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    It's happened again!!

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    So I order my beans - Espresso WOW and after the 6th day, nothing I do makes them taste any good. The pour goes white and thin and it keeps happening time and time again.

    I keep saying that it has to be my technique but the same occurrence time and time again. Days 4 and 5 are fantastic.

    So whats going on here? Tell me straight

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    How are you storing your beans?

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    That would be my guess too: storage. Ensure the Wow is stored in its zip lock bag and only take out enough for making coffee at one time. When finished removing the required amount of beans, ensure the zip lock is fully closed, squeeze out any any air and store it in a cool dark cupboard.
    If you are already doing that, another suggestion is to buy some 250g zip-lock bags when you next order from Bean Bay. When you receive your 500g of Wow, fill up one bag and put it aside. Those beans won't be as exposed to air by the constant opening and closing.
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    Hey Catch-22,
    As well as the storage issue....are you adjusting your grind as the beans age (I'm guessing you probably have from the 'nothing i do makes them good' bit)?Is the flow rate / delay on the pour similar to that on day 4?

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    It's happened again!!

    Can i suggest that you are probably starting too early and the beans will just be getting ready by day 6

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.a.j.pickering View Post
    Can i suggest that you are probably starting too early and the beans will just be getting ready by day 6
    The OP claimed
    Days 4 and 5 are fantastic

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    Yeah cheers Flynn. I find they are optimal at 4 to 5 days. Usually when I make Ristrettos. Doubles. Just brilliant.

    I store the beans in the 1kg gold bag they come in. Pour a handful in the Rocky, close back up then back in to the cupboard.

    I'll try a few more different techniques tomorrow morning and see how I go.

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    It's happened again!!

    The point I was making is the period of most rapid change is in the first 5 days as they degas

    If you set your grind etc during this period no wonder you are not getting good results later

    Maybe it is your taste, you like the undeveloped flavour you get early with the very gasses crema etc

    Personally I believe your missing the best of a coffee if you drink it that close to its roast

    But after all it your taste not anyone else

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    Hi Catch, I use WOW every alternate load of beans and have been doing so for years. I love 'em.
    Mine are very consistent right up to about 6 weeks after roast.
    Because I live in a hot climate I store them in their foil bag, then a cotton CS bag in the bottom of the fridge.
    Early blonding suggests problems other than bean related, but does not explain why you get a "good" pour in the first 6 days.
    Maybe your arm is getting tired by day 6 and you are not tamping hard enough!
    I have never adjusted my grind to the age of the bean. Never felt the need to.
    The character of a bean is certainly different immediately after roasting for a week or so and I can only think you are noticing that.
    There is no reason that a given bean would start to pour thin and nasty on cue at day 6.
    Do you have the same problem with other beans?

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    good point I should check with other beans but from memory its much of the same - again, pointing away from the beans being the issue and a lack of skill being the issue.

    I'll try some different things this morning and see how I go. I know I made a coffee for my mother in law yesterday and it poured thin and was bitter.

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    The fluctuation between 'good' & 'bad' pours does sound more like operator variation (i.e. grind & tamp inconsistency from pour to pour)
    Machine temperature fluctuation can also produce a lot of difference from pour to pour, so it is always worth thinking about how & when you flush.
    Mother in Law coffee is always 'thin & bitter'.

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    Well, still just not working. Tried different things. TBH, I pretty over it. There is not much worse than making a crappy cup of coffee.

    I'm off the the local for a cup....

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    Starts coming out thin nearly instantly. Not honey type consistency seen on day 5...

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    The 'thinness' can be due to stale beans but I would expect that beans that are less than 2 weeks old wouldn't be stale unless stored wrongly. Sounds more like your technique.
    What equipment are you using? (machine and grinder)
    What is the puck like after the pour?

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    And how much are you dosing and into what size basket?

    Roughly how much brewed coffee is extracted in what time?

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    Catch, from memory you have a Rocky and a Gaggia Classic, but going by previous posts, you have always struggled to get a consistent shot from these .
    I suspect there is a problem with one or other of these machine's ( my guess is the Gaggia) so you may want to get them checked out professionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    Catch, from memory you have a Rocky and a Gaggia Classic, but going by previous posts, you have always struggled to get a consistent shot from these .
    I suspect there is a problem with one or other of these machine's ( my guess is the Gaggia) so you may want to get them checked out professionally.
    Your memory serves you well. I might just buy another new unit. Was thinking a Silvia or whatever they call them.

    My level of patients probably has 'something' to do with it also. The more I think about it the more I think it's the machine as I've had it for some time now and my shots are certainly getting worse. My understanding and tchnique must have improved. The tone of the Gaggia when pulling a shot has certainly changed.

    Flynn this answers your questions too me thinks

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    I would tighten the grind up and see if you can try and get some more velvety shots coming out. I find that I do have to tighten the grind over the course of time with most beans to maintain a very consistent syrupy flow from the group head. Try tightening the grind to the point of almost choking the machine and if that does not provide any improvement in the shots then you may very well have a machine issue (Rocky Grinder or Gaggia).

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    I tightened it this morning. Took about 10 seconds to 15 before it started pouring. Motor was an uneven noise like a sinusoidal Wave. Still came out thin after the first few drops and didn't taste good at all.

    A good tradesman never blames the tools but in this case, i think I should

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    I would be interested to see what sort of pressure it is running through the group head. Not being familiar with your machine, I am unable to comment further.

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    Yeah me too. I'd like to find out. But time and effort to take it somewhere, have it tested, repaired, dropped back, might be more cost effective to buy a brand new 2012 model with warrantee....

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    Quote Originally Posted by catch-22 View Post
    ... might be more cost effective to buy a brand new 2012 model with warrantee....
    be aware.... the warranty is not likely to cover the quality of the brewed coffee !
    ..so choose carefully.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    be aware.... the warranty is not likely to cover the quality of the brewed coffee !
    ..so choose carefully.
    Haha....

    doing some reading now



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