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    Roast depth on Beanbay beans?

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    I've tried searching but can't find an answer. For the roasted beans on beanbay, how do I find out to what depth they are roasted?

    Alternatively, is it possible to specify it when ordering, eg half way through first crack?

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    btw I tried putting this in the Beanby Banter section but I couldn't start a new post in there for some reason.

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    I don't think you can specify where the roast level will be unless you develop a commercial arrangement with Andy to roast specific volumes to your specs.
    If you are just looking to buy a small amount of roasted, then the level of the roast will be whatever Andy has worked out to be best for the particular bean/blend in his professional opinion.
    As a general rule, I'd say you're looking at beans that are dropped before 2nd crack, but beyond that you might need to ask Andy directly.
    Best way to contact him is by email (andy@....) as he does not always spot questions in threads and has the PM function disabled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fatboy_1999 View Post
    Best way to contact him is by email (andy@....) as he does not always spot questions in threads and has the PM function disabled.
    Correction, the best way to contact Andy is via the Contact Us link at the bottom of every page.


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    Ok, the commercial arrangement bit makes sense but are you saying Andy really doesn't advertise the roast levels of his roasted beans??? Surely it must be there somewhere.

    Every other commercial coffee has at least light/medium/dark on it? How many people will go to the trouble of actually contacting the manufacturer to get an answer to such an obvious question.

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    Well, I disagree that 'every other commercial coffee has at least light/medium/dark on it', but regardless I think you get more from the descriptors used for the beans in question than just looking at a roast level.

    I don't think the roast depth will tell you too much unless you are very well acquainted with the bean/blend in question.

    What information are you actually after?
    What does knowing the roast depth tell you personally?
    I'm not trying to be a smart-a%$# here, it is a genuine question.
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    Fair question fat boy but I'd rather put that question in a separate thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFreddofrog View Post

    Every other commercial coffee has at least light/medium/dark on it?
    Nope. Some do, some don't.


    Quote Originally Posted by MrFreddofrog View Post
    How many people will go to the trouble of actually contacting the manufacturer to get an answer to such an obvious question.
    Who knows? Many don't need / want to ask that question, as alternate information is available. Rather than advise on attributes which don't mean that much when considered in isolation, Beanbay offers more useful advice, such as:

    "For those that drink their espresso with milk you will love the balance of this in even the tallest of cups."

    "In the cup this washed (but not polished) coffee produces great smooth/creamy body with a long mid-palate profile and a slight caramel sweet after-taste. Great as a single origin espresso with or without milk. "

    In my experience, the roasted BeanBay beans I have received have been in the CS9-CS10 range (the Decaf is darker....but that's not necessarily to do with roast depth).
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    Given that Andy (and many of our Site Sponsors) have won several significant awards for their efforts over the years, I'm happy to trust what ever Andy reckons is the best way to roast any particular bean.

    Have also found that Andy's tasting notes for the various beans on offer, have also been right on the mark...

    Don't know what else you need...

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    For the roasted beans on beanbay, how do I find out to what depth they are roasted?
    They are roasted to the depth I think each blend works best based on long time experience with each blend we offer roasted. We have never used "light / medium / dark" as it means nothing if you don't know the profile that something was roasted to. I could "scorch" a bean to "medium" roasted by using a bad profile or "bake" a bean to the same colour resulting in totally different flavours so grading by colour is ambiguous at best.

    If I buy pizza, I trust the maker to cook it how he likes it, it will either suit me or it won't.

    As mentioned above, if you want something "halfway through first crack" you will be the only person that orders it that way (this decade) and will have to organise (via the contact us link below, not in public) a pre-paid, custom roast with a 12kg minimum quantity... or buy green beans and roast your own... that way you get EXACTLY what you want, when you want and in the quantities you want.


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    Yeah ok, that actually makes sense though in my defence, millions of coffee drinkers base their coffee purchasing decision based on roast level. That's why big coffee companies advertise it on their packaging and why I incorrectly assumed it would be in the beanbay description.

    One thing I'm now confused about is this "best roast" concept. The other day I did a light roast which my friend liked but I didn't. When I dark roasted the same beans it was the opposite. From that I concluded there is no one best way to roast any particular bean, it just depends on your taste.

    That seemed like a logical conclusion to me but maybe it's not that simple. Anyone care to explain this best roast concept. Surely it just depends on your individual taste?

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    While Light/Medium/Dark are a description of the roast end point. The "Cracks" and their timing are a consequence of the roast profile overall, not necessarily a good indication or description of the required end point. Although it is often referred to as a gauge on the forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrFreddofrog View Post
    Yeah ok, that actually makes sense though in my defence, millions of coffee drinkers base their coffee purchasing decision based on roast level. That's why big coffee companies advertise it on their packaging and why I incorrectly assumed it would be in the beanbay description.
    I guess the give away is that millions of coffee drinkers consume Nescafe Blend 43

    With respect to the 'best roast' concept, there isn't a really simple explanation, and yes, individual taste does come into it to some extent. But, the range of flavours that people come to recognise as attaching to their favourite coffees result from chemical changes within the bean. And the speed at which those reactions occur, when they start, whether you let them finish etc all matter. And heaps of other stuff
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    I've previously done two small roast batches. One was roasted on 100% heat for 8mins too a really dark "roast level/depth". The other on a lower heat profile that took 14mins to the exact same really dark "roast level/depth". One I couldn't even bare to drink the other was amazing. "Roast level/depth" means tiddly squat for what it's going to taste like. I honestly don't see how one can read the descriptions written about the beans on beanbay and still require more information!?



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