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    What machine shall I buy?

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    Hi everyone,

    I'm not sure if this is the right section to post this in but here goes....

    I know this may be opening a can of worms and it could be like the question "How long is a bit of string" but....I'm interested in pepoles' comments and suggestions...

    I've had tinka toys at home for the good part of about 15 years... Starting off with the old Saeco Magic Deluxe....You see I enjoy texturing the milk... I have changed to the fully automatic DeLongi, and had a heap of trouble with that...So much so that Delongi changed it to a Prima Donna Magnifica S and had a heap of trouble with that...It literally has been in for repair longer than I have had the machine at home...Anyway enough moaning...I'm looking for a good quality machine so we can have nice coffees at home and entertain with it as well around the $2,00.00 mark ...Looking at using between .25 kilo and .5 kilo of coffee per week...

    Cut and copied from my intro...

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    Welcome to CS.

    Does that budget include a grinder?

    I suggest you email the site sponsors (there's a link) and diacuss your wants and needs in more detail with them.

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    Keep in mind bigdaddy that a decent grinder is essential to get a decent brew out of any machine, in fact many would suggest that a quality grinder is even more important than the machine, I tend to agree, I use a Mazzer Mini and am very happy with it.
    You could start be looking here grinders

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    I'm presuming the $2,00.00 is meant to be $2000? You've been using autos - are you looking for another auto or do you want to get more manual in your coffee-making?

    Personally, although I haven't owned one and have only tried them in office situations, I would stay well away from machines with built-in grinders.

    Do what Thundergod suggests and include your preferred model for making coffee so they have an idea of what to advise. i.e. if you don't want a manual process they can quote for an auto and grinder instead.

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    Welcome Bigdaddy.

    Two thing that most CoffeeSnobs agree on is that we dislike fully automatic machines and pod machines.

    There will be a lot of disagreement here as to the best machine for you.

    If you want a machine for about two thousand dollars, that is close to the lower prices of acceptable quality machines.

    I bought my Breville Dual Boiler machine and Smart Grinder 2 ˝ years ago for $1,500 from Dennis Wells, then a CoffeeSnobs Sponsor and it is still going very well. While the first sellers of the BDB in Sydney and Melbourne were CS Sponsors, none are selling them now. They are sold now by many of the big chains of discount electrical stores and department stores.

    You want an espresso machine and grinder suitable for entertaining friends at home. Last weekend I provided coffee to about a dozen friends and my Breville worked very well. The separate steam boiler allows me to brew coffee and steam milk at the same time.

    The latest BDB, BES920, has faster steaming and the ability to easily de-scale the boilers.

    Check with the sellers of coffee machines in Adelaide. Try them out where you can and buy what does what you want, what you would like in your kitchen, within your budget. You have to decide.

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    Espresso Machines | Espresso Machine Reviews | Seattle Coffee Gear has an absolute fantastic set of videos detailing each machine, comparing machines vs one another, grinders, crew choices for grinders and machines. Also, learning how to on every subject. Rocket or Quick Mill with a Mazzer, but really for 2k you are bound to light the lamp. Spend at least 40% of the espresso machine on the grinder..grinder(most important) is the Gretzky setting up Messier the espresso machine.. 99 from Brantford, Ontario greatest of all time..I had a laugh Hockey Double Gold Canada.. Ok I'm done!

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    Welcome to CS bigdaddy,

    Check out the...um...'girls at Seattle', settle in; you'll be in for a laugh as they fumble and bumble around the coffee gear.

    Useful....... but only up to a point ;-D

    The best thing you can do is get your eyes and hands on to some machines at a vendor in Adelaide, try them out, weigh up the pros 'n cons,
    research your shortlist here on CS using the search tab (use google as well) and see which ones pull your string.

    I will also reinforce the above advice re grinder. Choose it first.

    Have fun and keep us 'posted' :-D

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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Welcome to CS bigdaddy,

    Check out the...um...'girls at Seattle', settle in; you'll be in for a laugh as they fumble and bumble around the coffee gear.
    G'Day Chokkidog, ain't the "girls" a riot, watched a video of em demonstrating removal of an E61 filter screen a while back, had me in stitches, wouldn't let em within a country mile of my machine.
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    I don't know why people think the 'girls at Seattle' as such a good source for information about machines. When I first ran across them I watched a few vids and quickly moved on as they appeared to me to be nothing but bumbling idiots with little knowledge of the machines they were supposed to be demoing. I wanted to tell them to STFU and RTFM!

    I've watched a few of their vids since that people have posted and nothing has changed that I can see. The clue phone is ringing but nobody's home!


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    I think the answer is schadenfreude, Javaphile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    G'Day Chokkidog, ain't the "girls" a riot, watched a video of em demonstrating removal of an E61 filter screen a while back, had me in stitches, wouldn't let em within a country mile of my machine.
    Evening Yelta!

    They are a hoot! The Seattle Scratch and Dent Your Machine Show.

    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    I wanted to tell them to STFU and RTFM! The clue phone is ringing but nobody's home!


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    Too right! But there are some genuinely funny things to see on the net..... I'd rather watch those. ;-D

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    Hi folks,

    Thanks for the replies...I appreciate the help...

    Yes I agree Although I have both and have been known to use them because of their convenience...The coffee is not the best from the pod and Auto machines...But either has to be better than instant, Doesn't it?...

    Yes I was thinking $2,000.00 not $2,00.00 as I wrote Journeyman, and I don't mind going a bit more manual, but hey, with the small amount of coffee we drink ATM, The partly Autos would be fine as they take less time to heat up for the first cup I would expect... I've been out of the loop for about 10 years so all the energy saving and newer technology might put that concern to bed but I don't really know now....I'm even OK with good refurbished machines but as I say am flexible...

    Thanks everyone for the advise on grinders...That advise hasn't changed throughout the years...I agree a good quality grinder is a must IMO...

    The price guide was for the machine only...Grinder cost would be extra....

    Thanks folks for your help...If anyone has any more advise please fell free to add to this thread at any time...

    Now I'm off to look at those links, reviews, sponsors, and finally will relax watching The Girls At Seattle...I could do with a laugh...

    Cheers

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    Seattle Coffee Gear reviews are really helpful once you've done all your homework and you want to do a final check to see how 'idiot proof' your chosen machine is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javaphile View Post
    I don't know why people think the 'girls at Seattle' as such a good source for information about machines. When I first ran across them I watched a few vids and quickly moved on as they appeared to me to be nothing but bumbling idiots with little knowledge of the machines they were supposed to be demoing. I wanted to tell them to STFU and RTFM!

    I've watched a few of their vids since that people have posted and nothing has changed that I can see. The clue phone is ringing but nobody's home! Java "Good only for comedy" phile
    With respect to that and all that followed. Guys you are all looking at it from CS point of view which believe me, is not the majority of the market place.

    To a very large proportion of the coffee machine buying public that don't know one end of an espresso machine from the other or what's involved when they first start out looking for their "cappAcHino" machine, these very much down to earth presenters or demonstrators with all their faults, present as people who are very much down to earth that the clients can "trust".

    Even if they aren't your own particular "cup of tea", try looking at them from another perspective.

    Internet phenomenon, and I bet they sell a squillion.
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    Aaah you guys and your internet abbreviations ;-D WRT= 'with respect to'

    Well....re the above post #14: The question was posed on CoffeeSnobs so; ......expect a CoffeeSnobs answer.

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    WRT : with respect to.... done....take a look !

    Oh and for the record, just because I didn't say so, doesn't mean I don't also think they're a hoot. But they serve a purpose...
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    Yep, read TOK's post and wondered about WRT, now I know

    Re the statement "I bet they sell a squillion." reckon your right TOK, bearing in mind they have a market of a squillion potential customers.

    It reminds me of an old saying, a good idea in the US will make you a millionaire, a good idea in Oz will probably send you broke.

    Still reckon the girls are the funniest thing since Martin and Lewis.
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    Or for those that are old enough, Rowan and Martin?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TOK View Post
    Or for those that are old enough, Rowan and Martin?
    Not as funny as the Goon show, but there is synergy there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Yep, read TOK's post and wondered about WRT, now I know

    Re the statement "I bet they sell a squillion." reckon your right TOK, bearing in mind they have a market of a squillion potential customers.

    It reminds me of an old saying, a good idea in the US will make you a millionaire, a good idea in Oz will probably send you broke.

    Still reckon the girls are the funniest thing since Martin and Lewis.
    Take a look at their website, it lists all their staff - they have almost 50 people working across 2 stores, not a small operation!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathon View Post
    Take a look at their website, it lists all their staff - they have almost 50 people working across 2 stores, not a small operation!
    Not surprising in the context of this enthusiasm: :-)

    Coffee in Seattle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Aaah you guys and your internet abbreviations ;-D WRT= 'with respect to'

    Well....re the above post #14: The question was posed on CoffeeSnobs so; ......expect a CoffeeSnobs answer.
    I reckon this one actually pre-dates the internet. If I recall correctly (sorry, IIRC) it is sometimes used in maths when discussing differential calculus problems (e.g. differentiate y wrt x etc.).

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    Crikey! this thread has drifted a touch off topic, Spike Milligan would have been delighted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Crikey! this thread has drifted a touch off topic, Spike Milligan would have been delighted.
    As would Steve Irwin...

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    G'day bigdaddy,

    Back to the original topic, you will struggle to find better finish that that of Diadema.

    Our display model Diadema Junior Semi Auto (PUL) | Talk Coffee may be of interest. We ship to Adelaide all the time.

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    I second the Diadema's - I looked pretty closely for build quality before getting my Reale - and they're right up there
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    Hi folks,

    You guys are funny....I don't mind letting the topic ride (LIR) ....Eventually someone pulls it BOT sorry, in old school talk Back On Topic...re The Goon show etc....Those were the days...I remember my dad religiously tuning into ABC radio at 11.30 (I think) every Saturday morning Listening to it for 1/2hr....I digress...

    What's the Exobar Minore 4th generation like?...Even though it's a tad over what I suggested I would like to pay...I'd consider it if I could get one a a reasonable price and they were good...What's the machine like?....I know quite a while back Exobars were very good value for money machines as a rule.

    Cheers.

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    Hi folks,

    Double post here....Mods please feel free to merge my last 2 posts if you think it's appropriate to do so.

    I'm looking at the Exobar Minore 4 and some one suggested looking the Quick Mill range...As I do not know much about the brand, I was wondering people's thought's on the Quick Mill range of machines?....Do they work well?...Parts availability, servicing, warranty backup and reliability?

    Cheers.

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    Hi folks,

    I've noticed no replies to my last 2 posts....Maybe people don't have time etc...I don't know if these questions are appropriate, if not let's know...Happy to learn.... Or if you haven't already pm'd me perhaps you could pm me and let me know about these two machines.

    My understanding so far is the Minore 4 is a very good machine...I'm not sure about the Quick Mill...

    I know I'd probably get ten thousand different answers but I'm happy to sift through them...I didn't think it was an issue, so if people would be kind enough to let me know their thoughts, hopefully by posting them so others can learn as well, but pm's are good...I'd appreciate that...

    Cheers.

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    I don't have the breadth of experience to give advice on brands. Not sure why others haven't commented...

    Generally I'd look at getting the best grinder you can then work out what coffee you want to make, how many of them in what time frame and how often, then look for a machine that will do it. I don't think it's worth paying big bucks for a machine if you go light on the grinder.

    The advice for 2 espressos a day will be different to that for 6 capps and 4 lattés between 8AM and 9AM every day. You can live with delays waiting for a boiler to re-temp itself for one or two coffees but doing 6 at a time would drive you crazy in a week. (i.e. the 1st instance a single boiler will see you through, the 2nd you've want double boiler, HX or twin thermoblock) What coffees do you think you will be making for your 0.5kg per week?

    For grinders, TampIt has done a pretty thorough job evaluating the Mahlkonig Vario Rev 2 as a decent home use grinder - maybe PM him or search for his posts?

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    I'm same sort of situation, though I always stuck to manual machines, but it's time I upgraded from my Lelit single boiler, my budget is really only $1500 maybe, $2000 by end of year.

    Now the Breville has been around a little while, I think I'll go for it, the 920 update, and I love the black version, really it was gona be that or maybe a Oscar for me, hopefully I can find one around $1200, need to ditch my Sunbeam grinder as that is getting on my nerves, I'll fork out a little more for a smart grinder, then by end of year maybe buy a higher end grinder with the smart as a backup.

    If I'm honest, if I could push my budget to $2000ish right up for the machine, there is a couple of e61 machines in the low $2000 that look good (unless I'm wrong), but I won't swing that this time around, maybe in another 2-3 years for me, maybe.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Have you gone out into the market and actually put your eyes and hands on any machines bigdaddy?

    Did you look at the link Chris put up in post #25 and Matt's endorsement in post #26?

    The Diadema, Vibiemme and Izzo are all top quality machines in build and performance.


    Quote Originally Posted by bigdaddy View Post
    Hi folks,

    I'm looking at the Ex(p)obar Minore 4 and someone suggested looking (at) the Quick Mill range.

    Avoid buying a machine on the say-so of someone, anyone can recommend a machine but no-one knows what's
    best for you. Everyone will champion the machine they own, and rightly so, if it's a good one.... but who determines that?

    To find a machine that's better than anyone's, in the same price bracket, is everyone's wish but what works for someone doesn't work for everyone
    so no-one knows which is really the best one.

    If anyone did some research and made a shortlist, then found someone who sells the machines and made a choice on personal experience
    then no-one would lose and everyone would win.
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