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    One post wonders.

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    Have noticed a bit of a trend recently for people to sign on to Coffee Snobs then create a stir in the first couple of posts by bashing the heck out of a particular brand of machine, they then disappear into the wood work never to be seen again.

    Wonder if there needs to be a rule regarding new members posting reviews or critical threads until they have met a certain number of posts or been a member for minimum period.

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    Would that be a hard thing to monitor? Either way i fully agree, regardless of peoples belief about free speech and right to say what they want. I sometimes wonder what the reaction would be if they were speaking face to face to someone with the type of tone they use on here when posting...


    The pluses of the internet, being able to hide behind a computer saying whatever you feel....not that its a good thing.
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    The beauty of free thinking...

    People who are reading along can see for themselves that a one post wonder is just that and perhaps take more notice of those who've been here longer and have a bit more credence to their posts.

    Maybe the free thinkers of the world, who possibly don't believe everything they read on the interweb will also not believe the one post wonders.

    Not forgetting of course, the amount of members who have signed up to CS to be able to just purchase from Beanbay and never chat on the forums. So, if you notice that the time stamp of the post and the posters join date are pretty close, then your alarm bells can start going off!

    I think that there is an ignore feature here too, so feel free to make use of it! (If the mods don't get to banning the trolls first!)

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    It's a bit of a compliment to the site I guess - CS is good enough and big enough to have significant influence, so they come to post...

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    If making great coffee was easy for everybody why is so much poor coffee made commercially?

    I can understand that people buy often quite expensive machines under the impression that it will make good coffee.

    Then on getting the machine operational they discover that making very good coffee requires some knowledge and paying attention to detail.

    So now having spent a lot of money they will now actually have to learn how to use the equipment.

    this may be enormously frustrating for people who have been living in an instant gratification world who were probably expecting to turn it on and it just works.

    Many people want to believe spending lots of money makes them an expert.

    Sometimes it doesn't work this way

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    Quote Originally Posted by don_nairn View Post
    Many people want to believe spending lots of money makes them an expert.

    Sometimes it doesn't work this way
    Sometimes?


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    I always thought it came under the broader heading of "spammers"...

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    I've been accused of being a one post wonder once (not here) ... Lucky I have about four posts racked up here... It's annoying as a poster to be accused of this. Sometimes it is a burning issue or question that people have.

    I do admit the 'new grinder' thread is a bit sus.

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    Pssst... Don't look now thegoner but you've only got 1 post

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    *cries



    I think I posted a few in a section that needed 20 posts (now I see that bit).

    Anyway, found the forum has tappacrap, and I'm sure you will see the dumb questions soon.

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    Hi,
    I am new at CS, but very familiar to forum software/internet marketing.

    In my opinion, in term of "internet popularity" as in google top ranking index.. the forum will receive significant additional traffic that good for the popularity/authority of this forum - especially when then the senior member of the forum will "rectify" those erratic behaviors and "straighten" them up.... also as "warning" from all the other newbie....

    Restricting post will only make the dynamic of the forum soften... I mean some new wanna-be-coffee-aficionado could have some fresh point about unlimited number of idea/stuffs that will make the expert more expert...

    But on the other side, if it comes to well known brand, there will be some risk of litigation - but when come to this there is always be a delete button for the mod.

    If I may suggest, as we have "Like" counter already.. add "Dislike" or "Thumb Down" counter as well, and then the software can automatically hidden any thread below a threshold set by mod - hence the quality of discussion is crowd-sourced and will not burden further the moderator...

    just my 2 cents...

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    Like systems have their place in showing comments that are actively supported. Systems that allow disliking or downvoting, or rank/rep based on post popularity inevitably (in my experience) lead to abuse, especially in forums where cliques exist and the rep/downvoting is used to help perpetuate the status of those who are "in".

    I can understand it on forums where users' identities aren't so heavily tied to a given account (though I'm still of the opinion that most vocal people online are idiots, so unless your forum attracts more reasoned/mature people than not, being popular in one means very little). Not so much on a small community forum where people's accounts are more representative of the person behind them.

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    The danger of letting people censor what is visible is that 10% of people are angels, wonderful folk without whom the world would not be worth continuing; 10% of people are arseholes, absolute cretins that the removal of would automatically make the world a better place to be... and the other 80% afre in the range in between - and the relevant point is, we can find ALL those percentages in each and every person.

    Allowing dislikes to decide what can be seen performs a 'consensus-only' censoring of subjects and only popularly agreed subjects will spend much time in the light. Thus the 'wannabe-coffee-afficionado's' views would be removed from view sooner rather than later, achieving the exact opposite effect.

    Crowd sourcing is a new buzz word but in this context I doubt very much it would improve a site that is already at the top of the game... or we wouldn't be getting these one-offs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    Like systems have their place in showing comments that are actively supported. Systems that allow disliking or downvoting, or rank/rep based on post popularity inevitably (in my experience) lead to abuse, especially in forums where cliques exist and the rep/downvoting is used to help perpetuate the status of those who are "in".

    I can understand it on forums where users' identities aren't so heavily tied to a given account (though I'm still of the opinion that most vocal people online are idiots, so unless your forum attracts more reasoned/mature people than not, being popular in one means very little). Not so much on a small community forum where people's accounts are more representative of the person behind them.

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    Agree with you on this Dragunov, likes are good, a dislike button would lead to disharmony.
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    Perhaps what we need is a WTF button so that comments that are totally out there and generally lacking of anything helpful, interesting or redeeming can quickly be brought to the attention of the mods
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Perhaps what we need is a WTF button so that comments that are totally out there and generally lacking of anything helpful, interesting or redeeming can quickly be brought to the attention of the mods
    There is a report this post button (triangle with ! inside).........directly below the poster's user name and profile summary.

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    Yeah... I knew about the "Report Post" button but think that should be reserved for black & white, truly undeniable offenses against the forum or its members. A "What The?" button could be used more as a heads up for mods for posts that might be pushing the envelope of good taste or usefulness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Yeah... I knew about the "Report Post" button but think that should be reserved for black & white, truly undeniable offenses against the forum or its members. A "What The?" button could be used more as a heads up for mods for posts that might be pushing the envelope of good taste or usefulness.
    You're probably right. I don't think I've ever used the button (not since the new forum software anyway), but was assuming that there was the opportunity to put in an accompanying note (e.g. 'questionable first post' or similar)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Perhaps what we need is a WTF button so that comments that are totally out there and generally lacking of anything helpful, interesting or redeeming can quickly be brought to the attention of the mods
    Ahahah... I'm sure that the mods will appreciate the extra workload. They love trawling through extra material that may or may not require their attention.

    I don't wanna tell anyone else how to do things, buuut... a good rule of thumb is that if it isn't a clear breach of the terms of service, then the report button (that generally sends an email to all the mods and/or starts a thread in the mod-board) should be left alone. Similarly if you think something is offensive to someone else, leave it alone; they'll report it themselves if it worries them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Perhaps what we need is a WTF button so that comments that are totally out there and generally lacking of anything helpful, interesting or redeeming can quickly be brought to the attention of the mods
    Whilst I agree with the posts following...this one just tickled my fancy for some reason and made me laugh...just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scoota_gal View Post
    Whilst I agree with the posts following...this one just tickled my fancy for some reason and made me laugh...just sayin'.
    And just think of the potential... there could be an annual WTFer of the Year Award for the member who posts the greatest number of outlandish or otherworldly statements

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    Challenge accepted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    Challenge accepted.
    Bwahahaha....ahem.

    I'm not encouraging this of course.

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    You don't have to worry about me giving it a shot; I'd have far too much ground to make up on the current main contender... :P

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    ...Similarly if you think something is offensive to someone else, leave it alone; they'll report it themselves if it worries them.
    I think it is better to report it even if it ISN'T you who is affected. If it breaches, oit breaches and leaving it there can cause ongoing feuds, increasing levels of anger and other bad effects. If a post breaches the rules, or clearly is targetting to cause offence, the sooner it is out of there the better.

    Telling the Mods soonest is far better than leaving a festering wound.

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    What I mean is, if it isn't in breach but you think it might cause offence to someone else, I think they're best-placed to make that call, that's all.

    If someone chooses to bite back rather than report or simply ignore it, that's on them. (once again, just my opinion. I'm not big on dobbing and think it's better for people to sort things out among themselves like adults rather than telling teacher)

    I do get what you're saying about letting something explode in front of everyone though.

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    Well, most of the members here are pretty good so hopefully shouldn't be an issue - maybe good coffee makes us mellow?

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    I kind of enjoy baiting these one post wonders, trying to eek out actual conversation from them subtly

    One rule that works well elsewhere is not permitting new members the ability to create a thread until either a certain amount of posts or time has passed. Though in such a direct consumer focussed forum like this that isn't particularly feasible, as you may have stumbled across this forum via a google search to find a site sponsor so that you can ask a specific question (about an order or product) or similar. So I'm glad that rule isn't in place here. Astroturfing isn't too commonplace, and when it is most members here can smell it a mile away, like a bad brew!

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    Ravenscroft, your post has been moved here: http://coffeesnobs.com.au/general-co...tml#post498656


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    I am on several i net forums related to my special interests and they all have their share of Trolls who pop up and say outrageous things, usually in a rude or offensive way.
    I am big on good manners on forums, and outrageous statements don't bother me so much as rudeness, offensiveness, and lack of respect for others.
    The ideas the Trolls are posting are often good for a big belly laugh, but if the post is insulting or offensive I like to see the Mods step in early and either warn or ban the offender.
    I DO think however that we need to be careful of being to PC on forums as these days the world seems to be full of fragile souls who are easily offended, as well as the PC Nazis who just want to push people around.
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