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    Help stopping me from doing something that I might regret.

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    Hi all.
    I have been a member for a while but never posted.
    I have loved coffee for many years and drink it regularly, mostly purchased in good coffee shops.
    I have had a few machines but since about late 2007, I purchased my Self a Vibiemme Domobar, I think and a Mini Mazzer grinder.
    I also have some special containers to store my beans which are air tight with a valve on top to extract the air with a special vacuum pump.
    Now, with all this gear, I know that it's capabilities are quite good but the outcome will vary on my ability and the ability of maintaining my coffee fresh.
    I try many different shops with different results and most recently been extremely disappointed.
    I now reach a cross roads on what direction to go. I will either give up and sell my gear and buy this new craze of coffee pods, or invest in a coffee roaster. I have never tried to make a coffee with my machine with home roasted beans or had a try of some.
    What I am trying to get from this post is someone that roasts his/hers own beans that are willing to sell me a small sample of freshly roasted beans, so that I can both try it on my machine and see the difference in taste, and also the way it extracts from my machine. I appreciate that all beans are different and the way people roast are also different but I am hoping to be able to see past that and then decide which way to go
    so, after all this, if you think that you can assist and if what I am asking is not excessive, please reply t this post with some feedback.
    I am located in Melbourne.
    Thank you.

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    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs Letoy.

    Melbourne being the self proclaimed coffee capital of Oz I suspect you will receive lots of helpful advice from Melb based snobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Welcome to CoffeeSnobs Letoy.

    Melbourne being the self proclaimed coffee capital of Oz I suspect you will receive lots of helpful advice from Melb based snobs.
    Hey mate. Thanks for that. Lets hope so. hehehe

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    Why not try buying some roasted beans from BeanBay? If you do end up roasting your own you may well end up buying green beans from there so it is a good opportunity to try them first. Also the beans are freshly roasted to order.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eltoro View Post
    Why not try buying some roasted beans from BeanBay? If you do end up roasting your own you may well end up buying green beans from there so it is a good opportunity to try them first. Also the beans are freshly roasted to order.
    Hello.
    You know that only after posting this thread, did I think of looking for that. I am currently looking in the store and in the process of trying the sample pack.
    Thank you for that anyway.

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    Hi Letoy,

    You have a great machine and grinder- but I am not a fan of vac. storage for beans at all. My opinion is that you suck all the goodness out of the bean. An airtight container in a cool dark place is best. If your coffee comes in a zip lock bag, just remove the excess air and pop it in a cool cupboard.

    Tell you what. How about 1/2 hour of hands-on training on the house with me? I guarantee you that a small time commitment will change your thoughts on your combo and produce coffee as good, if not better than 90% of what's available in Melbourne and have you back in tune with your machine.

    Let me know via email if you're interested.

    Chris

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letoy View Post
    Hello.
    You know that only after posting this thread, did I think of looking for that. I am currently looking in the store and in the process of trying the sample pack.
    Thank you for that anyway.
    Good move, was going to suggest the sample pack, however from the tone of your original post thought perhaps 1kg may be more than you required.
    Just goes to show, you should never assume anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Hi Letoy,

    You have a great machine and grinder.

    Tell you what. How about 1/2 hour on the house with me? I guarantee you will change your thoughts on your combo and produce coffee as good, if not better than 90% of what's available in Melbourne.

    Let me know via email if you're interested.

    Chris
    Crikey, that's a generous offer Chris, you'd be mad not to take it up Letoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Good move, was going to suggest the sample pack, however from the tone of your original post thought perhaps 1kg may be more than you required.
    Just goes to show, you should never assume anything.
    Hi,
    You are quite right in regards to the quantity. Because I will end up wasting most of it as I just don't drink enough of it to consume it while still fresh. But hopefully, it will give me a taste for real freshly roasted coffee. I am certain that I have never had it.
    Having said that, I am still keen on buying a small quantity from a home roasted coffee to see if there is a difference. Then, hopefully, I will decide to keep my equipment and decide on a roasting machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letoy View Post
    Hi,

    Having said that, I am still keen on buying a small quantity from a home roasted coffee to see if there is a difference. Then, hopefully, I will decide to keep my equipment and decide on a roasting machine.
    Just keep in mind that home roasters are like their commercial counterparts, some good, some not so good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Hi Letoy,

    You have a great machine and grinder- but I am not a fan of vac. storage for beans at all. My opinion is that you suck all the goodness out of the bean. An airtight container in a cool dark place is best. If your coffee comes in a zip lock bag, just remove the excess air and pop it in a cool cupboard.

    Tell you what. How about 1/2 hour of hands-on training on the house with me? I guarantee you that a small time commitment will change your thoughts on your combo and produce coffee as good, if not better than 90% of what's available in Melbourne and have you back in tune with your machine.

    Let me know via email if you're interested.

    Chris
    Hi Chris,
    I will take your offer on, thank you very much.
    Also, I am sure that I purchased my very first coffee machine from you many years ago. trying to think of the brand but for the life of me, can't remember.
    Anyway, Should I email your from you site email address?
    Thank you again.
    Fernando.

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    A few weeks ago, I purchased some (Fresh) coffee beans and grinded from a coffee place at Chadstone Shoping Center. I asked the operator for a suggestion on something that wasn't too bitter and that produced nice cream. I went with his suggestion and asked him for 250 grams grounded and 250 grams in beans. I wanted to compare the grinds from what they do and the coarseness of my home grind.
    To say that I was disappointed, it's a understatement. The coffee must of been stale of whatever. It would just run through like water, no matter how much pressure I tamped it with.
    This was with the one that he grounded for me. I then try and grind my own but the results were just as bad. I know that I am not a expert but I have managed to extract nice coffees over the years with coffee purchased off the shelf.
    Where did I go wrong? No idea. $30 down the drain. hehehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letoy View Post
    Where did I go wrong? No idea. $30 down the drain. hehehe
    I'm sure all will be revealed after your session with Chris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letoy View Post
    A few weeks ago, I purchased some (Fresh) coffee beans and grinded from a coffee place at Chadstone Shooping Center. I asked the operator for a suggestion on something that wasn't too bitter and that produced nice cream. I went with his suggestion and asked him for 250 grams grounded and 250 grams in beans. I wanted to compare the grinds from what they do and the coarseness of my home grind.
    To say that I was disappointed, it's a understatement. The coffee must of been stale of whatever. It would just run through like water, no matter how much pressure I tamped it with.
    This was with the one that he grounded for me. I then try and grind my own but the results were just as bad. I know that I am not a expert but I have managed to extract nice coffees over the years with coffee purchased off the shelf.
    Where did I go wrong? No idea. $30 down the drain. hehehe
    $30 for 500g of coffee? I thinks that's where you went wrong.
    And if the shop had the word 'shack' in the name, also there!

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    It is difficult to get good results with pre ground coffee. It goes stale quicker and the longer the time from roasting the finer the grind has to be to get a good result.

    Barry

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letoy View Post
    A few weeks ago, I purchased some (Fresh) coffee beans and grinded from a coffee place at Chadstone Shoping Center.
    If it's the place that sells them out of buckets, they too would have been stale

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    If it's the place that sells them out of buckets, they too would have been stale
    You are right. Out of big glass dispensers. Last time I buy from there.

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    I know the place, its a disappointment to see there beans sitting there like they are. Not sure if we can mentioned there name or not though....


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    Quote Originally Posted by coffeechris View Post
    "Not sure if we can mentioned there name or not though...."

    I think we better not. hehehe

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    They have some nice machines there though, unfortunately not for a nice competitive price..

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    I know exactly who you're talking about, they also have an outlet at highpoint now in the new food court

    Seeing the poor beans out in the open makes me a sad panda

    the bf remarked I shold try them, let me say me response taught him a thing or 2 about bean storage...

    i'm interested to hear how things go after you pop by Chris' for your training, he's a top guy

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    And if the shop had the word 'shack' in the name, also there!
    So the story goes... my (then) 9 year old son was walking through a shopping centre with us when he burst into uncontrolable laughter, true doubled over with tears in his eyes after seeing the funniest shop name ever. Nut Sack. Forever more we poke him in the ribs when walking past and remind him.

    I know exactly who you're talking about, they also have an outlet at highpoint now in the new food court
    Is that Jasper? I walked past one of those at Chadstone late last year. The prices for some of the beans in open (sneeze) buckets shocked me as much as the fact that the health inspector would let them sell like that in the open. Still, I can't imagine how much rent they have to pay for that space so their pricing needs to be high.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    "......Is that Jasper? I walked past one of those at Chadstone late last year....".
    You would be right to assume that. I did get mine from the glass dispenser at least, instead of the ones with all the sneezed over.
    I have purchased you sample pack on sunday. Hoping to see it today or so and hopefully will have the chance of trying it today/tomorrow.

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    yes Andy you would be correct

    tried their beans once and not again (this was many years ago before I was enlightened of the joys of fresh beans and home roasting)

    @ Andy you have a cheeky son, but i'm sure I would make the same joke and i'm 29 going on 30

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    Just received my sample pack this morning.
    Looking foward to get home tonight to try it.
    Thank you for the fast delivery.

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    Last night I tried the new beans.
    Here's a link to a small video that I made. Please note that this was only the second coffee and I have adjusted the grinder or anything. I think that it might be extracting the coffee a bit quick and maybe a bit light but very impressed so far.
    Vibiemme - YouTube

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letoy View Post
    Last night I tried the new beans.
    Here's a link to a small video that I made. Please note that this was only the second coffee and I have adjusted the grinder or anything. I think that it might be extracting the coffee a bit quick and maybe a bit light but very impressed so far.
    Vibiemme - YouTube
    Looks a little fast to me, is that 60ml in 16 seconds? But! The colour of the crema at the end looked nice. And the big question, is how did it taste?

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    Quote Originally Posted by David8 View Post
    Looks a little fast to me, is that 60ml in 16 seconds? But! The colour of the crema at the end looked nice. And the big question, is how did it taste?
    Yeah, around 60ml. Not that spot on but I was in a rush to try it out. Yes, a bit fast but a huge improvement from before. Need to adjust the grinder a little and get a better feel for it.
    Taste wise was also very good.

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    Bit of a gusher, but nice crema, I'd drink it. Done lots like that myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Letoy View Post
    Yeah, around 60ml. Not that spot on but I was in a rush to try it out. Yes, a bit fast but a huge improvement from before. Need to adjust the grinder a little and get a better feel for it.
    Taste wise was also very good.
    Well the taste is the main thing!

    Quote Originally Posted by Bernsbrew View Post
    Bit of a gusher, but nice crema, I'd drink it.
    Me too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernsbrew View Post
    Done lots like that myself.
    Haven't we all!

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    In any 'problem' situation, there's a lot to be said for using the ol' Problem Solving Method.
    State the problem (obvious in this case - bad coffee)
    Identify the variables (bean quality, correct grind, right tamp, machine working properly)
    Control the ones you can (bean quality is the easiest - you just buy from Beanbay - but you can control all the variables except maybe the machine itself.)
    The way it pours tells you something about the grind and or the tamp and or the temperature.
    I would start by experimenting with the grind until I got a good looking pour with roughly the right quantity and duration.
    The quickest and best solution however is a bit of time with an expert.
    We look forward to a progress report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rocky View Post
    In any 'problem' situation, there's a lot to be said for using the ol' Problem Solving Method.
    State the problem (obvious in this case - bad coffee)
    Identify the variables (bean quality, correct grind, right tamp, machine working properly)
    Control the ones you can (bean quality is the easiest - you just buy from Beanbay - but you can control all the variables except maybe the machine itself.)
    The way it pours tells you something about the grind and or the tamp and or the temperature.
    I would start by experimenting with the grind until I got a good looking pour with roughly the right quantity and duration.
    The quickest and best solution however is a bit of time with an expert.
    We look forward to a progress report.
    I have since adjusted my grind and the extraction time has now increased.
    The crema is still nice and quite of a thick consistency.
    I am currently contemplating the possibilities of taking up some training but time will tell.
    So far, just by trying these freshly roasted beans of Beenbay as given me a new interess in my machine/equipment.
    Next step will be getting my roaster.



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