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    Full strength milk please

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    Sorry not sure how to put a link that you can just click.

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    Funny thing is the calf's get the skim milk to FATTEN UP yet we are marketed it to slim down.
    I Prefer 20-30% cream milk Mmmm
    (source mums life on farm)

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    Bit of a storm in a coffee cup really, and yet another example of mainstream media relying on social media for their 'stories'. There's been a couple of articles written about that over here recently, all since that infamous note was left in the LCC cafe. For a cafe that can do 30% or more of its milk coffee sales in trim/skim it can make good commercial sense to offer the option. But some places are as low as 5% and end up throwing out trim milk as it gets used so little.
    I haven't been into either C1 or Lyttelton Coffee Co for years and I'd be interested to know if either of them offer soy milk as an option. As we all know soy is an even more inferior option than trim, but I guess it's still on the menu as people could have dietary and health reasons for drinking it.

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    Good on them.

    Bar Italia in Leichhardt has a sign up saying "No skim, no soy, no decaf".

    Hear hear.
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    They're clearly so wealthy (or was that arrogant?) that they can turn away potential customers.

    I hope they have extra staff on hand to help load the barrows full of cash into the boots of their fleet of Ferraris.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    They're clearly so wealthy (or was that arrogant?) that they can turn away potential customers.

    I hope they have extra staff on hand to help load the barrows full of cash into the boots of their fleet of Ferraris.


    Probably Maloo Utes.......

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    Seems to be owner changed to 15L stainless steel drums for his milk (to save all the plastic waste) and couldn't get trim.


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    "Lyttelton [Coffee Company], they do their thing. Clearly when you go in there it's a community coffee shop in a unique community. To go in there and demand it becomes something that it's not, I don't think is reasonable."

    Seems fair enough to me - if they want to prioritize serving a quality product in a certain way over mass-market appeal, that's their choice. Not everyone is in small business to get rich

    Reminds me of the kerfuffle over Huxtaburger not offering a vegetarian burger - as a vegetarian at the time, I just didn't go there - no problem!

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    If they want trim milk so bad, be unique and take your milk with you, like a mate does with rice milk.

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    Neither LCC or C1 have wealthy or arrogant owners. They have both been very successful in a very small and actually quite crowded market. They are both high quality boutique roasters/specialty coffee cafes. They are both surrounded by plenty of alternatives so if it's really important to people they can just go down the road. It's about where to draw the line I guess and I don't see why they can't choose as a small business to draw the line above trim milk, especially when there's no health or dietary reasons for people to choose it, just personal taste. It's only because it's so much the norm that people think it's strange when they can t get it, but I'm sure if you go back far enough you'll find a reality existed before trim milk was an option.

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    Yes- it's 100% their choice to turn customers and revenue away.

    5/11 theory of marketing. If you're happy, you may tell 5, but if you are unhappy, you will likely tell 11. Bet they get plenty of 11.

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    While he clearly believes that full cream milk is better its not like his model would allow for the use of trim milk or that he has it on hand but through arrogance he refuses to use it. If a business doesn't have a product you cant be upset. I don't expect the local fast food shop to have Chateaubriand even though they could technically make it. Its not on the menu so I move on. I personally like trim because i find its less overpowering to the flavor however I'm happy enough with a good coffee with full cream or I have it short.
    I think most people are reasonable enough to see it for what it is. I also think that someone that makes a stand for the environment over just chasing every dollar would gain a lot of respect from the customers. He appears to have a good core customer group. If your filling the seats with happy people, does it matter if some people don't like your business model.

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    I once worked at a fine dining restaurant where the chef's credo was "If you want to eat and drink our way, please take a seat. If you want to eat and drink your way, please stay home"

    It worked... full house most nights
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    Quote Originally Posted by simonko View Post
    Seems to be owner changed to 15L stainless steel drums for his milk (to save all the plastic waste) and couldn't get trim.
    (great video link, tells the story better than the noise on social media)

    Okay, so the real story here for me is how this bloke gets away with using RAW MILK.
    ...good luck doing that in AU without making the news as a kiddy killer.

    ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy View Post
    (great video link, tells the story better than the noise on social media)

    Okay, so the real story here for me is how this bloke gets away with using RAW MILK.
    ...good luck doing that in AU without making the news as a kiddy killer.

    ;-)
    He doesn't mention whether it's pasteurised.

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    Is he definitely using raw? I only heard non-homogenised mentioned.

    Looking at new Mar 2016 regs, raw milk can be bought in NZ, just not onsold, so I'd hope he's not using raw.

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    Ultimately it's up to the venue to decide their 'recipe' for what they serve.

    In this case they feel their product is compromised when made with an inferior ingredient.

    Send the complainers off to McCafe. They are like the vegans who turn up at the local steakhouse and whinge the roof off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    They're clearly so wealthy (or was that arrogant?) that they can turn away potential customers.

    I hope they have extra staff on hand to help load the barrows full of cash into the boots of their fleet of Ferraris.
    In the case of bar Italia, they've been there since espresso was virtually unknown in this country, and have stuck to their guns ever since.

    You won't find soy hazelnut whipped cream frappucinos on the menu.

    That's the whole point of why people go there. There's a zillion other places selling the other nonsense.

    http://decafsucks.com/cafes/1006-bar-italia

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    Full strength milk please

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Yes- it's 100% their choice to turn customers and revenue away.

    5/11 theory of marketing. If you're happy, you may tell 5, but if you are unhappy, you will likely tell 11. Bet they get plenty of 11.
    Soooo, a bit like how you refuse to sell let's say..... Quamar grinders even though they represent excellent value for money. I guess it's an easy decision to make while there's not much demand for them.

    Even though I've only been to Lyttelton Coffee Co Cafe twice and not for some time, I know they have a great reputation and I don't think this will hurt them at all. Lyttelton is a bit like West End in Brisbane - lots of music venues, people who work in the arts. The cafe is a perfect fit.
    And no Andy, the milk isn't raw, just non-homogenised. Beautiful taste, but I've been using similar at home recently and it's challenging so I don't envy their baristas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by herzog View Post
    You won't find soy hazelnut whipped cream frappucinos on the menu.
    Thank god for that.

    Quote Originally Posted by LeroyC View Post
    Soooo, a bit like how you refuse to sell let's say..... Quamar grinders even though they represent excellent value for money.
    You might think that, but for me they don't. They're cheap, but failed the bang for buck index on quality of finish in more than one area.

    Back to the topic of discussion- There are good low fat milk options and good soy. Commendable that they're using good milk and minimising packaging. It's their choice to reject potential customers and income.

    This discussion reminds me a little of a Melbourne mob: "We don't do soy because it won't work with our coffee (...cue lemons/vegetal). We don't do decaf because..." Perhaps they forgot how to roast for milk and perhaps they haven't tried Andy's Decaf Wow.

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    I've been using raw milk for coffees at home for a few years now, easy to micro foam, and just tastes so much better than the boiled down watery stuff they sell in the supermarket.

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    Your up early Talk Coffee, isn't it some thing like 3 am over there, or are you still getting over the cricket. Sorry about that, couldn't resit it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    There are good low fat milk options and good soy.
    You might think that, but for me there's not. They taste awful and ruin good coffee.

    Also I'd like to buy a Quamar Q50 Chris. Do you not have any in stock? I had a laugh!!
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    and good soy.
    Soy belongs in stir fry, not coffee.

    In all seriousness though, people wouldn't walk into a quality French patisserie and ask for the pastries made with Becel margarine. Or "I can't believe it's not butter".

    So why should they be shocked when a quality coffee joint chooses to only offer high quality full cream milk?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logga View Post
    I've been using raw milk for coffees at home for a few years now, easy to micro foam, and just tastes so much better than the boiled down watery stuff they sell in the supermarket.
    ... and therein lies half the reason - some / most NZ milk still (lucky SOB's) tastes like it came from a cow. So does some South Oz and a few small farm outlets in the West. Sadly, some of NSW's best dairy cattle are just south of Sydney (my birth place), and every farmer there is on a contract which prevents them selling some of the best Jersey and Guernsey milk in Oz. After the factories remove a huge percentage of the cream (close to 90% taken in the case of Guernsey) they sell the watery remnant to consumers in supermarkets. I cannot understand how "full cream milk" that has plainly been stripped of cream can be misrepresented & marketed that way. Every time I visit I take some of their raw / pasteurised up to the (Sydney) smoke to get a decent cuppa.

    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Back to the topic of discussion- There are good low fat milk options and good soy. Commendable that they're using good milk and minimising packaging. It's their choice to reject potential customers and income.

    This discussion reminds me a little of a Melbourne mob: "We don't do soy because it won't work with our coffee (...cue lemons/vegetal). We don't do decaf because..." Perhaps they forgot how to roast for milk and perhaps they haven't tried Andy's Decaf Wow.
    Soy milk: Ever since Diary Farmers got hold of NSW milk (early '60's at [say] Unanderra, when world class / top quality Jersey milk turned to white water for the public over there), even WA's "fresian white paint" milk is superior to any I could get in Sydney. From such a low base no wonder these "alternatives" are acceptable. A "lactic acid allergic" friend over here tried every soy on the market just trying to get one that did not clash with the flavour of coffee. After a couple of years they settled on espresso. I was unfortunate enough to try some of the "better ones" - turned any quality roast into Maxwell House' best...

    Trim milk: Yep, some of them are as bad as that strange white liquid in a blue waxed carton. Anyone who can tolerate the latter could be capable of accepting the former.

    Oh, in my case it is nothing to do with your beloved "...cue lemons/vegetal" thing, and I actually will do a good decaf (they exist).

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    Quote Originally Posted by TampIt View Post
    ... and therein lies half the reason - some / most NZ milk still (lucky SOB's) tastes like it came from a cow. So does some South Oz and a few small farm outlets in the West. Sadly, some of NSW's best dairy cattle are just south of Sydney (my birth place), and every farmer there is on a contract which prevents them selling some of the best Jersey and Guernsey milk in Oz.
    Sounds like the same area I could get raw milk straight from the dairy, but even that had to stop a few years ago - I think someone reported them. Never tried it with coffee because it felt like a waste not to drink it straight. Highland Organics unhomogenised (but pasteurised) is the closest non-raw I've found to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Talk_Coffee View Post
    Thank god for that.



    You might think that, but for me they don't. They're cheap, but failed the bang for buck index on quality of finish in more than one area.

    Back to the topic of discussion- There are good low fat milk options and good soy. Commendable that they're using good milk and minimising packaging. It's their choice to reject potential customers and income.

    This discussion reminds me a little of a Melbourne mob: "We don't do soy because it won't work with our coffee (...cue lemons/vegetal). We don't do decaf because..." Perhaps they forgot how to roast for milk and perhaps they haven't tried Andy's Decaf Wow.
    On topic but sort of off topic, there's no good low fat milk or soy milk because all of it is highly processed and screws you up. If your going to have milk with your coffee have it with full fat milk and add cream to it as well it tastes sooooo much better.

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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Which is still "highly processed"...

    Low fat doesn't taste as good because it has less fat.



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