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Thread: Help - ?weevils in my green beans

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    Help - ?weevils in my green beans

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    Aplogies if this in the wrong thread. I was horrified to find today that my last 3 bags of green beans I bought last May have what I think are weevils in them. One bag is very heavily infested and the other two just have a few little critters.

    The bags are the Coffeesnobs zipped calico bags and they have been stored in an enclosed garage on a trolley with the Behmor roaster. They are not stored near any food. All three lots of beans have been roasted previously with no sign of these pests.

    I need advice on 1) what to do with them now. Do I just throw them out? They are in the freezer at present. And 2) when I buy my next lot what is the best way of storing them?

    Thanks for any advice

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    An email to Andy would have been a more appropriate first step.

    Any weevil moths ever existed in your garage?
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    O.K, thanks will send Andy an email. No weevils in the garage, no food stored there, and no animals there either. Very surprised to see them.

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    I got a bag of green beans once direct from a roaster..... When I got home I realised it was full of weevils too. I wasn't to sure what to do with them, so I told him next time I was in there.... He said 200 odd deg sorts them out, and not to worry! Couldn't bring myself to roast them...... Snobby? Maybe....

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    Well that's gross

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    Sift them out using your bean cooler before roasting the beans?

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    I've had to sift 20kgs of flour when living in remote QLD, just to clear a weevil infestation. Be a lot easier to just roast them and come back and let us know how the coffee tasted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    An email to Andy would have been a more appropriate first step.

    Any weevil moths ever existed in your garage?
    I don't think the OP was suggesting the weevils came from Andy - they would have shown up long before now if they did. I'm curious what they are - I didn't think a lot of insects eat coffee beans due to the caffeine content. Any chance you could post a mugshot of the culprits Eleanor?

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    Interesting thread!

    In the near 10 years we have been doing this we might have handled something like 3 to 400,000 kilos of green beans and have had a total of ZERO pests here but we are a fair bit cooler climate than QLD (the insect state that everything grows big, fast and often nasty!!!!)

    There are a few insects at coffee origin that will eat the flesh of the cherry and there are coffee borers that will burrow into the seed (bean) which you can find traces of easily in most coffees but I've never heard of coffee borer making it into the country and the hurdles that we have to jump with AQIS (DAFF) on quarantine samples makes it near impossible to land a live critter. ...besides, if we did then we would have 100's of reports all over the country and would certainly see them here at the Snobbery too.

    Typically processed green beans have no appeal to any pests, insects or vermin and it might be something else that nested there?

    I agree with the above post, I would be curious to know exactly what they are. Maybe put some in a jar and see what they turn into?!?!

    I would be betting they are a local moth or similar that has laid eggs in the cotton bag .
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    Andy, too late to grow them, they are frozen! Yep, in Queensland we throw in the freezer if the food moves. They looked like a weevil and I just measured one, about 2.5m x 1 m. Frozen they look like dark dots. Wished I thought to take a photo while the critters were still alive.

    Sorry, I can't work out how to add photos. I will send them to you Andy via email. This is interesting that I have three bags with 'visitors' - had no idea this wasn't a common occurrence.

    I really don't think I will be roasting these beans!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eleanor View Post
    … I just measured one, about 2.5m x 1 m.
    Hooley Dooley! They could eat a 60kg sack in one gulp!

    There's a new pay TV show "Coffee Monsters with Andy Freeman"

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    I had a laugh! Oops,we do grow them big in Queensland.. Should be 2.5mm x 1mm..

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    I just got a couple of bags. Found holes in some of the beans. Berry Borer, Weevil - Small perfectly round holes, when I brake the bean open and there is a blue mold and its hollow. Andy said its organic. What I want to know is as I didn't see anything crawling around can I just sift them out without having them spread? Will any beans without holes be moldy inside? Eg. They live in the bean and leave the bean as a moth. So my logic is saying yes possibley they could have caused damage to other beans inside but it is not visable from the outside. Hoping to get a bit more info so I don't have to send them back.

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    Wouldn't the roasting temps negate / kill any potential negative effects of the mould?

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    Keen to hear some tasting notes!

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    I think I'll be sending them back. Everyone I spoke to had concerns and said send them back. Dam was looking forwards to tasting.

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    "Wouldn't the roasting temps negate / kill any potential negative effects of the mould?"

    I wouldn't want to risk it. Many molds can be quite dangerous. Can in fact not have an immediate effect. So say "Food safety". Reminds me of a tick bite.

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    Please excuse my typing, doing this on a phone from the otherside of the planet.
    As I explained to you in the PayPal claim you made the holes you have found in a few of the organic certified beans are perfectly normal and in fact expected.
    The insect damage is done at coffee origin and only while the seed had its fruit. Once processed nothing I know will damage then.

    I spoke with a farmer of 30 years today about it too. It's not unlike finding an apple with a worm hole... Natural and normal and not something to worry about.
    The discoloration in the bean is also part of that process and won't grow or change unless you wet the bean and grow a new mold.
    Coffee that has been covered in insecticide won't get holes but it will kill every living thing around it including ants and honey bees (also confirmed today with same farmer)
    Your coffee is fine, roast it well and enjoy!

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    My Mexican El Malinal has a bit of this going on. Roasts up REALLY WELL, tastes delicious! I'd take the holes in some of my beans any day than a bean that's finicky and hard to roast.

    I must confess, pouring out 700g to roast, I hand picked out about 25 beans that would've become roasting defects, but this is mainly 'cause I'm also hand sifting for other foreign objects before roasting. Honestly, roast your beans, they'll be fine.
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    Ain't human beans strange creatures, we pay a premium for, and treat with great reverence, coffee beans that have passed through a Civet cats alimentary tract and then fired out of its arse, however its a case of shock horror when we notice a bit of insect damage on a few of em.
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    I guess also these days people get shocked to learn that an agricultural product doesn't actually originate in a supermarket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    I guess also these days people get shocked to learn that an agricultural product doesn't actually originate in a supermarket.
    It doesn't?

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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    I guess also these days people get shocked to learn that an agricultural product doesn't actually originate in a supermarket.
    Sad but true, an old friend who was a primary school teacher in the city once commented that were discussing something in class, the subject of milk came up, the kids told her that milk came "from the shops".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Ain't human beans strange
    Where do you get those?

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    If you spot a faster moving weevil, red white and blue in colour, that will be Weevil Knievel.

    I'll go now...
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    If you spot a faster moving weevil, red white and blue in colour, that will be Weevil Knievel.

    I'll go now...
    Apologies in advance.....

    The slower one would definitely be the lesser of two weevils.
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    My dad always told me "See no weevil, hear no weevil speak no weevil"
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    The slower one would definitely be the lesser of two weevils.
    a faster moving weevil, red white and blue in colour, that will be Weevil Knievel
    My dad always told me "See no weevil, hear no weevil speak no weevil"
    I'll see your weevil puns and raise you a...

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    This thread has taken a great turn, love it.

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    Hmmmm, as Peggy Lee sang (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCRZZC-DH7M) was at least expecting someone to ask Andy to (deliver us from weevil)
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    When I was in the navy we had weevils in the flour within a couple of weeks after leaving land. They added some fresh meat to the diet. Never did me any harm so I would continue to roast the coffee.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stan View Post
    When I was in the navy we had weevils in the flour within a couple of weeks after leaving land. They added some fresh meat to the diet. Never did me any harm so I would continue to roast the coffee.
    Think most of us seniors have had a similar experience Stan, these youngsters need a good dose of toughen up.
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    Yep, my family and I have lived and worked in some very remote locations in mostly tropical areas where fresh anything was a distant reality. Weevils and other creepy crawlies were pretty well expected to be setting up house in anything remotely resembling flour, rice, potato flakes, etc....

    Anyone who was particularly worried about them could pick them out after they were cooked and put 'em on the side of your plate...

    Mal.
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    Same here Mal.....many years spent in remote jungles, mainly in Indo. Crikey if it wasn't for weevils one often wouldn't have had one's weekly protein intake!
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    Knock Knock
    Who's there !
    Weevil !
    Weevil who ?
    Weevil only be staying a minute !

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    Well, I guess we can all agree they won't do you any harm - knowing that is half the beetle.
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    It seems that this non issue is bugging some people.

    Cheers

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    All, I think via some of the flippant responses we are seeing via this thread people are ignoring the real threat here. Ninja cats are starting to stow away in random bags of green beans. Are any of us safe anymore?


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