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    Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Guys,

    My friend took the risk of ordering coffee beans of Indonesian origin from Barneys New York, and had them shipped to OZ, kinda travelled the world already huh.

    ANyway, the beans turned out to be surprisingly fresh, as fresh as, if not fresher than the 1kg beans youd get from Woolies off the shelf.

    Crema was thick and tasted creamy, as the beans were packed in a vacuum bag (this method is rare and almost unseen in Australia), no air present in the packaging, hence no oxidation. I dont know how they did it.

    Now, while they offer free shipping until 23rd June 2012, 1lb (~450g) of beans cost about $16-18.

    In order not to breach the site rules, I have deleted the prices and link to protect everyones interest.

    I hope my first coffeesnobs contribution helps!

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    which one did you try?

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    International shipping is fine (but risky if you dont know the product !) ..it only takes a few days,* ...but I am trying to understand how /why you vacuum pack fresh roasted beans that naturally produce gas for some time after roasting ???
    A better method would be Nitrogen purged packing.
    no air present in the packaging, hence no oxidation.
    .. its impossible to vac extract all the air from a pack of beans..50% of the volume is in the spaces between the beans.

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 4F21616D620C0 link=1339687495/1#1 date=1339714377
    which one did you try?

    I tried the espresso blend.

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    You might want to read the site rules re posting commercial links to non-sponsors.....just saying.

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Please find attached the pictures.

    Regarding the vacuum pack and freshness, the coffee beans mustve been roasted and aired for 3-4 days prior to being vacuum packed, because freshly roasted coffee releases gas (mostly CO2) most quickly in the first few days.

    If you look closely, there is a one-way valve on the packaging, therefore, it means the beans havent been releasing much gases yet, judging by its brick-like compactness.

    In my honest opinion, this is a better way of packaging, as it is just as good, compact, easier for mass transportation.

    This is getting interesting, as I went on and on digging out information about the debate on packing with vacuum or nitro.

    A good article to ponder below:
    http://agoodkeensavage.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/why-i-stopped-packaging-our-coffee-in-one-way-valves/










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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    More pictures, and a shot of the blend.






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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Where is the roast date?

    Roasted in Seattle, shipped to New York before shipping to you. I doubt these are very fresh.

    Quote Originally Posted by 606660606E665861666966736E64070 link=1339687495/5#5 date=1339729974
    Regarding the vacuum pack
    Lower pressure air freight has sucked all the air out of the valve, I dont think they would have vac-packed them.

    With free freight the price is ok, not really much cheaper per kilo than local product which will be better and fresher with a known roast date and less air miles.

    Support your local roaster instead!

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Not sure if its due to your method, your machine or the beans, but that picture of the extraction is not a good advertisement. A rather pale and weak looking crema.

    Quote Originally Posted by 0728223F460 link=1339687495/7#7 date=1339735248
    Support your local roaster instead!
    Hear! Hear!

    GrahamK

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Agree,

    You get what you pay for, and no doubt the beans will not be as fresh as those locally sourced.

    I know how the local industry feels when the overseas internet retail is hurting the local economy. And yet no one stood up and price match them to protect our local/family establishments.

    Being a barista myself, I dont understand why the packaging method above is not practised in Australia. Its just so much easier to hold 10 bricks of beans instead of 10 bags of them on your own, esp when youre working at a busy cafe.

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Where is the roast date?
    Support your local roaster instead!
    ...that picture of the extraction is not a good advertisement


    Couldnt agree more with these comments!

    Now, fresh coffee time!
    :D

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 6F5A4940494563280 link=1339687495/8#8 date=1339737169
    A rather pale and weak looking crema.

    Yes, spot on!! I was actually waiting for someone to comment on this.

    In actuality, the grind size was off by heaps! My Quaha Napoletanas grinder jammed at grind size number 4, and it couldnt go lower. I believe it happened after I replaced my gasket and cleaned my grouphead, the machine was tilted upside down where beans probably jammed it. This has been like this for days and that needs to be fixed when I get home this evening.

    Anyone knows how to properly disassemble a Quaha Napoletana or a Lelit equivalent?

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 0600060608003E07000F00150802610 link=1339687495/9#9 date=1339738640
    I know how the local industry feels when the overseas internet retail is hurting the local economy
    Actually buying roasted beans locally is more about common sense than a policy statement about buying overseas.

    GrahamK

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 1326353C35391F540 link=1339687495/12#12 date=1339743536
    Actually buying roasted beans locally is more about common sense than a policy statement about buying overseas.
    Yup! Aint dat da truth! ::)

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    I wonder if they could send me a ham sandwich. ::)

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Ill pass thanks - unless Barney wants to send Betty over to home deliver the coffee in person (and stay for a while ;D).

    That said, given the site owner is a roaster and in the interests of being respectful and thankful...but perhaps thats just me. ::)

    We have exceptional coffee and way too many great roasters here. Show a little respect mate. >:(

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 535553535D556B52555A55405D57340 link=1339687495/9#9 date=1339738640
    You get what you pay for, and no doubt the beans will not be as fresh as those locally sourced.
    So why would you post this here unless you were trolling?

    The market is flooded with cheap coffee options. Some are drinkable, some are nasty and rarely are any of them good but they dont cost much.

    You can buy coffee for $14/kg but dont expect to be excited by the results in the cup.

    Quote Originally Posted by 535553535D556B52555A55405D57340 link=1339687495/9#9 date=1339738640
    I know how the local industry feels when the overseas internet retail is hurting the local economy. And yet no one stood up and price match them to protect our local/family establishments.
    Price match? How about a quality and price match?

    US$18 a pound is AU$40/kg plus a dollar or two more in conversion fees.

    Ill happily send you old coffee for $42/kg with free freight but dont expect our name on the packet.
    ;D

    ...or for $46 Ill send 1kg of fresh roasted to order coffee and it will arrive 1 day after roasting.

    In fact being in Melbourne you can use a courier for $2 less so could have 1kg of coffee delivered overnight to your door for $44.25

    What you bought wasnt cheap, wasnt fresh and wasnt good.

    Quote Originally Posted by 535553535D556B52555A55405D57340 link=1339687495/9#9 date=1339738640
    Being a barista myself
    ...you really should clean your machine more often and heat the Bodums before using them.

    Quote Originally Posted by 535553535D556B52555A55405D57340 link=1339687495/9#9 date=1339738640
    I dont understand why the packaging method above is not practised in Australia
    You can get them if you want. The side gusset bags are cheaper than stand-up valve bags with the ziplock and as I said above... the "brick" is because they were in a low pressure cargo hold on the flight over.

    I hope Barney sends you a pound for the free ad too.

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Andy, the problems Ive found with some local coffee companies is:
    1 - They wont ship to the public.
    2 - When you have to buy through retail the stock is often past ideal dates.
    3 - Prices can be ridiculous ($55+ per kg!).

    I am guilty of never having ordered from BeanBay, however when I look at what is on offer the prices are very good and lets be honest, I dont think you would be selling sub par crap.

    There is a roaster in Melbourne whos coffee I really liked at the MICE, after three Emails and 6 phone calls trying to find some (because they dont sell direct) Ive given up. Perhaps as part of your Bean Bay you might consider offering some of the sponsors coffees too?

    Regards,
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5E61654E7D6D6F67080 link=1339687495/17#17 date=1340246123
    Andy, the problems Ive found with some local coffee companies is:1 - They wont ship to the public.2 - When you have to buy through retail the stock is often past ideal dates.3 - Prices can be ridiculous ($55+ per kg!).
    Hi Ross
    Im in Perth and there isnt allot of choice but enough with some roasters offering generous postage prices and collection from others, with good quality beans ranging from $29-$45 per kg avilable and some allot more. I know of a couple Melbourne roasters which sell to the public and also post at a fair price. I think its just a matter of searching.
    Dont hesitate to give bean bay a try either. Im trying Andys Peru Ceja de Selva Estate at the moment and Im very impressed being my first purchase from him

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Quote Originally Posted by 4A75715A69797B731C0 link=1339687495/17#17 date=1340246123
    There is a roaster in Melbourne whos coffee I really liked at the MICE, after three Emails and 6 phone calls trying to find some (because they dont sell direct) Ive given up. Perhaps as part of your Bean Bay you might consider offering some of the sponsors coffees too?
    Some roasters may only sell direct to clients, and allow their clients to retail the product.
    A Roaster selling another Roasters product is fraught with problems and in my opinion a complete waste of time. Most of the sponsors here will sell you roasted coffee via their website.
    Use google and you can find a multitude of roasters offering coffee online. And yes there are other forums and coffee roasters (who are not sponsors) who offer good quality roasted coffee for sale to the public. Part of the coffee journey is to try as many as possible of the amazing coffees out there.
    I buy freshly roasted coffee from a few sources overseas (as well as locally), and it arrives in perfect condition and ready to use, usually 7-9 days post roast. I find this perfect, as coffee younger than this needs to settle (for my palate). I buy from overseas, not because of price, but to try blends and coffee not available here. I buy chocolates from Belgium for the same reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by 7B7D7B7B757D437A7D727D68757F1C0 link=1339687495/9#9 date=1339738640
    I know how the local industry feels when the overseas internet retail is hurting the local economy. And yet no one stood up and price match them to protect our local/family establishments.
    With all due respect, to ask someone to price match a product, the product (or specifications) must be identical. With coffee that is difficult as there are too many variables. I hope you enjoyed your coffee, but personally, given the effort, there are many other companies that I would* have brought from. Though this may be a plug for B**** of NY, I think it clearly demonstrated who to avoid. Had the product been one that was exemplary (say a blend that was used in the* WBC), I think it would have been discussed differently.

    As to your question re the machine repair, once again use google, or take the machine to your nearest repair centre, as some DIY repair can cost you dearly.

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    When my current batch of coffee runs out (maybe by next weekend) Im going to give the BeanBay Espresso Wow! and Organic a go. Its not often I get excited like a 7 year kid at Christmas these days, but getting a new espresso blend to try does rekindle some of that fire :D

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Wow, I am terribly sorry to have amassed so many replies and criticisms.
    Quote Originally Posted by 614E4459200 link=1339687495/16#16 date=1339751896
    So why would you post this here unless you were trolling?
    I am terribly sorry and I will not post further info as such on coffeesnobs in the future. And no, Barney did not send him free beans!

    Ditto VimFuego, I hope BeanBay can reach out to more people by doing that. I sure will check out BeanBays beans soon!

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    Re: Bean recommendation - Barneys New York FREE SHIPPING until 23June2012

    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    You live in Melbourne, the coffee capital of Australia.

    Its plenty easy to find good quality coffee beans 8-)



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