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    Kickstarter coffee roaster

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    https://www.kickstarter.com/projects...coffee-roaster

    limited in the amount it roasts..
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    Interesting - but for that price I would rather buy a Behmor and still have $500 to buy ~40kg of beans!
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    "...drop the beans into the roaster and watch them roast – it will take between 3 – 10 minutes."

    "Each roast takes 60g of green coffee..."

    "Estimated retail: 750"

    Hhhhmmmm.....$1,500 for a low capacity and poorly tuned popper in a fancy dress that can talk to my phone.


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    I'm seeing a pimped popper. They won't sell too many at 750 quid. Dreamin'...

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    As much as i like the idea of the Hottop roasters I would question buying one of them for the amount it roasts per price. Yet seeing this being a similar price to the Hottop available secondhand yet roasting even less, it makes my decision of ever wanting to buy one of these should they make it here to Australia an easy one....

    Nice looking unit and idea but not thanks at that price regardless of how well it may roast the coffee...


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    The Roasting equivalent of Pods?

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    Looks like a very neat package but the quantity it produces per roast and at that price point is way off the mark. But I'm sure there is a market for it as many have already pledged towards their campaign.

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    got some promise

    I played with one of these at the London Coffee Festival yesterday. Yes it is just a glorified popper but does have some good features.

    - Effective chaff catcher. All the chaff goes into the jar while the beans are roasting. You then tip them out and the beans flow into the same container.
    - Minimal smell during roasting. My wife always found that a pain when I was using a popper how much the roasting smell got everywhere.
    - cool touch housing
    - effective temperature control. The app gives you feedback of the actual temperature and this tracked the programme temp accurately.
    - effective cooling of beans.

    They were doing 4 minute roasts all day long and the machine was coping fine. They have had a professional model for quite a while so they have some experience with making them.

    The negatives were the amount you can roast in one time and the price, though this unit can just be used on your kitchen bench - I wouldn't use a popper indoors because of chaff and smoke. This makes it attractive for people in flats/apartments who don't have anywhere to vent their roasting outside.

    I wouldn't buy one at full price but I am wavering at the kickstarter price. At 15x the price of a popper it's a hard sell, though living in a London flat, my current choices are this roaster or no roasting at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaveD View Post
    Interesting - but for that price I would rather buy a Behmor and still have $500 to buy ~40kg of beans!
    Errr.... that would be more like $1200 of beans and a Behmor!
    (750 pound = $1500 plus shipping plus 5% duty plus 10% GST = a bloody lot!)

    Javaphile and I did see this in Seattle last month, it's a great little project and the software is very nice but not at that price. At 10% of that price you would have something that was fun to play with but the profiling on this air roaster won't really translate to a drum style roaster so then it has no real purpose.

    Nice to see people having a crack though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anthorien View Post
    limited in the amount it roasts..
    Yeah, this is the biggest issue. 60g green, drops to 55-ish grams brown - that's 3 double shots worth
    You'd be roasting every coffee break!

    That profiling looks cool though…

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    3 minutes to roast, 7? days to degas. You'll have little jars of coffee all over the place

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    Yeah they don't mention aging at all... which is odd.

    To be honest I can see this as more of a toy for those already in the specialty coffee industry rather than a genuine "home roaster". For example, I can see the appeal for small-medium coffee roasters who are looking for a more convenient way to do sample roasting, or as a great tool for green bean importers to take with them while traveling. In both cases all you are looking for is a cupping sample (so 60g is perfect), and what you care about most is consistency.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trentski View Post
    3 minutes to roast, 7? days to degas. You'll have little jars of coffee all over the place
    OR.... Thinking laterally ..just throw the daily roast into the grinder hopper which already has 7 days worth of previously roasted beans in.
    such that the beans you grind have been aged 7 days in the hopper !
    repeat the roast and hopper addition each time you have ground 50+ gms ?

    Of course there is nothing to stop you doing 2-4 or 10 roasts at one and storing them as you would from any other roaster.
    It's a neat gadget.....just pricing itself out of the mass market,

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    I built my own temperature profiling air roaster with double the capacity and self cooling. It doesn't catch chaff, is noisy as, and looks a little agricultural. It isn't fancy or pretty, nor that easy to use, but cost significantly less than what is on offer here (which incidentally, looks quite close to some designs I put on paper a few years ago).

    Having experienced using my roaster, and the previous incarnation (a 90g capacity profile capable popper), I can't imagine spending that much cash on it. You become very concerned about wasting beans...

    That said, I can easily see how it could cost that much to provide the product, especially factoring in the development costs.

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    Pay a little bit more and get the forthcoming Aillio Bullet which can do a kilo, easy choice for me....

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    ...which also doesn't exist... It's a little like the Aillio Santa at the moment! At SCAA last month they had a model of one, not a working prototype... a shell with pretty lights that had never cooked a bean.

    I suggest corking your excitement until they have something that roasts coffee and then you can determine if it roasts a kilo or if that kilo is as good as it could be. This of course isn't even considering regional certification and safety standards testing of which a few "coming soon" roasters won't go close to passing.

    There is a flood of vapourware at the moment, please hold onto your hard earned until you get past the barrage of marketing fluff and pretty CAD based models.
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    Agreed Andy.

    We've taken the risk and parted with our $$$ for a pre-order Bullet and hope something arrives sometime around the time they say it will.

    Regardless of how good it is, it will need to pass electrical certification (read get a whole pile of cash, a few roasters, a stack of time and say goodbye to the lot).

    It will be good if it can deliver what it can promise. I'm happy to take the risk on behalf of CS and will let members know if/when.

    I cannot see any scenario which would allow for sale of these roasters in Australia for quite some time.

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    my popcorn popper does the same job cost me seven bucks from the salvos!

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    Kickstarter coffee roaster

    Good to hear the inside industry views on these things! As a regular punter all I see is the pretty marketing fluff...

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    I really dig the design of making popcorn popper style roasting usable indoors (though I didn't notice a smoke supression system like in the Behmor?), and being able to set profiles on your phone was cool, though I always dislike being dependant on future app support from a company that may no longer exist in order to access functionality on electronics - you phone gets updated and no longer supports the app and they don't exist anymore to fix it? no thanks.
    I can't believe the price that they are targeting though. It's 10x the price that its worth.

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    It looks like a nifty little device but, as others have said, it's way overpriced. Amazingly they have reached their Kickstarter goal of 80,000, so I guess it's a goer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomsond@gmail.com View Post
    I wouldn't buy one at full price but I am wavering at the kickstarter price. At 15x the price of a popper it's a hard sell, though living in a London flat, my current choices are this roaster or no roasting at all.
    Just remember that on KS, you're not purchasing as much as placing a bet on the success of the project.

    If you want to see what happens when it goes the other way, check out the ZPM Nocturn.
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    ...and it has been successfully funded. It's going to be interesting to see what people have to say about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragunov21 View Post
    Just remember that on KS, you're not purchasing as much as placing a bet on the success of the project.

    If you want to see what happens when it goes the other way, check out the ZPM Nocturn.
    The Zpm was and is a nightmare.
    I believe they were bought out and now the company is called Decent Espresso with machines planning to go out in 2016 to the backers that took the risk with Zpm a few years back.

    /end off topic/

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    Quote Originally Posted by kopigeek View Post
    The Zpm was and is a nightmare.
    I believe they were bought out and now the company is called Decent Espresso with machines planning to go out in 2016 to the backers that took the risk with Zpm a few years back.
    /
    Do you have a reference to confirm that the ZPM backers will be getting supplied by DE ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by blend52 View Post
    Do you have a reference to confirm that the ZPM backers will be getting supplied by DE ?
    Second last paragraph of this article is where I read it. Whether it's true is another story.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/03/ma...owdfunder.html

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    But the final paragraph kills that idea.
    DE is a separate project with a different espresso concept, and no obligations to ZPM backers !
    ..but yes.. Enough of this off topic.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Quote Originally Posted by Anthorien View Post
    ...and it has been successfully funded. It's going to be interesting to see what people have to say about it.
    Are you talking about the Nocturn, or the roaster here?

    If the former, you might want to check out that link of kopigeek's.



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