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    Espresso machine frenzy.

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    Watching the box last night, channel 9 cricket, Hardly normal are advertising an espresso machine frenzy (crikey ain't that original) went along the lines of come and enjoy a coffee made by one of our barista's, all of the best machines available, then lists approx half a dozen commercial machine brands.
    Wish I lived a little closer to the smoke, would drop in and check em out, perhaps someone else can drop in for a look and report back.

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    yeah they are feeling the pinch as can be seen from their never ending advertising frenzy. Their ads are a barometer of what's going on in the market......as caused by the "times are tough" school of journalism continually talking down the economy.

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    So was anyone game to try the product produced by their "baristas"?

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    I didn’t try them.

    My closest HN died a few months ago.

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    There should be some sort of bravery award for sampling coffee from a HN "barista".
    I wouldn't trust myself to be courteous about the output.
    (mental picture of going PUFFTT!! and spitting the shot on the "barista's" foot)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    There should be some sort of bravery award for sampling coffee from a HN "barista".
    I wouldn't trust myself to be courteous about the output.
    (mental picture of going PUFFTT!! and spitting the shot on the "barista's" foot)
    Well now, perhaps the age of cuspidors isn't dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    There should be some sort of bravery award for sampling coffee from a HN "barista".
    I wouldn't trust myself to be courteous about the output.
    (mental picture of going PUFFTT!! and spitting the shot on the "barista's" foot)
    Well, I have been looking around trying to find the appropriate section to pose my question. Still haven't found it, but this seems a good jumping in point.

    I wrote a little while ago about having received a Bosch VeroBar 100 TES70129RP with my kitchen. The plan was to sell it as well as my Silvia and buy a Breville double boiler.

    So, I put it on evilBay (as well as about a dozen other people who obviously got the same deal as I did) The machine is supposed to be worth around $2000 (it has actually gone down in price since I've had it) but no one managed to sell it for more then $700, if at all. I held off putting the ad on, waiting for Xmas, hoping that there may be more buyers then. Meanwhile I was watching the same people putting their ads back on, reducing their prices each time, and not succeeding. I put in on just before Xmas, no luck. I did get one offer, but I wasn't willing to part with it for that much.

    I then started thinking. Old age and various ailments are catching up with me, so my hands are basically stuffed. Some days I have trouble attaching the portafilter to my Silvia. I actually managed to pull a tendon doing it the other morning. The thought occurred to me that things will probably get worse as time goes on, so I started thinking that perhaps I should keep the Bosch?

    I looked everywhere, couldn't find any reviews about it (I did find a German Forum, but as I don't speak German...) So, I phoned Bosch to find out if they are being demonstrated anywhere? Turned out good old HN was, but only at Fountain Gate. So, (do I get the bravery award?) I drove to Fountain Gate and was given a Gawd awful cup of coffee.

    I had a good look at the coveted Breville while I was there and came home. (I gave the "barista" info about the Breville that she didn't know. For instance, she didn't know that descaling was a service item) On the way home it occurred to me that the bad coffee may not have been the machine's fault, it may have been the coffee used and the operator.

    So, I really need advice, please. Don't know what to do. Does anyone here know this machine? I did find a video
    Bosch VeroBar Coffeemaker. - YouTube I don't want to give up on having a good cup of coffee, but there is no way I can find out if it is possible to make one on this machine without opening the box and trying, but then of course it can no longer be sold as a new machine.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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    Good morning.

    First let me preface that all this is only my opinion, however it may help you make a decision that is right for you.

    You have a Silvia. In view of your situation, why look at a brev dual boiler? As far as I can see, the bottom line difference between silvia and brev is that one of them offers steam on demand and the other doesnt (meaning there are a couple of extra toggle switch pushing steps in silvia to get steam). But the rest of the modus operandi is the same (?).....both by all accounts offer ability to make great quality coffee, both are "coveted" & one of them has a long history. In that case, what is it that you are looking for by stepping from the silvia to the brev? In view of your circumstances, will it be significantly easier to lock the group handle onto the brev and or will it offer you any other advantages, over the silvia?

    Marketing is a wonderful thing. What is the true ("street") value of the Bosch? It certainly isnt anywhere near $2000.00 when you make a private sale even if it was never removed from its box, because for a start you are unable offer a new machine manufacturer guarantee when you onsell it OR if you are (by virtue of never having completed and sent in the original warranty card thereby allowing the next owner to do so), your client doesnt have the "level of trust" in you that they will get when buying new from a shop front be it HN or some other. You are only making a private sale from some auction site. And of course the bosch coffee machine may not be a commonly recognized brand of coffee machine here..... Ergo, what is the true street value of your machine, and my guess is it is whatever you and your client can both be happy with. The trouble, given the circumstances of the sale (new machine but private sale instead of a business sale), is finding a client who is prepared to take on the circumstances, and to do that the price probably has to be realistically low.

    That said, from an electrical appliance point of view, bosch has a very good name and there is no reason why their automatic coffee machine shouldnt work just like any other good name automatic coffee machine, and while I dont have any knowledge about it, I think your observation about having been made an aweful cup of coffee is correct, and that is that it was probably the operator's fault.

    So....if you want to know whether to keep the bosch or not, you need to know whether you can live with a WELL MADE automatic machine coffee, and that is when made by an operator that knows how to manage the equipment. When well made, coffee made with an auto is not aweful....its just different....it doesnt have the strength or body of an spresso made with your silvia, which is also different from the type of espresso made with a stove top espresso machine, which doesnt have the same character as an espresso made with a lever machine, etc etc etc. They are all different interpretations of espresso, and they dont all end up the same even if using the same bag of beans. A well made coffee from an auto, is noticeably more mellow overall than that with your silvia. Anything other than that or "gawd aweful", hasnt been well made and is not the machine's fault. It means the operator doesnt understand the equipment and hasnt been able to set it properly to get the best result (exactly the same problem as with conventional - non auto esp equipment). And of course you should look at the type of coffee used, but that is secondary to the operators level of expertise.

    The rest all subject to your individual circumstances and preferences, and I hope that helps.

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    csutak - Here is your Bravery Award



    The Award depicts a brave (but foolish) CSr being airlifted out of the 'sea of mediocrity' for medical treatment, having consumed a 'coffee' produced by a "barista" employed as a salesperson by a large retail chain.
    The large number of people in the circular liferaft have abandoned ship (given up instant coffee) but have not yet found salvation (in the form of quality coffee from a good machine)
    You have been lucky and are probably going to make it (thanks to Attilio's advice)
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    Firstly, thank you very much for taking the time to answer in such detail

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee View Post
    Good morning.

    First let me preface that all this is only my opinion, however it may help you make a decision that is right for you.

    You have a Silvia. In view of your situation, why look at a brev dual boiler? As far as I can see, the bottom line difference between silvia and brev is that one of them offers steam on demand and the other doesnt (meaning there are a couple of extra toggle switch pushing steps in silvia to get steam). But the rest of the modus operandi is the same (?).....both by all accounts offer ability to make great quality coffee, both are "coveted" & one of them has a long history. In that case, what is it that you are looking for by stepping from the silvia to the brev? In view of your circumstances, will it be significantly easier to lock the group handle onto the brev and or will it offer you any other advantages, over the silvia?
    I realise that both machines have the same sort of system as far as locking the group handle is concerned. I have been in denial about my hand problems and do manage most days. It was my son who made me think about the fact that my hands may get worse. I have been procrastinating about adding a PID to the Silvia for ages (it is 7 years old ) so, the reason I have been thinking about the Breville is because I think that Miss Silvia is now too old to make it worth spending more money on her. And, the dual boiler is also tempting, as is the fact that it turns itself off. I must be developing Alzheimers as well, seem to forget to turn Miss Silvia off quite often (or, turn it on to make a cup, then get distracted and forget)

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee View Post
    Ergo, what is the true street value of your machine, and my guess is it is whatever you and your client can both be happy with. The trouble, given the circumstances of the sale (new machine but private sale instead of a business sale), is finding a client who is prepared to take on the circumstances, and to do that the price probably has to be realistically low.
    Would you be able to give me an idea what you would consider to be realistic? Most of the ads started at around $1600, then kept going down. Some got withdrawn permanently, and most sold for around $600. ONE sold for $1200, but that was an anomaly.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fresh_Coffee View Post
    So....if you want to know whether to keep the bosch or not, you need to know whether you can live with a WELL MADE automatic machine coffee
    That is my problem, trying to imagine what that would taste like, whether I could live with that. I have tasted pod coffee and I KNOW that I wouldn't be happy with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    csutak - Here is your Bravery Award



    The Award depicts a brave (but foolish) CSr being airlifted out of the 'sea of mediocrity' for medical treatment, having consumed a 'coffee' produced by a "barista" employed as a salesperson by a large retail chain.
    The large number of people in the circular liferaft have abandoned ship (given up instant coffee) but have not yet found salvation (in the form of quality coffee from a good machine)
    You have been lucky and are probably going to make it (thanks to Attilio's advice)
    Thank you very much for my award



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