Post By TC
Plumbing in requirements
We are designing a new house & I have the opportunity to allow for a plumbed in machine. I will have an under bench filtration system with a tap to the sink for flushing & drinking water. I am imagining a washing machine type tap mounted to the wall (via filter, of course) for the coffee machine, is this the normal way of doing things or does it need to come through the bench?
Do plumbed in machines require a drainage/overflow hose, if so does that need to be through the bench, or can it dangle into the sink? I am happy to empty & wash the drip tray each day as I do now, so I’m not fussed about allowing for that.
Your thoughts please,
A nice, shiny, new kitchen with a scruffy drain hose hanging into one side of the sink - I wouldn't dream of suggesting that to my wife.
My personal thoughts are that I'd go for both water supply and drainage coming up through the counter top via a fitting similar to that used for power/data cables in modern desktops.
I'm not sure what type of bench tops I will be having yet & hubby is a bit reluctant to have a hole in it if we go for a stone type, & depending on the final design, the coffee corner may be in a Butlers' pantry, if that was the case the drainage hose wouldn't be such an issue. Are you also saying that I will need a drainage hose?
Put your gorgeous coffee bling in the pantry?!!
If you opt for stone benches your mains supply can come in through the splash back, at bench height with an 90° elbow connector to the machine.
A lot of under bench filter systems utilise the dishwasher water line.
Not to steal Chris' thunder ;-).... but have a read of this , from his website:
Home Espresso Machine
The waste doesn't have to be plumbed if you have stone benches but it would be bliss to have it disappear all by itself! :-D
Originally Posted by chokkidog
Your post reminded me to make some updates to the page which I have done today (primarily for hard water areas).
c_m. Do plumb in! You will never look back. A competent stonemason will be able to provide you with the core from the stone (if you use it) which can be regrouted if/when you go. Not having to fill and drain every day is a wonderful luxury. You will need:
- 1/2" male cold tap
- suitable filtration. Your drinking water filtration will probably not be adequate. You may be able to replace the cartridge/s and then tee off it to plumb the machine (on the proviso that a 350kPa PLV is fitted)
- power. I recommend you bring a dedicated 15A circuit if you have sparkies on site
- drainage. keep it direct and short.
I do all of this with a 30mm hole in my bench.
Thanks Chokkidog & Chris,
I use a bench top filter from Bombara at the moment (we use it for drinking as well), so will be either going with one of theirs or the one Chris is selling. We were assuming a 50-60mm hole for the 3 pin plug. Would the plug need to be removed each time the machine needs to be moved, or do the plumbed in varieties have a power plug into the machine to enable a 30mm hole?
Chris - Thanks for the shopping list, it will be very handy when we go to the builder. What sort of beast are you going to sell me that needs 15A
The main reason for the machine living in the pantry is for the plumbing, as much as I love my VBM & grinder, I really don't want them in the middle of an Island bench. The best kitchen option would be beside the stove top, which not near any water pipes, and I want to plumb in as my hands are already affected by arthritis, so not having to fill the tank with a jug will make life easier.
Originally Posted by coffee_mum
- Yes- at 30mm removal of the plug is required, but you're probably not going to move the machine that often?
- 15A- covers a machine which draws up to 10A and grinder and allows for a little headspace. Given a choice, I'd have 20 or so for my fantasy 2 group lever and the Kony-E. Only problem is that I's have to install them in the dog house though.
- Near the stove top. Not a favourite. You should see the gunge we remove from machines and more importantly, what gets inside. Yuck.
Boys and their toys I was only considering (without much research) upgrading the VBM Junior to one of its big brothers, or maybe a Rocket Evoluzione. I agree that beside the stove top isn't a great place, I think I'd like to keep my benchtop bling clean & slightly out of sight, rather than front & centre & exposed to daily kitchen muck. BTW, "Dog house" at my new place is going to be 3x4m, with access from inside, heating & cooling, (must be getting soft in my old age)
Just make sure you give consideration to where a pressure reducer (if required) would be fitted and where you'll locate the shut-off valve in case of a malfunction of the machine or a need to disconnect it.
Good point, I'll need to consider easy access to the timer as well. Its going to be a very "busy" under sink cupboard, that will require the co-operation of the cabinet maker, sparky & plumber to get what I want/need right. Its going to be quite a while (maybe a year away) before anything happens, but I'll post pictures once its all done.
Any 'big brother' upgrade from a VBM Junior will also have VBM on the Outer casing! They are available (standard Domobar Super HX) with rotary pumps and tank/plumbed in options in the standard package - recent evidence suggests some site sponsors may be giving advice based on outdated information about the VBM product range, so you need to do your own research .
Originally Posted by coffee_mum
Look left Mike- Do you see the sea? Now look further across the water. This is a different country and we have a different importer with a different (and select) range. I'm sitting here looking at a letter dated 20/2/14 sent to all Australian resellers including site sponsors. This lists the entire Australian domestic and commercial range with pricing.
Originally Posted by MikeS
You might consider yourself expert when it comes to what is happening in Hamilton but I suspect my information on the Australian range might be a tad more comprehensive than yours. It would be nice if you'd take some time to peruse the importers website and then get your facts straight.
Herewith your serving of humble pie- topped with Aussie grown kiwi fruit.
I would not have thought you would need to run a drain into the sink. Just loop the drain hose up as high as you can under the bench so nothing can drain back if there is water in the sink and run it to a dishwasher drain outlet under the sink. I thought about plumbing mine in but it was not designed for that so did not bother in the end. I have a double cartridge filter under the sink for both the fridge and a cool tap (that cost me $500) that has an extra outlet for it for the filtered water so there was no extra spout for the filtered water sticking up. Got it from Reece Plumbing.
Found a pic of the dual outlet tap
Left side is filtered water, right side is a standard flickmixer, sorry bout the washing up!
I like the double tap, & hadn't originally considered the drainage options, but into the dishwasher drain sounds good.
Instead of cutting into the bench top, can you go through the back or side of your splashback, then down the wall or cabinetry? If you then need to cover the hole created you could put a fake powerpoint or cover over it in time? Just trying to think outside the square?
Reviving my old thread,
The house is finally under construction, up to plumbing and wiring. The sparky is putting a double 15amp GPO in the cupboard under the sink in the butlers pantry. I have already bought an Aquaport 3 way filtered water sink mixer, which will be attached to a Brita C150 water filter.
Unfortunately I may have to wait until the current house sells to have the funds for the new machine (Giotto EVO, R58 or Alex Duetto III) So I need to work out where to put the hole in the manufactured stone benchtop, going through the glass splashback isn't our preferred option at this stage, but if the bench hole location varies from machine to machine we may have to re-consider.
Would those who own any of the above machines, and have cut holes in thier benchtops be kind enough to let me know the location of the cutout, so that I can work out where I need it (Stonemason will drill it out before installation) It is my intention to place the machine fairly colse to the pantry sink so that we are nice and close to water and drainage.
Thanks in advance,