance to chat with him. They serve Campos beans there, and they also sell whole beans too. Just check out the dates. When I ran out of green beans and had to resort to them, the beans I got from them were roasted 1 week before. So they werent too bad.

    Good luck, dude!

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    When they star t smelling like pub carpet, they are too old!


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    Quote Originally Posted by 352320223523233F3C3F263522500 link=1339204540/7#7 date=1339233924
    When they star t smelling like pub carpet, they are too old!
    and the grinder tends to stall on the carpet too! ;D

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    Re: Coffee Beans - how old is old?

    Adam, theres a little place called Swallow Coffee Traders in Tramway St. Rockdale. They use Single Origin so its pretty ok and am sure theyll have a bag or two for sale.

    Say hello to Jess for me...though its been so long she probably wont remember!

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    Hi Adam1982,

    If you work in Macquaie Park, Sibonis at Pymble is only 5 minutes drive from there.
    I get my beans from Sibonis and its pretty good.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2306030F535B5A50620 link=1339204540/5#5 date=1339227174
    work in Macquarie Park during the week
    In a short distance in all directions from Macquarie you will find a Pablo and Rusty’s café. They are at Gordon, Lane Cove, Epping and Ryde. They roast at Ryde and sell great coffee in the cup and bag at all their cafés.

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    Re: Coffee Beans - how old is old?

    +1 for P & Rustys.
    They also have a cafe on Olympic Park,..if its any help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6144414D11191812200 link=1339204540/5#5 date=1339227174
    This is a good learning experience for me I suppose.
    The whole CS thing is a perpetual learning experience, I think its one of the best aspects of the hobby. :)

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    I have been to swallows right near Rockdale station, their coffee is some of the best Ive had in a cafe.

    It looks like I have lots of choices, Pablo and Rustys and Sibonis arent too far away.

    I think there is a site sponsor who is a coffee roaster in Alexandria. That may be an option on a Saturday if I run dry.

    Ill probably give Pablos a go sometime this week.

    I have mostly milk based coffees whatsoever you guys recommend from Pablos?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7B5E5B570B0302083A0 link=1339204540/14#14 date=1339383678
    whatsoever you guys recommend from Pablos?
    I drink macchiatos as that is how I like it. You drink your brew the way you prefer.

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    Re: Coffee Beans - how old is old?

    Ive found some beans are still good at the three week mark.
    What is interesting is at the Melbourne Coffee Expo I bought some coffee from a non sponsor (so I wont mention the name), they said it was roasted and packed in Feb, I was about to walk away and he said it was sealed with Nitrogen (or something like that). I took the gamble out of curiosity and I was pleasantly surprised, they were very nice.

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    Re: Coffee Beans - how old is old?

    Blokes, this really is very subjective and while we can put a kind of average age "ceiling" on this, it really depends on the type of coffee, the way it was roasted, how long it has been since roasted, HOW IT WAS PACKAGED AND FOR HOW LONG and even how we are going to brew it up and what the operators technique is in terms of individual grind and portion control for the apparatus to be used.

    So it will actually vary according to the situation.

    A coffee that you may not use in your pump driven espresso machine after an arbitrary number of weeks from the roast day, may still be good for a few more weeks for your filter machine !

    In any case one way I use is simply to smell the beans. There is a certain smell that develops with "age".

    So I dont believe you can really generalise on this and after all that, it will be up to each individuals personal opinion.....and......with regard to my reference earlier to method of packaging, you can add things like "what if" the pack was left in the heat or sunlight during the time of delivery etc. A packet of beans that has been heated up could be dead pretty much straight up, while if treated well it could be good for a much longer time.

    Too many variables that are out of your control. Which is why its good to buy from a known source.

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    Re: Coffee Beans - how old is old?

    For home use I have always found it best if they are less then a few weeks old.

    I have found that the older the beans are, the faster they deteriorate on opening the bag. Nitrogen flushing can help preserve coffee but in my experience, (worked lots with Illy) They track downhill at an alarmingly rapid pace.

    Given that most of us will be using our coffee over a period of time opening and resealing over 1-2 weeks I think its really worthwhile starting with a product slightly on the fresh side.

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    Re: Coffee Beans - how old is old?

    If packaging plays a part in preserving the freshness of the beans and once opened the beans start to deteriorate, then do the vacuum style storage containers help to preserve freshness after you have opened your vacuum sealed packages?

    Can placing them in the fridge or freezer after they are opened help?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0722272B777F7E74460 link=1339204540/19#19 date=1339621520
    Can placing them in the fridge or freezer after they are opened help?
    I think if you did a search on storing beans in a fridge/freezer you will find a variety of opinions as to whether this is a good option or not. The topic rears its head regularly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 6144414D11191812200 link=1339204540/19#19 date=1339621520
    Can placing them in the fridge or freezer after they are opened help?
    NO!!

    Due to the forces of nature (i.e. condensation), the act of taking out the beans and putting back in produces moisture on the bag. Moisture and coffee beans do not go well together at the time of storage. Yes, I know this goes against what many commercial coffee packages tell you.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Definately NOT THE FRIDGE OR FREEZER even in QLD!



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