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    I bought some flat whites at a coffee shop the other day. On the wall was a sign that said (paraphrased) - "Due to industry regulation our coffee is served at 60 degrees. If you want it hotter please tell the assistant." :-?

    60 degrees! It was cold before I got to the bottom of the cup. >:(

    This sounds like BS to me! Does anybody know if this true or just a money saver. My daughter works in the industry and she has heard nothing of this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 6B474744474744496C5A4D494541464F280 link=1340165357/0#0 date=1340165357
    I bought some flat whites at a coffee shop the other day. On the wall was a sign that said (paraphrased) - "Due to industry regulation our coffee is served at 60 degrees. If you want it hotter please tell the assistant." :-?

    60 degrees! It was cold before I got to the bottom of the cup. >:(

    This sounds like BS to me! Does anybody know if this true or just a money saver. My daughter works in the industry and she has heard nothing of this.
    What temperature does your daughter serve it at?

    Milk is sweeter between 60 to 65 degrees, so there is a preference for anyone who cares about the taste of the coffee presented, to be at that temperature.* Its meant to be served at a temperature that can be drunk immediately, and there would be concern not to serve coffee at a temperature that might burn someone.

    I dont understand how you think it would save them money by not heating the milk more.

    So you have two options.* Either drink your coffee faster, or as the sign says, "If you want it hotter please tell the assistant."

    ps. milk doesnt burn at 60-65, but I do feel that it begins to thin out in texture as it goes beyond that temperature.

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    Unfortunately, the general public has been conditioned to drink coffee boiling hot and it comes from the instant coffees and cafes that serves mediocre coffee. Not too long ago I was at a small town and found a coffee house that roasted their own coffee beans. They were the only cafe that served their coffee at the right temperature in that town - not scalding hot and burnt, but unfortunately they were not as popular as the ones that did burn their coffee and served it blistering hot. I think there was only one other table at the time whereas the other cafes (which I tried) were packed.
    I complimented the owner/barista and he lamented about how in this town not many people appreciated the temperature side of things. They liked his coffee but often bring it back because it was not "hot". If the town had more young people they might thrive but the older generations still like their coffees hot...like my father, but he acknowledge the difference, at least in taste. If you like it hot, maybe go tea or a hot cocoa. ;)

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    I wasnt too worried about the temperature of the coffee except that I do like it a bit hotter than 60. I actually didnt ask to have it hotter because I wanted to see what it was like.

    My concern was with the statement about "industry regulation". If the shop-owner wants to sell coffee at what is felt to be the best temperature why not just say so. Which is why I want to know if anyone knows if the "industry regulation" bit is true.

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    No, there are no legal regulations regarding milk temp served in coffee. Imagine what a pot of tea would be like!

    Of course, there might exist some regulations within an organisation or franchise. Im not sure, but think McDonalds might be an example where they have a policy in place due to a drive through scalding some years ago in the USA.

    Otherwise, the sign could easily have come about due to what so often happens with things relating to coffee - urban myth becomes a truth.

    Some reading here: http://www.smartlid.com/CH8CoffeeCouncilScald.pdf

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    I remember reading when McDonalds were sued following a drive through coffee scalding case in the USA, they admitted their policy was to serve very hot coffee, too hot to drink, to reduce the demand for free refills from their bottomless pots of coffee.

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    sometimes it could be a psychological thing, Ive been to some places whereby their baristas just heat up the cup with hot water before pulling the shot.

    One of my friends was complaining that the coffee in Italy was too strong and how he wished there was starbucks there. Ahhh the powers of marketing :).



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