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    Bulletproof "upgraded" coffee???? Really

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Has anyone looked into this product Bulletproof® Upgraded
    Their claims are on the home page there. They seem to claim a great deal... It seems to be sweeping the "paleo" *palmface movement at the moment.
    One of their biggest claims seems to be (or at least implies) that they are one of the few roasted beans to be mycotoxin free... Pffff

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    I have heard of it before, looked into it a while back. Seems to be US based so I didn't really bother looking much more. I'm happy getting fresh roasted beans from the local places.
    I thought fermentation was part of the normal process's when extracting the beans. Weather or not this creates mould on the bean which is potentially harmful, I don't know.

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    I think this is my favorite testimonial:

    I’ve been drinking BulletProof Coffee for 2 weeks now. Not only do I feel smarter & locked in, I think that I can now predict the future.”

    By locked in, does he mean he bought the 5 pound bag and has to drink it?

    A bit more serious now,

    A friend a while back mentioned to me about mould free coffee beans. That seems to be something a little different about these beans?

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    A thread on Sweet Maria's forum has covered the mycotoxin fairly well:
    Sweet Maria's Web Forum • View topic - Mold-free coffee

    Another good read here:
    Spotlight: Ochratoxin A (OTA) in coffee

    Main points are that:
    Mycotoxins are produced by mould. Not all mould will produce it and not at specific levels.
    The drying process is the most likely point where the mould issue will come about NOT the type of process (wet, natural, honey..)

    Another reference to "bullet proof coffee" is a preparation not brand.
    Coffee is mixed with milk butter rather than milk. This also is sweeping the paleo movement.
    Bit strange as milk butter is not technically paleo. There is some evidence that northern Europeans have evolved to handle dairy so some may argue that milk and diary products can fit into a paleo diet if one is tolerant to it.

    Coffee is on the edge case for a paleo diet as well along with cacao and alcohol. While coffee shrubs would have been present during the palaeolithic era it would be highly unlikely that coffee would be in the diet of humans at that point.
    The irony is that most mycotoxins in the human diet comes from grains......

    This really looks like a snake oil/cash in.

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    We should go back to ancient medicine as well; bring back the average life span of 30 years!
    Yet another diet fad relying on scientific sounding words and practices but not adhering to any accepted scientifically accepted testing and replication process.
    Really, all a snob wants is a good cup of coffee.
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    Set my marketing hype BS detector off for sure....
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    A workmate's just bought some of this, I'm pretty interested to hear the results of this coffee+butter combination too :S

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    It's just another stupid tax. I don't feel particularly bad for those that buy it.

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    there was a thread in the geek forum where a guy was asking how he can modify his Silvia heating temp to cut off at around 65c... reason is that he didnt want to boil the water and kill off the water's "nutrient"?!?..... plenty of strange people out there with strange believes....

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    Maybe he uses vitamin water or nutrient water

    I have hunted down a nice blog that did a lot to nail the bullet proof coffin shut.

    Not enough mould to cause a problem, even in positive samples. The aforementioned brand tests (apparently) for only one type of toxin, and that toxin is the least concerning. Though as stated its not much of a problem anyway.
    Storage and transport seems to be another opportunity for mould growth, so unless they use teleportation then it's flawed at least at that point...but as stated its not a significant problem anyway. It does indeed seem just another branding fad. It does irk me quite significantly. I am in the health care industry and thus so are many people in my social networks and THAT is the bit that is most irksome. They post with "authority". The whole paleo move not is dripping with poorly informed rhetoric. Sigh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Set my marketing hype BS detector off for sure....
    Without naming brands I spied milk in the supermarket last night that claimed to be "gluten free".

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    It does work mainly by slwoing the digestion if caffeine but more slowly than usual. Because of the low dose of caffeine your getting in this coffee you get more of a sustained green tea buzz so after a few days your adrenals get a break especially the coffee fiends amongst us. Pretty common to add butter to tea in India and china

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    Bulletproof "upgraded" coffee???? Really

    Quote Originally Posted by jnashm View Post
    It does work mainly by slwoing the digestion if caffeine but more slowly than usual. Because of the low dose of caffeine your getting in this coffee you get more of a sustained green tea buzz so after a few days your adrenals get a break especially the coffee fiends amongst us. Pretty common to add butter to tea in India and china
    That makes no sense. What is the mechanism that slows the "digestion" of caffeine?

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    The fat digestion time rather than straight coffee

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    I get that fat can slow absorption (not digestion) of active compounds, but unless you've got a source for that...

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    This is an interesting concept, paleo coffee, love it.

    If we really want to be free of mould toxins we should be careful with peanuts and peanut butter. When I worked in the food industry we tested each batch of peanuts for aflatoxins, these babies cause cancer and are a common ingredient most of us eat every day because it is just too difficult to remove. Every batch had aflatoxins, and all went into the peanut butter mixer. The FDA say a small amount won't hurt you, but ...

    Aflatoxin: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

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    “It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
    Mark Twain.


    "Upgraded™ Coffee is the result of an obsessive pursuit to find the absolute highest performance coffee beans on earth. It’s taken me more than 10 years to identify every step of performance-robbing toxin formation in coffee and to find a reliable, perfect source of beans that always make me feel great – even though “normal” coffee gives me a headache and jitters and makes me cranky. This coffee makes you feel noticeably better than anything else you’ll find. You’ll never go back to Starbucks again. These beans are meant for drinking black or best of all, for making with grass fed butter."


    What a load of codswallop.
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    Reminds me of this health food store trying to convince me to try coffee enema
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    I drink Bulletproof coffee and love it, though I don't usually do the grass fed butter thing.

    Cant say that I am an expert on what is good or even on nutrition but I do feel good drinking it.

    I notice with a lot off other coffee, I get a crash afterwards, but with bulletproof no crash at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by timohawk View Post
    I drink Bulletproof coffee and love it, though I don't usually do the grass fed butter thing.

    Cant say that I am an expert on what is good or even on nutrition but I do feel good drinking it.

    I notice with a lot off other coffee, I get a crash afterwards, but with bulletproof no crash at all.
    Hi Timohawk,
    Where do you buy your Bulletproof coffee from?
    How much does it cost you?
    How do you prepare it?
    You say you don't usually do the grass fed butter thing, so obviously you have made the coffee as suggested on their website. What did you think of coffee with butter?
    You say with a lot of other coffee you get a crash afterwards. What do you mean by crash?
    What is the other coffee that you drink that causes you to crash?

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    Are they telling you to put butter in your coffee??? Is that "a thing"

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    Quote Originally Posted by branjie View Post
    Are they telling you to put butter in your coffee??? Is that "a thing"
    It's a 'thing' in the paleo food world, a few cafés serve long blacks topped with butter or MCTs - medium chain triglycerides, instead of milk.

    There in some science behind it, but how debatable that science is I don't know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon View Post
    It's a 'thing' in the paleo food world, a few cafés serve long blacks topped with butter or MCTs - medium chain triglycerides, instead of milk.

    There in some science behind it, but how debatable that science is I don't know.
    Sounds like a waste of good coffee to me but I guess I shouldn't knock it until I've tried it (which I won't) .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon View Post
    It's a 'thing' in the paleo food world, a few cafés serve long blacks topped with butter or MCTs - medium chain triglycerides, instead of milk.

    There in some science behind it, but how debatable that science is I don't know.
    Sounds like a few people in the Paleo world are more than a bit confused because the Paleo Diet is supposed to reject all processed foods and makes a point of excluding all dairy products and coffee. In any event, I am pretty sure that butter is far more processed than milk is.

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    All of these diets and fads have ardent followers who will swear by the latest craze. When you step back and look at these people, most of the time you will find they suffer from some psychological disorder/problem/whatever.....
    Most of the time they do not realize it. Latching onto these fads makes them feel good and sometimes prevents them from doing much worse. There is nothing wrong with this as long as they do not harm others.

    I was hoping for a reply from timohawk about the bulletproof coffee as my daughter had the "pleasure" of trying it. She was at a friend's place and the mother was gushing about the virtues of this coffee (without a clue as to why it was so good for you) and other aspects of her new diet. Knowing my daughter enjoys good coffee, she insisted she try it. Apparently she bought it online and found the effects astounding.

    Anyway, my daughter who is too polite for her own good succumbed, and tried the coffee. She has attested that it does have miraculous effects on the human body. She was able to projectile vomit a good three metres. As to taste, the polite word that was used was vile.

    I love how the people behind this coffee extoll the virtues of grass fed butter being better than butter produced from cows fed a diet of corn and soy. Boy, do I have a product for you.
    Butter, handmade (milked and churned) from an ancient breed of cattle that are pastured in remote unpolluted meadows. The grasses they feed on are an ancient variety and contain all the goodness that cows used to obtain naturally. Unspoiled by man, these grassy havens are secretly guarded to ensure no modern contamination by pesticides occurs. Their location can thus not be revealed to the common person.
    The result is a truly healthy butter, far superior to any other on the market. Its health benefits are too numerous too list. Limited scientific research by world experts have shown this product to be a true ancient superfood.
    Given its scarcity, it has a hefty price tag, but what price do you place on your health?
    If you would like to purchase this butter, please contact me via PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    All of these diets and fads have ardent followers who will swear by the latest craze. When you step back and look at these people, most of the time you will find they suffer from some psychological disorder/problem/whatever.....
    Most of the time they do not realize it. Latching onto these fads makes them feel good and sometimes prevents them from doing much worse. There is nothing wrong with this as long as they do not harm others.
    Its interesting that people with the type of mindset you describe seem to have a problem with all things conventional.

    There is a member of another forum I belong to who invades every thread on computers with mammoth posts extolling the virtues of Linux, his posts are full of techno-babble unintelligible to the average person, he has attempted to get others up and running on Linux, as yet without success, like the clean cut young men who knock on your door peddling religion, he keeps trying.

    The same persons view of the medical profession is scathing, had a terminal condition (according to his doctor 6 months to live) so treated himself with some weird diet related method, 25 years on still going strong, and of course is advising everyone who will listen to abandon doctors and embrace his particular form of hocuspocus.

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    On the butter and coffee thing. I am friends with a bloke who is in his late seventies and was a kid in Nazi Germany.

    We were talking about coffee one day and I mentioned that I have gotten into roasting my own. We talked for a bit and he said

    that he remembers his Mother roasting beans in a pan with butter and then grinding it with a hand grinder and infusing straight away.

    I have never heard of this method spoken about before and it has intrigued me, but not really to the point of trying it myself.

    Has anyone else come across this method of roasting (frying?) before or have I led a sheltered existence.

    Edit: I googled it, der! seems to be a done thing especially in Vietnam it seems. Yep sheltered existence here
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    I love how the people behind this coffee extoll the virtues of grass fed butter being better than butter produced from cows fed a diet of corn and soy. Boy, do I have a product for you.
    I wouldn't discount the possibility out of hand. Not sure whether it's the diet or the living conditions but I'm struggling to find good eggs here in the US and the only nice milk I can find is the organic pasture-raised stuff.

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    Buttered coffee, would you drink it?

    I've heard of it before, have never tried it.

    Seems the latest rendition is known as "Bullet Proof Coffee" I like butter and love coffee, perhaps its worth a try, unsure, doesn't sound like an appetising combination.

    Toxin free upgraded beans, Brain Octane Oil, "makes you feel amazing for hours and hours" seriously!

    http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/foo...-1227135157622

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    I just saw it in Maroochydore- going to try tomorrow

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    News article I read today mentions it sells for between $6-$8 each.

    Not a bad profit.

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    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1417038086.317643.jpg

    Here's a (one manifestation anyway) cup. Tastes rich (butter). It's OK. $5.00

    The triathlon crowd is drinking these according to the machine operator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprezzatura View Post
    I disagree with the recipe.

    If nothing else, using a salted butter instead, should (in my honest opinion a'corse ) enhance the brew.

    After that I wouldnt like to comment on the spin at bottom of the board, and truth be known, if I was to read the recipe before ordering, I probably wouldnt order the thing even if only to have tried for the novelty value.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprezzatura View Post
    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1417038086.317643.jpg

    Here's a (one manifestation anyway) cup. Tastes rich (butter). It's OK...
    Unfortunately, it doesn't look so good.

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    Not good enough to try again - perhaps a little salt in the butter would taste better. Mongolian yak butter coffee?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprezzatura View Post
    Not good enough to try again - perhaps a little salt in the butter would taste better. Mongolian yak butter coffee?
    I doubt that it could taste any worse than Yak butter tea....
    I struck that one off the bucket list of foods never to try again about 20 years ago and still remember it
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    Quote Originally Posted by ausdb View Post
    I doubt that it could taste any worse than Yak butter tea....
    I struck that one off the bucket list of foods never to try again about 20 years ago and still remember it
    Often wondered about that one, spoke to a friend a couple of nights back who tried Yak butter tea whilst on a trek in Pakistan, said it was somewhat less than pleasant, wouldn't try it a second time.

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    I was skeptical of the bulletproof fad until I actually tried having one a day before work for a week. I don't use the crap "upgraded" beans or mct oil, that stuff makes you feel like your on crack. You just need a high quality filter roast and unsalted cultured butter.

    My recipe at the moment that has given me the best flavor. A filter roast is a must, long blacks are too harsh a flavor.
    1 tbsp cultured butter (pepe seya or the farm byron bay)
    coffee snobs gold filter roast

    brewed in the areo press, then blended together until consistent

    There is a lot of BS that goes through the paleo crowd, and a lot of BS that comes out of the Bulletproof company. But having fats with your coffee is a good idea that is for sure.

    give it a go, would love to know peoples true thoughts after they have tried it for a week.

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    I'm inclined to give it a try, about the only thing stopping me is the thought of firing up the blender and having to clean it for a single, for a single cup of coffee.

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    I've had one or two of these coffees when I've visited a commercial link removed per site posting policy and for me, the experience was "meh". From the viewpoint of enjoying a good cup of coffee, it is nothing particularly special to me (my usual cup is a white-and-one). I guess I would have to try them consistently to see if it has any "performance" effects on me, but I've found I don't have much sensitivity to things like this. I suspect you wouldn't have to buy their particular, overpriced coffee beans to get the same benefits if any, though.

    With regard to paleo as a diet choice, I can understand it is effective for some people. I have a friend with a host of medical issues who is strongly effected by things like gluten and lactose, and found a paleo diet works well for her. But when she talks about it it is always in terms of what works for her, not that everybody and their pets should be doing the same thing. The recommendation being, "it might be worth trying and see if it works for you, it might or it might not." She also admits there is too much BS and marketing hype dominating it all.
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    tried it.
    It's not as terrible as you might think, but I wouldn't do it on purpose either.

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    I tried it this morning as well (just a tbsp of standard butter in my aeropress). First sip I noticed the salt straight away, as the cup went on I got used to it and didn't mind it. It gave a very creamy mouthfeel. I've been eating a low carb high fat diet for around 4 months now, so this is a good way of getting a bit more fat in my daily diet - not sure if I'll have it every morning, but will probably do it once or twice a week. Just need to get me some good butter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    Hi Timohawk,
    Where do you buy your Bulletproof coffee from?
    How much does it cost you?
    How do you prepare it?
    You say you don't usually do the grass fed butter thing, so obviously you have made the coffee as suggested on their website. What did you think of coffee with butter?
    You say with a lot of other coffee you get a crash afterwards. What do you mean by crash?
    What is the other coffee that you drink that causes you to crash?

    I am a big fan of bulletproof coffee and have at least once a day.

    I buy locally roasted beans from Perth and tend to change often as I like trying new beans regularly.
    It costs me $20 for 1 litre of MCT oil which lasts me about a month.
    I prepare it in a french press then i put a stick blender in my coffee cup to mix it. this is very easy and cuts down on dishes.
    I use only grass fed butter. I actually love it and it is the creamiest cup of coffee you will ever have.
    I also make enough coffee so i can have a small glass of black coffee afterwards as i really enjoy both.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    All of these diets and fads have ardent followers who will swear by the latest craze. When you step back and look at these people, most of the time you will find they suffer from some psychological disorder/problem/whatever.....
    Most of the time they do not realize it. Latching onto these fads makes them feel good and sometimes prevents them from doing much worse. There is nothing wrong with this as long as they do not harm others.

    I was hoping for a reply from timohawk about the bulletproof coffee as my daughter had the "pleasure" of trying it. She was at a friend's place and the mother was gushing about the virtues of this coffee (without a clue as to why it was so good for you) and other aspects of her new diet. Knowing my daughter enjoys good coffee, she insisted she try it. Apparently she bought it online and found the effects astounding.

    Anyway, my daughter who is too polite for her own good succumbed, and tried the coffee. She has attested that it does have miraculous effects on the human body. She was able to projectile vomit a good three metres. As to taste, the polite word that was used was vile.

    I love how the people behind this coffee extoll the virtues of grass fed butter being better than butter produced from cows fed a diet of corn and soy. Boy, do I have a product for you.
    Butter, handmade (milked and churned) from an ancient breed of cattle that are pastured in remote unpolluted meadows. The grasses they feed on are an ancient variety and contain all the goodness that cows used to obtain naturally. Unspoiled by man, these grassy havens are secretly guarded to ensure no modern contamination by pesticides occurs. Their location can thus not be revealed to the common person.
    The result is a truly healthy butter, far superior to any other on the market. Its health benefits are too numerous too list. Limited scientific research by world experts have shown this product to be a true ancient superfood.
    Given its scarcity, it has a hefty price tag, but what price do you place on your health?
    If you would like to purchase this butter, please contact me via PM.

    Mate, i find your reply extremely offensive. I have been a paleo follower for the last 2 years and have never felt better. Paleo for me is not a fad or diet but rather a lifestyle change to staying healthy for the rest of my life. I never experience reflux, or bloating. I can eat the biggest meal and never feel lethargic. It is really easy to hate what is unknown or uncommon but honestly, unless you try something it is very hard to judge someone else for it.

    By you saying that if you step back and look at "these people" you will find that most of the time they have psychological disorders shows how simply narrow minded you are.
    There is nothing wrong with them as long as they do not harm others???? Come on mate, just because I choose to exclude certain foods from my diet does not classify me as someone with a psychological disorder.

    I spend a lot of time researching nutrition and if you are ever curios as to why bulletproof coffee is good for you, or you would like to know why people eat a paleo lifestyle I would be more than happy to share some of my information.


    But in the future it is probably a good idea to keep strong negative opinions to yourself on a page like this were we are all just hear to share stories of our coffee and enjoy reading about others experiences.

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    Nothing wrong with hearing about experiences from both sides mate....

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    Mal How are you.

    I agree with your comment about hearing experiences from both sides, that's how we learn and that's how Australia has developed this great coffee culture, but lets leave the "Tony Abbott" to Tony Abbott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bosco_Lever View Post
    All of these diets and fads have ardent followers who will swear by the latest craze. When you step back and look at these people, most of the time you will find they suffer from some psychological disorder/problem/whatever.....
    Most of the time they do not realize it. Latching onto these fads makes them feel good and sometimes prevents them from doing much worse. There is nothing wrong with this as long as they do not harm others.

    I was hoping for a reply from timohawk about the bulletproof coffee as my daughter had the "pleasure" of trying it. She was at a friend's place and the mother was gushing about the virtues of this coffee (without a clue as to why it was so good for you) and other aspects of her new diet. Knowing my daughter enjoys good coffee, she insisted she try it. Apparently she bought it online and found the effects astounding.

    Anyway, my daughter who is too polite for her own good succumbed, and tried the coffee. She has attested that it does have miraculous effects on the human body. She was able to projectile vomit a good three metres. As to taste, the polite word that was used was vile.

    I love how the people behind this coffee extoll the virtues of grass fed butter being better than butter produced from cows fed a diet of corn and soy. Boy, do I have a product for you.
    Butter, handmade (milked and churned) from an ancient breed of cattle that are pastured in remote unpolluted meadows. The grasses they feed on are an ancient variety and contain all the goodness that cows used to obtain naturally. Unspoiled by man, these grassy havens are secretly guarded to ensure no modern contamination by pesticides occurs. Their location can thus not be revealed to the common person.
    The result is a truly healthy butter, far superior to any other on the market. Its health benefits are too numerous too list. Limited scientific research by world experts have shown this product to be a true ancient superfood.
    Given its scarcity, it has a hefty price tag, but what price do you place on your health?
    If you would like to purchase this butter, please contact me via PM.
    Missed your original post Bosco, what a gem, it almost disappeared into the archives, only picked it up because of the whinge, thanks for bumping it Frizz.

    I agree with everything you say, have yet to try this magic brew (bullet proof coffee) after a bit of research doubt I ever will.

    I suspect people that drink this stuff are probably not really into coffee.

    Interesting that Wikipedia refers to Paleo as a fad diet that excludes dairy products among other things, and of course the fact that "Average life expectancy was significantly lower during the Paleolithic period than in subsequent ages"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleolithic_diet
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    Not sure you did miss the OP, Yelta. You cited it in post #27



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