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    Coles dark roast coffee beans

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    Please don't hit me over the head. I just want to ask if anybody has tried Coles dark roast coffee beans.

    Doe it taste nice? Does it have any taste?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    Please don't hit me over the head. I just want to ask if anybody has tried Coles dark roast coffee beans.

    Doe it taste nice? Does it have any taste?
    1. Yes
    2. No
    3. Yes (refer to # 2)

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    Please don't hit me over the head. I just want to ask if anybody has tried Coles dark roast coffee beans.

    Doe it taste nice? Does it have any taste?

    Sorry if I sound a bit snarly, I woke up to find that I have no beans in the cupboard this morning... I'm guessing Coles beans are roasted overseas, if you are lucky within the last 12-18 months, the first 2 may shots may be alright and then you will be left with stale beans that produce no crema and taste. And don't take offence (I've tried to be as polite as possible), but I'd rather go without a coffee than know what 'Coles dark roast beans' are like... after all, this site is called Coffee 'Snobs' not coffee 'Savers!'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adsy View Post
    ... I'm guessing Coles beans are roasted overseas,...'
    BIG assumption !
    What makes you think that ?
    FYI ..100% Arabica, roasted and packed in Australia !
    ..and Fair Trade also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    Please don't hit me over the head. I just want to ask if anybody has tried Coles dark roast coffee beans.

    Doe it taste nice? Does it have any taste?
    Im sure they'll have taste.
    whether its nice or not depends on one's interpretation of nice.
    Im guessing they are cheap to buy so you probably don't have much to loose if you're curious.
    Just check the use by date, its not uncommon to find supermarket beans on the shelf way past their use by date.
    Personally as a snob, I wouldn't go near them when we have so many choices for quality fresh beans.

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    I buy it for the office coffee machines... they looked old, oily, and tasted horrible for me with a weird aftertaste like funky old olive oil I used to get from working at an olive oil bottling factory ...

    but the staff likes it and drinks it everyday with no complain...

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    While I appreciate good coffee and nowadays roast green beans on a wok to please my palate, I also have a thrifty streak in me and I can be time-poor, so I won't look down upon anyone else who wishes to save time or money. I have not specifically tried that brand of coffee, but if it's anything like other supermarket roasted coffee then unless it was roasted a very long ago or stored badly I would expect it to be enjoyable for the first several days, before it gives the impression of rapidly deteriorating. Even then, all may not be lost as it may still be acceptable to your palate to use the coffee in other ways, such as:

    1. Iced coffee
    2. As a flavoring in cakes etc.
    3. Coffee-chicory blend

    I have rescued some appalling coffee with the help of chicory, although I understand that chicory is not to everyone's liking so I cannot universally recommend it.
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    Well, the coffee beans I've been buying lately are "Caffé Aurora Medaglia D'oro All' Italiana Italian Blend Beans" (hows that for typing?), as I'm still unemployed as of now. I don't mind saving money but I won't drink coffee that tastes awful. I guess if somebody can give me a simple comparison of how this Coles coffee tastes compared to what I normally buy.

    Although I must confess I was recently given a free bag of Gloria Jean's Smooth Classic Blend Ground Coffee. It seems nice enough but it would probably work out more expensive than the 1 kilogram bag of coffee beans I normally buy.

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    Wow... those 2- I wouldn't use them even as drain cleaner. Positively disgusting rancid stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Wow... those 2- I wouldn't use them even as drain cleaner. Positively disgusting rancid stuff.
    As I'm unemployed, which coffee would you recommend for a similar price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    As I'm unemployed, which coffee would you recommend for a similar price?
    Well, I can't transplant my preferences into your head, my friend, but I'd pay a little more and drink fewer, but better, coffees.

    There's a reason for the price of the Aurora stuff. There's a reason why it's difficult to improve on quality at a set low price.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    As I'm unemployed, which coffee would you recommend for a similar price?
    I'd recommend you offer a great cafe or roastery a couple of hours a week- in exchange for some real coffee. Who knows? It may even lead to employment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    I'd recommend you offer a great cafe or roastery a couple of hours a week- in exchange for some real coffee. Who knows? It may even lead to employment
    Great. I get my Bachelor Degree and somebody tells me to work in a coffee shop for no pay.

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    Have you considered roasting your own? Have a look at the wealth of information and experience on this forum.

    Here:
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/showthread.php?t=25312

    You could start simply (and very cheaply) using a popcorn popper and some BeanBay green beans. You could probably start roasting your own using a basic setup that would probably cost not much more than what you currently pay for a kilo of the afore mentioned beans with a result that would be significantly better (and more rewarding) than what you are currently drinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    Great. I get my Bachelor Degree and somebody tells me to work in a coffee shop for no pay.
    Well, I worked the graveyard shift at a rough service station immediately on obtaining my Bachelors degree.......wasn't beneath me.

    You'd be surprised how much a variety of experiences can help you in later life...even if it seems less than desirable at the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by STS View Post
    Have you considered roasting your own? Have a look at the wealth of information and experience on this forum. You could start simply (and very cheaply) using a popcorn popper and some BeanBay green beans. You could probably start roasting your own using a basic setup that would probably cost not much more than what you currently pay for a kilo of the afore mentioned beans with a result that would be significantly better (and more rewarding) than what you are currently drinking.
    No, I haven't thought of that actually. I guess I should check it out, especially if it works out cheaper in the long run.

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    When I got my machine I used Coles beans to learn to make coffee. I also used their Vittoria ones for those who thought Nescafé was a decent thing to drink. It took some learning but I was making decent coffee in short order. Admittedly nothing as good as what I get from fresh local-roaster beans and the changes I have made to my system, but easily better than most cafés serve for $3.50 per cup.

    If that's what you can afford, go for it. Probably don't buy the cheapest, but I had no issues drinking the stuff (tried a few different ones) at around $17/kg.

    Yes, paying more will normally improve your cup but there are also some places charging $25 or more for a kg of beans that barely raise a crema even when you get everything right.

    I don't roast my own (yet) so can't really talk about the costs there, but if it can be as cheap as STS says, that would be a great alternative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    No, I haven't thought of that actually. I guess I should check it out, especially if it works out cheaper in the long run.
    Also great fun. Highly recommend; a great way to learn more about coffee and what you like/don't like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    Great. I get my Bachelor Degree and somebody tells me to work in a coffee shop for no pay.
    Yeppers- Surely has to be better than sitting around on your posterior. Who knows? You may well gain more than you give...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Well, I worked the graveyard shift at a rough service station immediately on obtaining my Bachelors degree.......wasn't beneath me.

    You'd be surprised how much a variety of experiences can help you in later life...even if it seems less than desirable at the time.
    I'm sure that wasn't for no money though. I'll do jobs that are not related to my degree but I have to be paid for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    I'm sure that wasn't for no money though. I'll do jobs that are not related to my degree but I have to be paid for it.
    True, but it was for bugger all money. And I did other stuff for zippo (did the books for a couple of local charities / non-profits). The worst thing you can do is nothing (and I have no idea...you might be doing lots of other stuff). I'm not being a smart alec about this....there's very little downside to what Chris is suggesting.

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    I have done plenty of work for no money in my time. I learned (lots) from each experience. Perhaps you might consider it giving a little back to those who contributed along the way. Doing something for others might make you more employable some day. It looks good on a CV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    I'm sure that wasn't for no money though. I'll do jobs that are not related to my degree but I have to be paid for it.
    Then that's the choice you make. You don't have to do it, but if you don't have a paying job occupying your time it may be your best option if you want decent coffee.

    It may also lead to employment, if that interests you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    I'm sure that wasn't for no money though. I'll do jobs that are not related to my degree but I have to be paid for it.
    I don't know what the retail price of coffee beans is where you are, but here in NZ it's not hard to pay $50~60/kg for decidedly average beans with no known roast date.

    I personally would consider a kg or so of beans for a couple of hours work to be a pretty good rate of pay straight out of uni (certainly more than you're likely to get as a starter in a job related to your degree), especially since that's tax-free and you are otherwise unemployed. Work a few more hours and swap the beans you can't use in a couple of weeks for something else you need.

    One little thought - many of us here have worked for many years in our chosen profession, which is why we are able to afford the toys that bring us here - I personally am in my 42nd year of learning and adapting in my particular industry. I suspect I'm not the only one here who has a pretty good notion of exactly how valuable most shiny new bachelor's degrees are, and appealing to it as an excuse not to follow up a perfectly good self-help suggestion is unlikely to elicit a universally supportive response.
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    Can I suggest some Coffeesnobs Beanbay beans? They are top quality and worth their weight in gold, and they arrive soon after hitting the ENTER key on your keyboard. They are cheaper still green, you can roast them so easily in a popcorn popper as suggested above, for next to nothing.

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    Green PNG Highland Naturals, just about my favourite bean, @ $8 a kg you can't go wrong.

    Drinking a double espresso per day for 110 days @ less than 20 cents a cup per bag of 2.5 Kg green beans.

    How to popcorn popper roast your green beans
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS View Post
    I don't know what the retail price of coffee beans is where you are, but here in NZ it's not hard to pay $50~60/kg for decidedly average beans with no known roast date..
    I suspect part of the reason this topic was even started is because these Coles beans are currently selling for $13 /kg.
    To some, that is a "worth a try" price !

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    As i have one of these sm'kts within walking distance, i thought (in a moment of mis guided self sacrifice and community service !), i would conduct a crude "independent reality review" of these bargain beans.
    However, despite inspecting all of the many kgs on the shelf, i concluded from the Best Before dates that none of them were less than 3 months past packing (roasting) date, so even by my somewhat tolerant taste standards, i decided they were not worth the effort of carrying back home to waste good water on. !
    If any of them had been in the bag for less than 4 weeks , i would have carried through my potentially risky mission.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeS View Post
    I suspect I'm not the only one here who has a pretty good notion of exactly how valuable most shiny new bachelor's degrees are, and appealing to it as an excuse not to follow up a perfectly good self-help suggestion is unlikely to elicit a universally supportive response.
    The problem I have with working for free is it opens up the potential for abuse on the part of the employer. I don't want to be in a situation where I agree to work for one or two weeks for free only to have the expectation of working for free extended by the employer.

    Having said that I am seeing a careers counselor next week and I'll ask about ways to mitigate that risk. If the careers counselor says it's a good idea to work for free for a short time them I'll take note of that advice.

    Please note I'm 50 and I have roughly 25 years of work experience behind me so it's not like I don't have any experience in any field of work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    I suspect part of the reason this topic was even started is because these Coles beans are currently selling for $13 /kg.
    To some, that is a "worth a try" price !
    Yes. I did start this topic because I've seen it is being sold for that price. But I'm wary of buying coffee that might be too cheap, so maybe it isn't "worth a try".

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    The problem I have with working for free is it opens up the potential for abuse on the part of the employer. I don't want to be in a situation where I agree to work for one or two weeks for free only to have the expectation of working for free extended by the employer.
    Are you kidding me? Whether you are working for free or for pay if an employer abuses you it's very easy to stop the abuse. Tell them to fuxk off and walk away.


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    I can see potential pressure and "abuse" of employees if they were young and inexperienced (I worked for $50 a day off loading truck tyres off containers back in my uni days) but once you are experienced enough then you should be able to managed your work situation enough to avoid such "abuse"... especially if you are getting paid peanuts (or coffee beans )

    But going back to the original question, you probably can get away with the cheap coles beans if you are only have milk based drinks, taken with sugar... otherwise, it does taste aweful... you can only work with what you have...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    Are you kidding me? Whether you are working for free or for pay if an employer abuses you it's very easy to stop the abuse. Tell them to fuxk off and walk away.


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    Sorry, I should've been more clear that the "abuse" I was talking about is in the form of the employer expecting an extended period of working for free. I mean a period longer than what is originally agreed on.

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    Ironic that a topic about Coles Coffee beans becomes a conversation about unemployment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pamount View Post
    Sorry, I should've been more clear that the "abuse" I was talking about is in the form of the employer expecting an extended period of working for free. I mean a period longer than what is originally agreed on.
    If that happens you tell them to eat shite and end up no worse off than when you started. Not seeing the risk, myself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikejoc View Post
    Ironic that a topic about Coles Coffee beans becomes a conversation about unemployment?
    I was thinking that myself actually.

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    I'm sorry about your employment situation. In that case I suggest that you buy a product that is economical to purchase and has a long shelf life. You could buy some green beans and once every 2-4 weeks roast a small quantity (e.g. 300g) which you then keep in a tin for grinding on demand. You could roast the beans in a heavy pan or wok on a stove or fire, stirring with a wooden spoon. Decent beans can be purchased for under $6-$10/kg, especially if you're prepared to buy a few kilograms at a time. Green beans they have a very long shelf life, typically alleged to be 1-3 years (but apparently some archaeologists have made a satisfactory brew from ancient coffee beans that were discovered in a buried clay vessel). You can also save excess ground coffee in a small jar, and when it's nearly full use that instead of freshly ground coffee for the next few coffees. Despite that cached ground coffee obviously not being as fresh as fresh-ground coffee, if you brew it carefully you can still enjoy a drink that out-classes any instant coffee and some cafe coffees. I hope this helps. Good luck with your job hunt too!

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    Ummm. Coffee is a want, not a need. 2 or three days, bugger of a headache. Problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Well, I worked the graveyard shift at a rough service station immediately on obtaining my Bachelors degree.......wasn't beneath me.

    You'd be surprised how much a variety of experiences can help you in later life...even if it seems less than desirable at the time.
    I worked two jobs following an economic downturn - Restaurant photographer and nightclub bouncer. Strangely, the photography job was the more dangerous of the two.

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    Coles should rebrand them as a grind practice tamping bean for unemployed baristas.
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    I use these beans at home. I have PNG Okapa beans roasted to perfection in a low yield 10kg roaster from The Coffee Barun. A premier listed coffee establishment.
    With my 4000 dollar setup at home I can produce a result with the coles beans that is only marginaly worse then the premium beans.
    $49 per kilo vs $13 per kilo.
    Obviously coles has huge buying power on its side but for the price difference I can see why some would give pause. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong in an objective unbiased cupping.

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    That might say more about your technique than it does the beans to are using. If your okapa are stale then no surprises
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davetaylor View Post
    I challenge anyone to prove me wrong in an objective unbiased cupping.
    With your mind set Dave, not a challenge I would be prepared to take up, reckon Trentski may well be on to something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brevillista View Post
    Coles should rebrand them as a grind practice tamping bean for unemployed baristas.
    That's an idea. I also think that Coles and Ikea could enter into a joint venture to sell them in pretty glass jars with cork tops as kitchen or cafe decoration. Add a little non-obtrusive sticker stating "Non Food Grade Item. Do Not Consume", put them in a display near the big yellow bags at the registers, and they would sell like hot cakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davetaylor View Post
    I use these beans at home. I have PNG Okapa beans roasted to perfection in a low yield 10kg roaster from The Coffee Barun. A premier listed coffee establishment.
    With my 4000 dollar setup at home I can produce a result with the coles beans that is only marginaly worse then the premium beans.
    $49 per kilo vs $13 per kilo.
    Obviously coles has huge buying power on its side but for the price difference I can see why some would give pause. I challenge anyone to prove me wrong in an objective unbiased cupping.
    OK, I will bite because it's Saturday morning and reading nonsense with a hangover is bound to fire anyone up.

    A low yield 10kg roaster ? alas, that was the immediate giveaway.......the term as it refers to roasting platforms does not exist. In other words it's a meaningless phrase that can't be applied in any practical sense, so I'm afraid that statement just backfired to blow a trumpet.

    A 4000 dollar setup is unfortunately another attempt to establish credential. Matters not. Owning a supercar and complaining about the price of fuel is something one of my friends often whinges about which is absolutely hilarious because he drives like my Grandma on the way home from a bowls tournament.

    I know where those Coles beans are roasted and whilst the ingredients are not going to ever be made public, it is sourced with the sole objective of lowest cost only. Take that as you may.

    Putting aside your objective and unbiased cupping........you have compared 2 different products in 2 different markets with 2 different seller's objectives.

    One those sellers is using a powerful portfolio pricing tactic intended to rupture a market for their own monopolistic benefit with the sole objective to kill off competition across a range of essential food staples - milk, bread and other food manufacturing businesses (biscuits, nuts, fruit & vegetables) in Australia that have been destroyed in the last 5 years from predatory behavior of supermarkets.

    The other seller is just trying to make ends meet. A premier listed coffee establishment is far more expensive to run than what 99% of the people on this forum could imagine - hence the simplistic comparisons that are often naively put forward without much substance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by medalbandit View Post
    OK, I will bite because it's Saturday morning and reading nonsense with a hangover is bound to fire anyone up.

    A low yield 10kg roaster ? alas, that was the immediate giveaway.......the term as it refers to roasting platforms does not exist. In other words it's a meaningless phrase that can't be applied in any practical sense, so I'm afraid that statement just backfired to blow a trumpet.

    A 4000 dollar setup is unfortunately another attempt to establish credential. Matters not. Owning a supercar and complaining about the price of fuel is something one of my friends often whinges about which is absolutely hilarious because he drives like my Grandma on the way home from a bowls tournament.

    I know where those Coles beans are roasted and whilst the ingredients are not going to ever be made public, it is sourced with the sole objective of lowest cost only. Take that as you may.

    Putting aside your objective and unbiased cupping........you have compared 2 different products in 2 different markets with 2 different seller's objectives.

    One those sellers is using a powerful portfolio pricing tactic intended to rupture a market for their own monopolistic benefit with the sole objective to kill off competition across a range of essential food staples - milk, bread and other food manufacturing businesses (biscuits, nuts, fruit & vegetables) in Australia that have been destroyed in the last 5 years from predatory behavior of supermarkets.

    The other seller is just trying to make ends meet. A premier listed coffee establishment is far more expensive to run than what 99% of the people on this forum could imagine - hence the simplistic comparisons that are often naively put forward without much substance.
    Nailed it.
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    It never ceases to amaze me how a thread like this, with almost zero interest to the wider community, gets resurrected after years of inactivity. Usually by members who want to up their post count so that they can unload some gear. Clearly not the case here, but really ???

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    I do not know where to begin. I read all of your comments objectively. That is more than I can say for those who read and replied to my post.
    I stated that I use premium beans; no they are not stale as I cannot use the beans fast enough to warrant buying in bulk, I buy in 250g increments. They are one to two days from roast date when purchased. They are finished by either the 13th or 14th day after roasting.
    I am simply saying that for $13 a kilo vs premium $49 a kilo beans the coles have a really good quality only 10 - 15% worse than my premium beans.
    If any of you live in SA contact me here if you want to have a cupping, happy to be proven wrong or to have useful criticism.
    I suggest you read someones post objectively before you criticize because if you read carefully I am not promoting the coles over anything just making a generalized observation.
    Fyi I made "low yield" up. It suits me well to describe a small roasting house and the perks etc as opposed to the commercialized 60kg + "high yield" roasting operations. I have found through experience that generally speaking the higher the quantity of coffee roasted in one cycle the flavor profile suffers. But that is just my experience.

    To ScottyF, non objective, non scientific non academics not welcomed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Davetaylor View Post
    I do not know where to begin. I read all of your comments objectively. That is more than I can say for those who read and replied to my post.
    I stated that I use premium beans; no they are not stale as I cannot use the beans fast enough to warrant buying in bulk, I buy in 250g increments. They are one to two days from roast date when purchased. They are finished by either the 13th or 14th day after roasting.
    I am simply saying that for $13 a kilo vs premium $49 a kilo beans the coles have a really good quality only 10 - 15% worse than my premium beans.
    If any of you live in SA contact me here if you want to have a cupping, happy to be proven wrong or to have useful criticism.
    I suggest you read someones post objectively before you criticize because if you read carefully I am not promoting the coles over anything just making a generalized observation.
    Fyi I made "low yield" up. It suits me well to describe a small roasting house and the perks etc as opposed to the commercialized 60kg + "high yield" roasting operations. I have found through experience that generally speaking the higher the quantity of coffee roasted in one cycle the flavor profile suffers. But that is just my experience.

    To ScottyF, non objective, non scientific non academics not welcomed.
    Try "Small Batch Roaster" or perhaps "Micro Roastery"

    Making stuff up merely sets the tone for the remainder of your argument.
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    I'm sure your intentions were of the best Dave, some of the people who have responded with skepticism are pretty knowledgeable re all things coffee.

    Bear in mind the fact that the best quality, well roasted beans can be reduced to little better than saw dust in inexperienced hands.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    You can't really 'cup' the Coles coffee as it's not roasted to the right level required under cupping protocols. You CAN do a side by side taste test. If this is what you want to do it needs to be a blind taste test with at least 3 (preferably more) 'tasters'. Until then it's all just subjective and hate to say it but possibly says more about your palate than anything else.



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