Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 50 of 63
Like Tree69Likes

Thread: Selling coffee on the day of roast

  1. #1
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    54

    Selling coffee on the day of roast

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Recently we were travelling through Sydney to a coastal holiday with some friends and I decided to stop at Campos in Alexandria to pick up a couple of bags of beans as I had packed stovetop, aero press and hand grinder but forgot to pack my bean bay home roasted coffee Anyway when I went to make coffees that afternoon I was surprised and a little annoyed to see the roast date on the packets were the same date. I had always assumed that the first couple of days were off limits and it was only worth drinking from day 4 onwards. I tried the beans anyway and they were a bit charry and bitter. They got better throughout the holiday and were excellent on the the morning when we had to leave 6 days later. Have I got this wrong? Is it normal for (good) commercial roasters to sell beans on the day of roast? Or was it a bit rude to sell them on the same day without pointing out they had just been roasted?
    Last edited by Recaffinated; 31st May 2014 at 09:22 PM.

  2. #2
    Senior Member shapeshifter's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Newcastle
    Posts
    726
    I know a roaster in VIC and he has stated that some of his commercial customers actually demand it.

    No accounting for taste though, all I can think of is how many people out there love their coffee and are willing to drink any old swill they are given.

  3. #3
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,496
    How were they to know when you wanted to use them?
    Dimal, Inga51, Vinitasse and 3 others like this.

  4. #4
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    54
    Quote Originally Posted by Thundergod View Post
    How were they to know when you wanted to use them?
    They should have been able to tell from the desperate look in my eyes and the fact I had my grinder in the other hand as I paid for the beans.

    Seriously though I would have thought that you either sell beans when they're ready to be consumed or you explain that they won't be at their best for x number of days.

    i realise that the real crime is found with supermarket grade beans which have a best before date and are months old and that the likes of Campos are the solution not the problem, but it did seem surprising.

  5. #5
    Senior Member Vinitasse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula VIC
    Posts
    1,251
    Quote Originally Posted by Recaffinated View Post
    They should have been able to tell from the desperate look in my eyes and the fact I had my grinder in the other hand as I paid for the beans.

    Seriously though I would have thought that you either sell beans when they're ready to be consumed or you explain that they won't be at their best for x number of days.

    i realise that the real crime is found with supermarket grade beans which have a best before date and are months old and that the likes of Campos are the solution not the problem, but it did seem surprising.
    That would be like expecting bottle shops and wineries to only sell wines that are ready to drink. We make it fresh, we sell it fresh... you decide when to drink it.
    chokkidog, TC, Thundergod and 1 others like this.

  6. #6
    Senior Member artman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Posts
    2,397
    Better being too fresh than too stale!

    On the odd occasion I buy roasted beans, I go through the packets on the shelf and pick the one with the roast date that suits me best.

    Cheers

  7. #7
    Senior Member Erimus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Kippa-Ring Qld
    Posts
    353
    This threads given me the biggest chuckle of the day
    chokkidog, TC, Vinitasse and 1 others like this.

  8. #8
    Senior Member javabeen's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2006
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    496
    Buying them fresh the day they were roasted they can only get better and gives you the chance to experiment for your taste . I try and remember to ask when they peak as they're best positioned to know this.
    chokkidog, TC and Vinitasse like this.

  9. #9
    TC
    TC is offline
    .
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    14,665
    Leaving some of them open on a bench and exposed to air overnight would have easily solved your not problem.

    We also sell beans very close to roast date and sometimes literally straight out of the destoner. Javabeen (above) did exactly that on Friday.

    It's much better for beans to peak at your place, not ours.
    Last edited by TC; 1st June 2014 at 08:50 AM.

  10. #10
    Member
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    52
    Selling just-roasted beans is perfectly fine. I generally buy 2 bags at once: one roasted about a week prior to consume straight away, and one roasted in the previous couple of days to consume the following week.

  11. #11
    Senior Member Yelta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Moonta SA.
    Posts
    6,807
    So, you bought freshly roasted beans that continued to improve over 6 days.

    I reckon you hit the jackpot.
    chokkidog, TC and saroadie like this.

  12. #12
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Posts
    119
    At our roastery we sell retail beans to the public from 0-7 days old generally.
    Our wholesale customers get 7 day old coffee and we expect them to age them for another 7 before using.
    Most home users will have 1 bag last days or weeks so the fresher the beans are the longer they will last.

  13. #13
    Senior Member Barry O'Speedwagon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    PRL
    Posts
    2,585
    While there's obviously no problem with selling very fresh beans, surely it makes sound commercial sense to emphasise this at the point of sale in retail outlets of the type the OP is referring to. No point having people thinking your beans are a bit rough and not knowing why.
    shapeshifter and Recaffinated like this.

  14. #14
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    54
    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    While there's obviously no problem with selling very fresh beans, surely it makes sound commercial sense to emphasise this at the point of sale in retail outlets of the type the OP is referring to. No point having people thinking your beans are a bit rough and not knowing why.
    Thanks BO'S This is really the point of my query. I wouldn't give a friend a bag of corretto roasted beans on the same day of roast without suggesting they wait a 3 or so days before trying it. I think that the majority of coffee drinkers, even many discerning ones, don't understand the ageing process at all ( I didn't until I came across the forum) Of course I understand freshness is key my only point is that a little more information and education would add so much. Don't get me wrong I think the world of Campos coffee so I was not having a go at them, on the contrary they were one of inspirations on my coffee journey.
    Cheers

  15. #15
    Sleep is overrated Thundergod's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    10,496
    I used to be able to buy week old beans from my regular roaster, but they've become so popular they never have anything that old in the shop these days.
    I now have to buy freshly roasted and deal with it.
    chokkidog likes this.

  16. #16
    Senior Member chokkidog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    2,095
    Quote Originally Posted by Recaffinated View Post
    Anyway when I went to make coffees that afternoon I was surprised and a little annoyed to see the roast date on the packets were the same date. roast? Or was it a bit rude to sell them on the same day without pointing out they had just been roasted?
    Fair go ...... you, being the coffee connoisseur, failed to check the roast date and want to hang it on the retailer?

    As a roaster I need to sell and/or ship my coffee ASAP after roasting, rather than hanging on to stock for 5 - 7 days waiting for all the connoisseurs to show up....
    exactly at the right moment. Or not.
    javabeen, TC, Vinitasse and 1 others like this.

  17. #17
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Discovery Bay, HK
    Posts
    268
    We all make mistakes. His first one was to forget to bring along his stash and the second mistake followed soon enough. Aren't they suppose to come in 3s?

  18. #18
    Senior Member Yelta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Moonta SA.
    Posts
    6,807
    I suspect the third was starting this thread, he doesn't seem to have garnered a lot of sympathy.

    Guess we all have bad days.

  19. #19
    Senior Member Barry O'Speedwagon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    PRL
    Posts
    2,585
    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Fair go ...... you, being the coffee connoisseur, failed to check the roast date and want to hang it on the retailer?

    As a roaster I need to sell and/or ship my coffee ASAP after roasting, rather than hanging on to stock for 5 - 7 days waiting for all the connoisseurs to show up....
    exactly at the right moment. Or not.
    Can I ask you a question though, Chokkidog? Now I don't know whether you sell from any form of a retail shopfront, but let's say you did....if someone bought beans on the day of roasting, surely you'd point this out (or want any staff you may have to point this out) to the buyer? Got to be a better chance of repeat business from a drop in customer (partic. those that don't know a lot about roasting / brewing dates).
    NakiChap and Pete39 like this.

  20. #20
    TC
    TC is offline
    .
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    14,665
    Woulda been much more of a mistake had it been 3 months old!

  21. #21
    Senior Member Barry O'Speedwagon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    PRL
    Posts
    2,585
    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    I suspect the third was starting this thread, he doesn't seem to have garnered a lot of sympathy.

    Guess we all have bad days.
    I might be on my own here, but I think the OP is copping a bit more flack than is necessary, largely based on the title of the thread, rather than the full text of his/her post, or their later post where they clarified their point (post #14).
    NakiChap, Pete39, deegee and 1 others like this.

  22. #22
    Senior Member Yelta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Moonta SA.
    Posts
    6,807
    Point taken Barry, still don't reckon he had anything to whinge about.

    I reckon his experience was a pretty good outcome, do ya reckon he will check the roast date next time?

  23. #23
    Senior Member Barry O'Speedwagon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Dec 2011
    Location
    PRL
    Posts
    2,585
    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Point taken Barry, still don't reckon he had anything to whinge about.

    I reckon his experience was a pretty good outcome, do ya reckon he will check the roast date next time?
    Yes, I think he/she might very well do so

  24. #24
    Senior Member Vinitasse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula VIC
    Posts
    1,251
    Perhaps the OP would be happier if coffee were labelled with the following warning: "WARNING, Contents May Be Fresh" in the same way that coffee takeaway lids in the U.S. declare: "WARNING, Contents May Be Hot"

  25. #25
    Senior Member Lovey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    South Coast NSW
    Posts
    841
    Sounds like it could come under the banner of being a '1st world problem'.

  26. #26
    Senior Member chokkidog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    2,095
    Quote Originally Posted by Barry O'Speedwagon View Post
    Can I ask you a question though, Chokkidog? if someone bought beans on the day of roasting, surely you'd point this out to the buyer?
    It's rare for me to sell on roast day, by the time I've roasted, destoned, packaged, printed off invoices and packed orders for shipping/delivery......it's usually dark.

    For that reason I avoid roasting Thursday or Friday.... to aid in delivery time.

    For those that receive orders by mail or courier, their coffee is usually in their hands 2-5 days post roast. My clients order so as not to run out, so resting is not an issue. What is the issue for me, however, is that the clients get control of their purchase as soon as possible. Once it has been paid for, it belongs to them, not me.

    Deliveries?......Some wholesale clients want their coffee delivered at day 7, others ASAP after roasting....... it's their choice.

    Now, let's step out of the bubble, both yours and mine, just for a moment. I have direct retail outlets via a couple of markets, so the coffee I sell on weekends is (normally) between 2 and 3 days fresh.

    My regulars, an ever-growing number, come and purchase their beans and while the transaction takes place, engage in conversation about this or that; sometimes coffee, sometimes not.

    New customers will often ask a series of questions,....... is it ground ? No. It's just beans?..... Yes. What beans are in it? .....xxxxx. What does it taste like?...... yadayadayada.

    So, inevitably, it'll come around to me asking; so how do you prepare your coffee at home? If it's a plunger........you can use it straight up; if it's a machine or moka pot? It'll be best from Monday or Tuesday .......... but most people already have coffee in their cupboard.

    There are the folk buying coffee for Mum, or Dad, daughter or son.......... they don't generally listen to anything I say.

    And then there are the ones who just don't want to engage, just silently hand you the cash and walk off with their prize.

    One thing's for certain tho' ; my business is growing not shrinking. So in the big wide world of reality.......... not everyone is a coffee snob.

    I recently had one couple come to my stall. They purchased a 250 gm bag from me a year ago, but she became pregnant before they opened it.

    They had kept it, drank it recently (!!!!), said it was fantastic and wanted more. I said that I hoped it wouldn't be another year...........wink, wink!!



    [/QUOTE] Got to be a better chance of repeat business from a drop in customer (partic. those that don't know a lot about roasting / brewing dates).[/QUOTE]

    Incomplete sentence but I think I know where you're going.......

    No, you're thinking like a coffee snob. If they open the coffee the day after purchase, it's likely to be 4 days old. By the time they finish the bag it will be 10-14 or more days old.

    By then they will have forgotten how it tasted when they first opened it but realised how much they have come to like it.

    I have only knowingly lost one client, (who could have become regular)........... but they wanted a PNG coffee roasted 'til it was oily
    and only 500 gms/ fortnight >>I told them that it wasn't going to happen.

    We parted still 'friendly'. No harm done, I recommended someone else. There may be others of course....... no-one has come and told me!!

    But it's not for want of good coffee. ;-)
    Last edited by chokkidog; 1st June 2014 at 11:01 PM.
    smokey and kutis like this.

  27. #27
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    54
    Frankly I'm astounded by the dismissive or critical nature of many of the responses. Many of which misrepresent the primary point of post. I had said I was annoyed because I would have thought a speciality roaster which charges a (well deserved ) premium for their roasted coffee did not point out that coffee would not be at its best consumed on the day of roast. I did not say they should not sell it the same day and instead leave it in some cellar to age - for goodness sakes!

    Sure roasters are entitled to sell their coffee in whatever manner or within whatever timeframe they choose. I had intended my point to be about information and education and improving the general knowledge of the average consumer.
    sure I should have checked the roast date - I don't blame Campos for that. But seriously I had thought this forum was meant to be a supportive way to exchange ideas and information about coffee and what I have seen in this thread suggests otherwise. I have tried to be fair but except for a couple of posts I don't believe that the same courtesy has been afforded to me. I originally thought I would try to address some of the criticisms that were unfounded but it would be a tall order because there have been so many comments that don't really stand up to much scrutiny.
    To suggest for example my post is indicative of a "first world problem" is so laughable in the context of this forum but is indicative of the nature of the responses from many posters who I had until now respect for. Many of the commercial roasters on this forum have been so critical of what I thought was a minor but yet a point worthy of discussion I'm at a loss to understand why they would react so vehemently. Yes I know consumers are annoying and expect everything for nothing but I went to great lengths to try and explain that I held the specific roaster in high regard but that hasn't seemed to blunt the attack.

    anyway it's quite disappointing and I think I will keep my questions to myself from now on.
    MrJack, Pete39, deegee and 1 others like this.

  28. #28
    Senior Member Yelta's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2009
    Location
    Moonta SA.
    Posts
    6,807
    I saw no "attack" in the thread Recaffeiated, reckon you need to lighten up a little, most of it consists of light hearted banter.

    However if any of my comments offended you I apologise.

  29. #29
    Senior Member Vinitasse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula VIC
    Posts
    1,251
    Quote Originally Posted by Recaffinated View Post
    Frankly I'm astounded by the dismissive or critical nature of many of the responses. Many of which misrepresent the primary point of post. I had said I was annoyed because I would have thought a speciality roaster which charges a (well deserved ) premium for their roasted coffee did not point out that coffee would not be at its best consumed on the day of roast. I did not say they should not sell it the same day and instead leave it in some cellar to age - for goodness sakes!

    Sure roasters are entitled to sell their coffee in whatever manner or within whatever timeframe they choose. I had intended my point to be about information and education and improving the general knowledge of the average consumer.
    sure I should have checked the roast date - I don't blame Campos for that. But seriously I had thought this forum was meant to be a supportive way to exchange ideas and information about coffee and what I have seen in this thread suggests otherwise. I have tried to be fair but except for a couple of posts I don't believe that the same courtesy has been afforded to me. I originally thought I would try to address some of the criticisms that were unfounded but it would be a tall order because there have been so many comments that don't really stand up to much scrutiny.
    To suggest for example my post is indicative of a "first world problem" is so laughable in the context of this forum but is indicative of the nature of the responses from many posters who I had until now respect for. Many of the commercial roasters on this forum have been so critical of what I thought was a minor but yet a point worthy of discussion I'm at a loss to understand why they would react so vehemently. Yes I know consumers are annoying and expect everything for nothing but I went to great lengths to try and explain that I held the specific roaster in high regard but that hasn't seemed to blunt the attack.

    anyway it's quite disappointing and I think I will keep my questions to myself from now on.
    You certainly didn't mind sharing with everyone how you were "annoyed" and thought that the roastery had been "a bit rude" to sell beans on the same day they were roasted without providing any of the cautions and warnings you seemed to be in need of. It would seem to me that you have no difficulty being critical of the actions of others so perhaps it is only fair that you be willing to wear a bit of the same in return when others do not completely concur.

    Let me ask you this... do you get annoyed, or think it rude, when Coles doesn't warn you that the green bananas you just bought are not at their best for immediate consumption and will most definitely improve after a few days... or ... do you simply rely on your own common sense and knowledge and make such decisions without someone holding your hand and pointing you in the right direction?
    Thundergod likes this.

  30. #30
    Senior Member Vinitasse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula VIC
    Posts
    1,251
    I have to agree with Yelta... many of us were merely presenting "the other side of the coin" in a light hearted sort of way. Please feel free to share your opinions as often as you like but do not be surprised when these opinions are countered, refuted or even dismissed out of hand. Conversation and dialogue has to be a two way street or else it is comes across as nothing more than a speech or a rant. We're all here to share so please don't be shy.

  31. #31
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2009
    Posts
    140

    Smile

    Wow.

    While I agree that buying coffee on the same day it's roasted isn't a big deal, I'm not sure some of the responses are in the spirit of the forum. I joined this forum and learnt so much about coffee from it a few years back but I can honestly say that the 'mood' of the forum and some of the responses to people lately definitely has a different tone.

    What about letting people like me (and possibly Recaffinated) who don't necessarily have careers in coffee and are still learning, ask a few questions, silly or not, without being jumped on? It's all about learning more isn't it?? :-)
    Banjo.au, Pete39, deegee and 5 others like this.

  32. #32
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Posts
    395
    I was at Toby's today and all the bags of one of their blends was almost 2 weeks old (19 May) despite the dispenser being dated 26 May...

  33. #33
    Senior Member chokkidog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    2,095
    Quote Originally Posted by Tango View Post
    Wow.

    While I agree that buying coffee on the same day it's roasted isn't a big deal, I'm not sure some of the responses are in the spirit of the forum. I joined this forum and learnt so much about coffee from it a few years back but I can honestly say that the 'mood' of the forum and some of the responses to people lately definitely has a different tone.

    What about letting people like me (and possibly Recaffinated) who don't necessarily have careers in coffee and are still learning, ask a few questions, silly or not, without being jumped on? It's all about learning more isn't it?? :-)
    Having read the thread for a second time I don't think there's much of an issue other than that inevitably created by the 'masked conversation' that is the internet.

    The OP set the tone by using words such as 'annoyed' and 'rude' when referring to their experience at a roaster whom they named.

    It's not a great thing to name people/small businesses who won't have the right of reply. Keep the question more general.

    And as I have stated before ...... there is no such thing as a silly question and this particular question may have fallen into this category,

    generating a less pointed line of response, if it had been worded a bit differently.

    I use a Mac and so the emoticons on CS aren' available ( unless I download from another source??) so the grins and winks are sometimes missing.

    Personally, I don't think the tone or mood of CS is anything but 'same, same but different'. It is an awesome and very helpful forum with

    many regular members who generously give up a lot their time to help others, researching, writing, responding, encouraging,

    even when the info being sought is sometimes just a few keystrokes away in a search bar.

    We are all human and in this age of usernames and anonymity it doesn't always go how we'd like it too, on both sides of the fence, and

    our humanity feels threatened, I understand that, not being brought up in an electronic world.

    This is the internet, and as someone once told me........... people being nice to people.......in your dreams!!

    But Coffeesnobs is still a cut, well above the rest!

    Keep the questions coming and 'recaffinated' ( hmmmmm....interesting auto correct !! ) it might be a baptism of fire , of sorts,

    but you are a part of something great here and I think this thread actually demonstrates that fact.
    Last edited by Javaphile; 4th June 2014 at 06:42 PM. Reason: Removal of Response
    Vinitasse and Erimus like this.

  34. #34
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Sydney, Australia, Australia
    Posts
    15
    Quote Originally Posted by Recaffinated View Post
    I had always assumed that the first couple of days were off limits and it was only worth drinking from day 4 onwards. I tried the beans anyway and they were a bit charry and bitter. They got better throughout the holiday and were excellent on the the morning when we had to leave 6 days later.
    As somebody who is restricted to no coffee after lunch, the 250g bags sold by Campos can last me up to 10 days, depending on what else I'm doing. I find that for my standard go-to Campos blends (Obama Blend and Dark City), for my method of preparation and drinking, and my personal taste preferences, the beans peak around 4-7 days after roasting. I also find that the decay is pretty quick after day 7.

    (This is one of the reasons I'm starting to get into roasting my own beans, so I can do smaller quantities, more often)

    So when I head up to Newtown, I pick up a bag that was roasted at the most the day before, and preferably the same day. The first consumption will be the following morning, 24-48 hours after roasting. This means that while the first two days of the bag may be sub-optimum, the next week is pretty spectacular, and at worst, I'm only hitting the decay in the last couple of days ownership. If I bought 3 or 4 day old beans to have the optimum hit on day 1, my later days would be less pleasurable, and the total area under the locus of happiness would be smaller.

  35. #35
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Toowoomba QLD
    Posts
    417
    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Having read the thread for a second time I don't think there's much of an issue other than that inevitably created by the 'masked conversation' that is the internet.


    But Coffeesnobs is still a cut, well above the rest!
    Who do you think "the rest" are and how do you figure CS is well above them?

  36. #36
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    54
    [QUOTE=chokkidog;532156]Having read the thread for a second time I don't think there's much of an issue other than that inevitably created by the 'masked conversation' that is the internet.

    The OP set the tone by using words such as 'annoyed' and 'rude' when referring to their experience at a roaster whom they named.

    I see see that the thread is still going and I continue to be misrepresented. I'm surprised that even after rereading the thread you continue misquote me. In my OP I said I was surprised and a bit annoyed. More to the point I didn't say they were rude instead I asked the following question:

    "Have I got this wrong? Is it normal for (good) commercial roasters to sell beans on the day of roast? Or was it a bit rude to sell them on the same day without pointing out they had just been roasted?"
    the difference between what you say I said and what I actually said is small but significant.

    It's not a great thing to name people/small businesses who won't have the right of reply. Keep the question more general.

    Really. Did you read my posts! Did you read no.14 where I said:"Don't get me wrong I think the world of Campos coffee so I was not having a go at them, on the contrary they were one of inspirations on my coffee journey."

    And as I have stated before ...... there is no such thing as a silly question and this particular question may have fallen into this category, generating a less pointed line of response, if it had been worded a bit differently.

    i can handle that you and other esteemed senior members of the forum think the premise of my post to be silly, that's fine what I can't abide is the mis characterisation of what I actually wrote to justify flaming me.

    i take some comfort from some of the posters who have tried to be fair and balanced and in particular I am grateful for the PMs that also expressed surprise at the reaction I received. Most usefully One member pointed me to another excellent forum where I am told there is more consideration shown to contributors.

  37. #37
    Senior Member Vinitasse's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2010
    Location
    Mornington Peninsula VIC
    Posts
    1,251
    Dear Recaffinated, you concluded your original post by asking the two following questions:

    1. Is it normal for (good) commercial roasters to sell beans on the day of roast?
    2. Or was it a bit rude to sell them on the same day without pointing out they had just been roasted?

    These questions were then answered by those best able to answer them, by commercial roasters. You appear to have been expecting answers in support of your own somewhat indignant reaction and were ultimately disappointed when the majority of the replies presented another view.

    As stated previously, please feel free to ask as many questions as you like, but please be adult enough to handle what ever eventuates... it's all a part of the give and take that makes the dialogue here on CS as interesting, informative and as rewarding as it usually tends to be.
    TC likes this.

  38. #38
    Senior Member Lovey's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    South Coast NSW
    Posts
    841
    Quote Originally Posted by Recaffinated View Post
    Recently we were travelling through Sydney to a coastal holiday with some friends and I decided to stop at Campos in Alexandria to pick up a couple of bags of beans as I had packed stovetop, aero press and hand grinder but forgot to pack my bean bay home roasted coffee Anyway when I went to make coffees that afternoon I was surprised and a little annoyed to see the roast date on the packets were the same date. I had always assumed that the first couple of days were off limits and it was only worth drinking from day 4 onwards. I tried the beans anyway and they were a bit charry and bitter. They got better throughout the holiday and were excellent on the the morning when we had to leave 6 days later. Have I got this wrong? Is it normal for (good) commercial roasters to sell beans on the day of roast? Or was it a bit rude to sell them on the same day without pointing out they had just been roasted?
    Firstly, my apologies if I caused you any angst with my ill conceived comment.
    You may have been the victim of 'internet knowledge' in relation to beans being 'off limits' for the first few days. This can be true for espresso extraction, as the beans are still out gassing CO2 which can make the espresso shot all funky and frothy.
    It may have an effect on other extraction methods like plunger or aeropress, but it shouldn't present too much of a problem.
    The 'charry and bitter' comment would ordinarily indicate over roasted beans, or use of water that is too hot during the extraction, which no amount of resting time after roast would fix up. Could I be so bold as to suggest a slightly too-high water temperature in your aeropress, which you either rectified or got accustomed to during your stay? I'll go with the former.
    Anyways, Murphy's law would dictate that your best experiences in any holiday are inversely proportional to the amount of time remaining on said trip. Every time I go away snow skiiing, it snows on the night before I'm due to leave :-( .
    My apologies again and I hope you do stick around to gain and share some knowledge with the rest of CS.
    Steve

  39. #39
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Brisbane QLD
    Posts
    11
    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Leaving some of them open on a bench and exposed to air overnight would have easily solved your not problem.

    We also sell beans very close to roast date and sometimes literally straight out of the destoner. Javabeen (above) did exactly that on Friday.

    It's much better for beans to peak at your place, not ours.
    Have often done this also Chris as a commercial roaster. Sometimes customers demand coffee on day one so they can experience the changes through the development stage.
    I still to this day taste coffee from day one. I find that is a great learning tool to experience the changes and fully document a roast. The great thing about coffee roasting is that there are NO hard and fast rules for anything - just basic guidelines "Best Practice" as you will. Sometimes what I thought were my greatest mistakes have actually unearthed my greatest successes.
    javabeen, chokkidog and Vinitasse like this.

  40. #40
    Member
    Join Date
    Jan 2014
    Location
    Canberra
    Posts
    54
    Quote Originally Posted by Lovey View Post
    Firstly, my apologies if I caused you any angst with my ill conceived comment.
    You may have been the victim of 'internet knowledge' in relation to beans being 'off limits' for the first few days. This can be true for espresso extraction, as the beans are still out gassing CO2 which can make the espresso shot all funky and frothy.
    It may have an effect on other extraction methods like plunger or aeropress, but it shouldn't present too much of a problem.
    The 'charry and bitter' comment would ordinarily indicate over roasted beans, or use of water that is too hot during the extraction, which no amount of resting time after roast would fix up. Could I be so bold as to suggest a slightly too-high water temperature in your aeropress, which you either rectified or got accustomed to during your stay? I'll go with the former.
    Anyways, Murphy's law would dictate that your best experiences in any holiday are inversely proportional to the amount of time remaining on said trip. Every time I go away snow skiiing, it snows on the night before I'm due to leave :-( .
    My apologies again and I hope you do stick around to gain and share some knowledge with the rest of CS.
    Steve
    Thanks Steve I appreciate your comments and the information that you have provided above. It's this type of response that drew me to CS in the first place as I'm very keen to improve my coffee knowledge.

  41. #41
    Member
    Join Date
    Feb 2013
    Posts
    33
    I'm always more concerned when they don't have a roast date marked at all. Just tell me when it was done and I'll be the judge if it suits my rate of consumption and needs based on the various reasons mentioned in this thread.
    Procat, Thundergod and jamesjames like this.

  42. #42
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2010
    Location
    Toowoomba QLD
    Posts
    417
    Quote Originally Posted by Vinitasse View Post
    Perhaps the OP would be happier if coffee were labelled with the following warning: "WARNING, Contents May Be Fresh" in the same way that coffee takeaway lids in the U.S. declare: "WARNING, Contents May Be Hot"
    If I were buying roasted I would like an indication from the roaster when the product is at its best (I realise this depends on the consumers taste to some extent) in much the same way many wines indicate if they are better consumed immediately or matured for some time. In one of my locals, according to the packets, the "crowd pleaser" blend is fine from about day 4, but a couple of SOs that are roasted pretty lightly recommend at resting for about two weeks. No indication would require a fair bit of experimentation for a general consumer.

  43. #43
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Brisbane QLD
    Posts
    11
    Good info would be. 1. Roast date 2. Time of roast 3. Special info eg origin & COE score. 4. Storage info. & 5 BEST BETWEEN date of 6 - 28 days from roast. I also like the effort Vinitasse puts into his labels. Great to see a roaster educating customers , raises the coffee bar that little bit higher.
    Vinitasse likes this.

  44. #44
    TC
    TC is offline
    .
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    14,665
    Why not add temperature, humidity, sunrise/set and tides for the day?
    Erimus likes this.

  45. #45
    Senior Member Erimus's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2014
    Location
    Kippa-Ring Qld
    Posts
    353
    I didn't think this thread could get any sillier, but its now gone beyond all expectations.

  46. #46
    Senior Member chokkidog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    2,095
    Hi Trane,

    Roast date, best before, yep. Not sure what you mean about 'time of roast'?

  47. #47
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Brisbane QLD
    Posts
    11
    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Why not add temperature, humidity, sunrise/set and tides for the day?
    Or "picked by scantly clad vestal virgins on a full moon night between the hours of 12am and 2 am "

  48. #48
    Junior Member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Location
    Brisbane QLD
    Posts
    11
    Quote Originally Posted by chokkidog View Post
    Hi Trane,

    Roast date, best before, yep. Not sure what you mean about 'time of roast'?
    time it took for roast to complete eg the Profile.

  49. #49
    Senior Member chokkidog's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2008
    Location
    Victoria, Australia
    Posts
    2,095
    oooooooooOOOOOO! that'd be giving away some secrets!! ;-D
    Thundergod likes this.

  50. #50
    TC
    TC is offline
    .
    Join Date
    Oct 2004
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    14,665
    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Quote Originally Posted by Trane View Post
    Or "picked by scantly clad vestal virgins on a full moon night between the hours of 12am and 2 am "
    Nope. Us mere mortal roasters don't get to see that stuff. It's strictly reserved for best in show events. Also, said picking only occurs at night. That'd be 12pm-2am :P



Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •