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    My Profitec Arrived

    Gene Cafe Coffee Roaster $850 - Free Beans Free Freight
    Yay.
    Now all i need is alot of coffee. And.. roaster maybe.



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    VERY nice! Now... enjoy!

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    Very nice machine Pasic, nothing like the thrill of a new toy, not to mention great coffee.

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    Cheers, not sure why the protective film has been removed. Also portafilter has scraches on it.
    Surely new is not like this?

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    Well, I imagine it's been bench tested which would explain the removal of the film... the PF looks like surface scratching which could occur in transit or the factory - wouldn't bother me, but you could always ask the retailer.

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    Awesome!! Get a behmor or corretto and start roasting, you will have a complete package!

    Weird about the scratches. Looks like it was touching something during transport and was vibrating against something.

    Cheers

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    Would bother me mate, get em to replace the PF, should have been inspected prior to shipping.
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    I wouldn't be happy with that scratching. You don't pay that kind of money for scratches. It is the retailers responsibility to ensure it gets to you in new condition, you shouldn't have to accept damaged goods.

    Liken it to a car - Would you be happy with scratches like that on the bonnet of a new car?

    Cheers Yabba
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    Yeah im not worried about it too much (the scratch). But how do i know this isnt demo model?

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    Going back to your original post, I agree that you need a roaster!
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    If it's a demo model, you'll probably be able to tell from the seal and shower screen.

    I'd get the portafilter replaced if it were mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    If it's a demo model, you'll probably be able to tell from the seal and shower screen.

    I'd get the portafilter replaced if it were mine.
    Replaced with like aftermarket one or due because little scraches?
    I asked if they had bottomless but they dont carry in stock

    Is there any specific one i need or any e61 will work?

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    Due to the scratches. These portafilters are great (well I think so).
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    nice looking machine! hopefully you get the portafilter situation sorted out. Just out of curiosity, what's your grinder?

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    That is a Wega 8.0, re-badged Compak K8 Fresh.

    Ill have pull out old canon Mkiii for few proper pics hah

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    Speak to the supplier about your concern. They should replace it or do something for you if you want to keep it? You could cut it into a naked?

    Otherwise the cafelat PF available here is great as a naked (or double).

    Cheers

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    Definitely go for a roaster. Seeing as there is 3.5 hours left of today, i recommend a Has Garanti 60kg roaster which you should be able to buy at Cash Converters for around $40.
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    The ECM naked pf is a work of art and works well with the Profitec (sister companies)
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    I can't comment on the naked. Just can't bring myself to drop the cash on it.

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    I recently purchased the ECM naked PF and it's a ripper. I love the heavy weight of ECM portafilters, so that's why i went genuine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melbroaster View Post
    Definitely go for a roaster. Seeing as there is 3.5 hours left of today, i recommend a Has Garanti 60kg roaster which you should be able to buy at Cash Converters for around $40.

    It would be purely to bring back old memories. I grew up in small town in croatia and few houses away was coffee / pastry place. I could smell coffee (getting roasted) every now and then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pasic View Post

    It would be purely to bring back old memories.
    Think you'll get a little more from that roaster mate...
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    The cafelat one feels hefty and is quality stainless.

    i originally made my first machine naked to examine my pours and now use naked exclusively. much cleaner/mess free (no drips moving to knock box) and a quick wipe of the basket and its clean.

    cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yelta View Post
    Would bother me mate, get em to replace the PF, should have been inspected prior to shipping.
    As one Profitec owner to another,speak to the supplier and get it replaced with a genuine Profitec. I don't believe for a second that any reputable supplier would be happy to know his machine left the shop in that condition.
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    I couldn't agree more. ECM PFs are amazing.
    Blood amazing quality. Prior to having my naked PF, i would generally just split my 16g double shots and often drop one off the side, now i just man up and have the lot from the naked! I love how easy they are to clean too, easy to clean the bottom of the basket with water from grouphead and much easier to tamp flat on the bench.

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    So they look nice, sure. They feel nice in the hand. But is it really worth the cost of entry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by readeral View Post
    So they look nice, sure. They feel nice in the hand. But is it really worth the cost of entry?
    "Worth" is such an individual concept. I loved the ECM naked PF so much that I kept it when I changed machine to the Linea Mini (despite having bought a La Marzocco naked).
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    OK guys we get the picture, awesome, amazing, incredible, work of art, just in case you feel the need for more superlatives here's a list of some you may care to use.

    :excellent, magnificent, wonderful, glorious, marvellous, brilliant, supreme, consummate, outstanding, prodigious, dazzling, remarkable, formidable, fine, choice, sterling, first-rate, first-class, of the first water, of the first order, of the highest order, premier, prime, unsurpassed, unequalled, unparalleled, unrivalled, unbeatable, peerless, matchless, singular, unique, transcendent, best, greatest, worthiest, pre-eminent, perfect, faultless, flawless;
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    What did you love about the pre-eminent portafilter? (Thanks for the poetic input Yelta).

    I've used a naked (alas not an ECM) when I was learning, borrowed from a mate, and I found it helpful enough at the time, but I struggle to justify $130 for something that letting both spouts fall into my cup achieves. Unless coffee from a naked tastes better? I'd need a fair bit of convincing of that, given I keep my portafilters clean. Is it $130 of awesome, or not?

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    I had a prodigious Rancilio portafilter machined into a nekid many moons ago, the outcome was quite remarkable, that is, until the novelty wore off, now I'm back to using the two unparalleled chrome plated brass potafilters that came with the Bezzera, I reckon the coffee they produce is outstanding.
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    Interesting how we all have our preferences. I made a naked years ago as a novelty and to check my extraction. I have used a naked exclusively since, I find it easier to keep clean, less messy (no random drips from spouts when moving from machine to knock box) and I also love the pour p0rn!

    Long term plan is to get matching timber handles, knobs, tamper etc.

    Cheers
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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Interesting how we all have our preferences. I made a naked years ago as a novelty and to check my extraction. I have used a naked exclusively since, I find it easier to keep clean, less messy (no random drips from spouts when moving from machine to knock box) and I also love the pour p0rn!

    Long term plan is to get matching timber handles, knobs, tamper etc.

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    Your right, personal preferences.

    Like you, love the look of custom timber accessories, however as a portafilter handle would worry me, I wash my PF after each use and frequent immersion in hot water ain't such a good thing for wood, guess they can always be replaced if the deteriorate.

    Recently bought a LaPavoni with a wooden PF handle and knobs, watching it closely.

    As an afterthought, I have a Reg Barber tamper with a Bubinga wood handle, have been using it multiple times daily for over 10 years, it's developed a wonderful patina, feels almost sensual in the hand.

    Also have a Pullman with a wooden handle for the Pav, sadly it has some sort of protective coating, wont develop a patina no matter how much use it gets.
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    I thought the Pullman's come with a Danish oil coating, and that's all. Maybe something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shortblackman View Post
    I thought the Pullman's come with a Danish oil coating, and that's all. Maybe something else?
    You may well be right SBM, I believe Danish oil act as a sealer as well as highlighting timber grain, whatever is used certainly makes it resistant to absorbing other oils, tried some light furniture oil on my Pullman handle the other day, it just sat on the surface for about 12 hrs until I wiped it dry, no big deal, its a nice looking timber grain as it is.
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    yep pullman tampers have danish oil as the seal. looks and works a treat!

    cheers

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    I couldn't give a subjective opinion for Naked PF for shot quality, but as iv said the things I really like are

    -easy to clean
    -easy to diagnose any issues with the shot
    -looks awesome
    -easier to tamp due to flat surface
    -ability to run 20+g basket

    Considering my set up was around $4k, what's another $100
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    They certainly are easier to clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic_Matt View Post
    Well, I imagine it's been bench tested which would explain the removal of the film... the PF looks like surface scratching which could occur in transit or the factory - wouldn't bother me, but you could always ask the retailer.
    Hmm, looking now on the desktop that is a bit worse than I thought...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauly404 View Post
    I couldn't agree more. ECM PFs are amazing. See my pic
    Yep, that's [insert superlative here] alright!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Interesting how we all have our preferences. I made a naked years ago as a novelty and to check my extraction. I have used a naked exclusively since, I find it easier to keep clean, less messy (no random drips from spouts when moving from machine to knock box) and I also love the pour p0rn!

    Long term plan is to get matching timber handles, knobs, tamper etc.

    Cheers
    I looked into timber knobs. But 170usd bit too much. Loooks sooo good.

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    Im new to latte art "hobby" and my limited experience and pursuit to a perfect shot is... wanting me buy bottomless portafilter. Hopefully this will teach me on how to be more consistent.
    The ECM one, to me looks like a higher quality unit. Handle looks less plasticy. From pictures alone I had a laugh.
    That plus knowing it will work with profitect unlike no name one in my opinion is worth exta 40$. 😆

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    Have a read of Koffeekosmo's guide here to frothing milk to get the microfoam. Then search YouTube for verve coffee latte art video, I have found it excellent.

    Cheers
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    Practise they said. Haha
    I find it i need different technique with 4 hole tip. Im used to entry level machines with single hole where it takes 4x longer to get the milk to temp.


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    I myself was thinking of eventually buying the cafelat naked/double spout protafilter as then I can use it still as a double protafilter that can fit a larger precision basket when I get one or as a naked.

    My intention for the this was that I can mainly produce two single shot, milk based coffees that aren't too small or weak (or a nice strong large double shot mug size). So I was thinking maybe 20 or 22gm basket. Therefore, I think the cafelat is a great idea and compromise for this sort of scenario and have heard (as mentioned above) they are good quality.

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    Practicing milk is a PITA that's for sure.

    The best advice I ever got was to make sure I was resting my steam wand down the spout of the jug, and off to the side, just to make sure that I could always return the jug to the same spot for consistency. Once I learned where the point was that I could roll my milk, I'd always know how to get back there, and it was just a case of making sure I didn't bring in air too late or make any other rookie errors.

    With your 4 hole, if you have the tip on an angle, the two 'deepest' holes will be delivering that heat and spinning the milk down below while you're stretching with your other two (if they're both near the surface). It means that your 'window' for stretching becomes quite small (like literally 2 seconds) because unlike your single hole, you're getting both heat and air concurrently.

    I have only a two hole on my ECM, so can't speak specifically to your machine, but I was working with a 4 hole on a takeaway coffee cart over summer.

    People (not you, but generally) seem to think that steaming milk is all about the air introduction. I'd argue that's not true, despite introducing air being vital to the process. It's all about getting it to ROLL properly. You've got to start steaming and rolling at once. On a gutsy machine like this, if you haven't found the rolling point right from the beginning, no matter how hard you try your consistency will be off.

    I recommend trying to stick to:
    - Initially not worrying about how much air you're introducing (might seem counterintuitive)
    - Try to consistently only introduce air only in the first 2-2.5 seconds
    - Most of all focus on getting the milk rolling for the rest of the time

    Once you're consistently hitting that smooth consistency in your milk with some foam, no bubbles visible once you're done etc., then you can start to consider how much foam do you really want, and how might you make changes to get there. Is 2 seconds giving me too much, too little? You might find that you want to introduce a big 'gulp' (best word I could come up with) of air which you can start rolling straight away while you introduce just a little bit more as the milk keeps rolling on. The risk is that you can't get it all broken down throughout the jug, or that you introduce too much, but might be an approach for you to take. You might decide you'd like to introduce just little bits over a 5 second period. Find what works, but always make sure your goal is to incorporate it.

    With these techniques under my belt, here's where I'm up to after 6 months on a prosumer: https://www.instagram.com/p/BDgqnHazWvD/ scroll back through my Instagram feed though, and you'll see many a poorly made flat white from poorly steamed milk. In almost all cases, the issue was that foam wasn't incorporated by rolling it on.

    All the best with it. Cheers.
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    Don't forget you can use water with one drop of dishwashing liquid to simulate steaming milk.

    Cheers

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    Picked up ECM bottomless.

    It doesnt align like profitec







    Also while missus was there i asked her to purchase "Espro" 38.35mm preset tamper.

    I looked at the tamper and went WTF. It even doesnt measure up 38mm as claimed. 37.5

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    Quote Originally Posted by artman View Post
    Don't forget you can use water with one drop of dishwashing liquid to simulate steaming milk.

    Cheers
    No i didnt know that cheers will try.

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    Here is the thread from KK:

    Some tricks for creating great microfoam
    http://coffeesnobs.com.au/showthread.php?t=26896

    Bugger about the PF. Must have thicker lugs? Or is it the height of the ridge the basket sits on. Or both?

    I was a bit confused with the measurements until I realised you swapped the first digits to a 3. You would generally want a tamper larger than 58.0 to give a snug fit, but obviously that depends on your basket.

    Cheers
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    Behmor Brazen - $249 - Free Freight
    Not trying to be a smart arse, however steaming milk has never seemed difficult to me, I've owned a few machines over the years and it's never presented a problem'

    Yep I do a pretty fair job of it.

    Perhaps all of the money I spent in cafes, watching steaming techniques paid off.
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